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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 15:36:30 GMT
Can you actually tell who voted from where? I could only see a map of the UK.
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Post by michael on Mar 21, 2019 15:36:31 GMT
How many of the 1m are from abroad? From a tweet 2 hours ago:
The 'Revoke Article 50' Petition has signatures from: 506 Denmark 263 Luxembourg 995 Canada 139 Cyprus 3126 Germany 7156 France 310 Greece 402 Hong Kong 1191 Rep Ireland 783 Italy 239 Japan 3987 Spain + Signatures from Vatican City, North Korea, South Sudan & the 'Western Sahara'
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 15:40:19 GMT
Oooh...it's being hacked by dastardly forriners trying to subvert the will of the 52%.
20,000 out of 1,040,000 are from that awful place known as "abroad"! It's an outrage.
Most likely the majority are from people like my father and sister who live abroad but, by virtue of being British, are perfectly entitled to sign the petition. And who frankly shouldn't have been disenfranchised in the first place.
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Post by michael on Mar 21, 2019 15:44:53 GMT
I agree the foreign signatories will be likely inconsequential compared to the number of people who have signed it multiple times in the UK. Then again, unlike the referendum this isn't even advisory.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 15:53:05 GMT
No but it does suggest that claiming Brexit is the will of the British people is a lie. Let's not forget this is 1m signatures in less than 24hrs.
It refuses to let me sign it a second time - I think I'd need to use another email address.
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Post by michael on Mar 21, 2019 15:58:57 GMT
Unfortunately it does nothing of the sort. It demonstrates that the will of some people is to remain. Until it gets over 17.4million verifiably independent registrants it'll add nothing to the debate or help find a solution to the situation.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 16:04:00 GMT
Well let's see.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 21, 2019 16:11:09 GMT
As I said earlier it'd really need around 18 million signatures to be considered seriously and I hope it does - I've signed it but I'd need a VPN to sign again. The signatures from abroad will be largely British citizens but I do like the thought of Jean Claude Junker staying up all night and repeatedly voting.
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Post by michael on Mar 21, 2019 16:28:03 GMT
I've signed it twice. Once on the computer and once on the phone. You do need two emails. Realistically I don't think parliament will revoke article 50 but I do think it could get the deal over the line. I do also wonder if the EU will allow an extension subject to a second vote on either the deal or no deal.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 17:19:18 GMT
Well so far based on our small straw poll, its 20% for MMD and 80% for No Deal. That's fairly unequivocal.
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Post by michael on Mar 21, 2019 17:23:59 GMT
I don't think there will be a no deal right away. I think we're on course for an election which Corbyn will win and we'll all then be more fucked than any no deal scenario can come up with.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 21, 2019 17:31:39 GMT
In that case, Corbyn will not have won an election. May will have lost it. She and Brexit have shredded the credibility of the Tory Party to such an extent that a man, who as noted by Martin Wolf in the FT "thinks the UK was on the wrong side of the Cold War", is actually in with a shot of becoming PM.
If Corbyn becomes PM, then voting for Brexit in the referendum of 2016 will prove to have been the ultimate enabler of that.
As ever in life, be very careful what you wish for.
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Post by johnc on Mar 21, 2019 17:33:02 GMT
I really can't see what a GE has got to do with Brexit. It's the only thing that Corbyn is interested in and it's his answer to every question. I have some pretty die in the wool labour friends and even they don't want to vote for Corbyn. However we might see some kind of coalition again with Chukka in there somewhere.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Mar 21, 2019 18:42:34 GMT
Oooh...it's being hacked by dastardly forriners trying to subvert the will of the 52%. Yawn.
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Post by Stuntman on Mar 21, 2019 19:54:18 GMT
Racing is jesting surely, Stu. After all, we all kno dat a posh loyyer can spell forriners coreckly.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 21, 2019 23:51:42 GMT
2.2M at 2350 on 21st March.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 0:44:01 GMT
Yes, that's over 1m signatures in 9 hours.
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Post by Ben on Mar 22, 2019 3:07:24 GMT
Even if it is revoked, is it too late? It looks like France is saying GTFO, we don't want you in here any more.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 22, 2019 6:18:58 GMT
Even if it is revoked, is it too late? It looks like France is saying GTFO, we don't want you in here any more. The boy Macron will do what his boss Merkel tells him.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 10:32:18 GMT
Over 2.8m this morning.
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Post by Eff One on Mar 22, 2019 10:38:11 GMT
Pushing 2.8 million now, despite the repeated website crashes. Quite a few MPs on Twitter saying they've been swamped with emails imploring them to vote for A50 to be revoked. It is the slenderest of hopes, but feels to me like the only one. Watching the top bods of the TUC and the CBI together on Channel 4 News was pretty chilling. They were pretty unequivocal: if we exit without a deal, we are utterly fucked.
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Post by johnc on Mar 22, 2019 11:42:27 GMT
They were pretty unequivocal: if we exit without a deal, we are utterly fucked. and if we leave with Mrs May's deal we are perhaps slightly less fucked but fucked all the same. The negotiations with the EU are the kind that in a rational world you would just walk away from and agree to disagree but the insistence that we have to leave means the EU know that they can just stand their ground (they probably have to, to enable them to maintain some kind of unity in the EU in any case). I'd love to see 18m or 19m people adding their names to that poll.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 12:41:26 GMT
Still going up...3.05m presently so still rising at around 100k per hour, which is over 1,000 per minute.
So we need another 6 days or so with no let off before you reach the 17m mark...
Unlikely but one never knows.
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Post by Eff One on Mar 22, 2019 13:43:07 GMT
I'd love to see 18m or 19m people adding their names to that poll. +1
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 14:26:07 GMT
Nearly 3.25m.
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2019 14:55:41 GMT
I think it’ll easily hit that target. Leave it running long enough and it’ll go over 100million.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 15:33:33 GMT
I think it’ll easily hit that target. Leave it running long enough and it’ll go over 100million. Not everything you disagree with is faked.
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2019 15:46:58 GMT
I think it’ll easily hit that target. Leave it running long enough and it’ll go over 100million. Not everything you disagree with is faked. What are you claiming I disagree with?
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 16:55:27 GMT
It's reasonably clear that you favour Brexit and are not much taken by the merits of this particular petition.
As such, the logical interpretation of your comment, given that (apart from anything else) the entire population of Britain and the British diaspora combined isn't much more than 70 million, is that you are suggesting that the petition result somehow isn't authentic (i.e. it is being faked to a statistically significant extent).
Which would be a somewhat unusual turn of events, given that most of the usual suspect actors in that line of work seem to heavily favour a hard Brexit.
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2019 17:09:19 GMT
Then you’re mistaken. I don’t favour Brexit at all.
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