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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 17:16:22 GMT
Then you’re mistaken. I don’t favour Brexit at all. My mistake then. But you do a pretty decent job of sounding like you do.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 17:18:39 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2019 21:27:46 GMT
Then you’re mistaken. I don’t favour Brexit at all. My mistake then. But you do a pretty decent job of sounding like you do. I disagree. I’m just not as emotional about it all and I’m trying to look at this objectively as to what can happen to get through it without ending with Corbyn . The petition, for all the good will it might create, remains quite meaningless as the obvious retort is why should that be taken into account when it seems the referendum wasn’t. Article 50 can’t be withdrawn without a political declaration and I can’t see it being supported by parliament as there are too many people there with leave seats who are terrified of getting booted out. I could more readily get behind a petition requesting May to leave office in the national interest as I think that’s the only way to unseat her (as she’s clearly a psychopath) and get someone, anyone else in with a bit more vision.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 22:25:01 GMT
My mistake then. But you do a pretty decent job of sounding like you do. The petition, for all the good will it might create, remains quite meaningless as the obvious retort is why should that be taken into account when it seems the referendum wasn’t. The referendum wasn't taken into account?
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2019 22:29:57 GMT
We didn’t leave.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 22, 2019 22:43:51 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2019 23:01:39 GMT
My point was if the A50 petition was influential we’d remain having never honoured the result of the referendum.
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Post by Tim on Mar 26, 2019 9:57:27 GMT
My mistake then. But you do a pretty decent job of sounding like you do. I’m just not as emotional about it all and I’m trying to look at this objectively as to what can happen to get through it without ending with Corbyn . In the spirit of voting for a 'No Deal' when I would rather stay in the EU, I'm starting to think that a Government led by Corbyn would be preferable to a Theresa May led Tory Government that is completely clueless apart from appearing to know that its not prepared to compromise on ANYTHING at all! *Just to be clear, I have NO wish to see Corbyn anywhere near Downing Street.....
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 27, 2019 17:47:03 GMT
In the ultimate bribe to Eurosceptics, Mrs May has announced to Tory party at meeting of 1922 Committee that she'll resign if they back her deal and get it passed. She's banking on them hoping that if she goes, they'll be able to replace her with one of their own and then row back on the withdrawal agreement towards the hard Brexit they want.
So basically it doesn't avoid hard Brexit - it simply enables Mrs May to try and wash her hands of responsibility for it.
Not really one for the National Interest is she!
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Post by johnc on Mar 27, 2019 18:16:05 GMT
Surely there will be some kind of Parliamentary backlash if a Reece Mogg (or whoever) headed Tory party tries to unpick the deal that Parliament votes for (if it happens) and move us back to a no deal?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 18:17:48 GMT
At least she gave it a go, unlike that twat Cameron.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 27, 2019 18:19:56 GMT
Well they could just play silly buggers in Brussels until they effectively got the EU to tell them to get knotted.
I wonder if it is possible for a vote of no confidence to be called during a Tory leadership campaign?
If the choice came down to two Brexit crazies (Johnson vs Raab), maybe, just maybe, enough Tory remainers would back a Labour move to unseat the government.
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Post by michael on Mar 27, 2019 19:51:15 GMT
I doubt many Conservatives would vote to bring down the government and risk Corbyn especially at the moment as getting the deal through buys more time for kicking cans down the road.
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Post by Alex on Mar 27, 2019 22:05:56 GMT
So our illustrious MPs voted down ALL eight options for Brexit tonight leaving the EU with that same old question “just what do you want?!”
This intransigence is doing no one any good and now our PM has all but signed her own death warrant. It’s a bit of a far cry from Nigel Farages assertion the Britain would be stronger if we vote leave.
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Post by Boxer6 on Mar 27, 2019 22:53:45 GMT
So our illustrious MPs voted down ALL eight options for Brexit tonight leaving the EU with that same old question “just what do you want?!” This intransigence is doing no one any good and now our PM has all but signed her own death warrant. It’s a bit of a far cry from Nigel Farages assertion the Britain would be stronger if we vote leave. I'll be damned if I can see why that man attracts all the coverage he does! He has no clear policies I can see, no decent support, no morals and no obvious courage of his convictions. Why anyone listens or pays heed to a thing that comes out of his mouth really is beyond me.
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Post by Ben on Mar 28, 2019 6:50:52 GMT
So our illustrious MPs voted down ALL eight options for Brexit tonight leaving the EU with that same old question “just what do you want?!” This intransigence is doing no one any good and now our PM has all but signed her own death warrant. It’s a bit of a far cry from Nigel Farages assertion the Britain would be stronger if we vote leave. Wow. Incredible. Maybe that should be the question asked. "Just what do you want?"
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Post by Boxer6 on Mar 28, 2019 6:53:49 GMT
So our illustrious MPs voted down ALL eight options for Brexit tonight leaving the EU with that same old question “just what do you want?!” This intransigence is doing no one any good and now our PM has all but signed her own death warrant. It’s a bit of a far cry from Nigel Farages assertion the Britain would be stronger if we vote leave. Wow. Incredible. Maybe that should be the question asked. "Just what do you want?" I suspect most of them don't actually know!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 28, 2019 8:46:29 GMT
If I was May (Theresa, not James) I'd tell them I was going to kick Brexit into the long grass for at least 5 years and provide some medium term certainty and tell the Brexiteers to come back when they have all agreed a plan that will carry House support.
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Post by Tim on Mar 28, 2019 9:59:14 GMT
I can't believe that the DUP are now effectively in charge of a section of the Tory party.
Mind you, nutters quite often come together in groups, maybe they have some form of radar that normal folk are unaware of?
The activities around May leaving and thus voting the deal through shows, again, that in the current crisis the Tories (Labour are guilty as well but we're not talking about them here) are obsessed with navel gazing and clearly don't give a shit about the 64% of us who didn't vote for them in the last election.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 28, 2019 13:44:07 GMT
Mind you, nutters quite often come together in groups, maybe they have some form of radar that normal folk are unaware of? I'll quote that old African "proverb" again: All politicians are like bananas. They're all green, hang around in bunches and there's not a straight one among them
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 28, 2019 14:40:44 GMT
Yet we voted for them to be there...
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 28, 2019 16:21:41 GMT
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Post by Tim on Mar 28, 2019 16:48:05 GMT
Ghastly rears its head again!
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Post by scouse on Mar 29, 2019 13:15:23 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 29, 2019 13:37:41 GMT
You do feel this is Boris Johnson's moment. Like his hero Churchill his career has been one disaster after another, until 1940.. This is his time to answer his country's call in its hour of need, and rescue us from catastrophe.
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Post by scouse on Mar 29, 2019 13:44:53 GMT
Boris could be ideal - as a figurehead, someone who can get people engaged, but leaving ministers to run their own departments. Get us away from the Tony Blair/Theresa May style of government where everything is run via Downing Street. The only problem is the lack of people who could be trusted with a government department and not stab the PM in the back.
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 29, 2019 14:49:36 GMT
Boris has fucked up once to often and is now just seen as the buffoon he is.
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Post by Tim on Mar 29, 2019 15:25:42 GMT
Boris has fucked up once to often and is now just seen as the buffoon he is. Well, there's a survey been done that says 60% of tory supporters think he isn't the right man but, alarmingly, that leaves 40% who think he's fine. I wouldn't trust him to look after a bar of chocolate for me so I certainly don't want him as PM.
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 29, 2019 15:49:43 GMT
With May's deal having been rejected for the third time, who knows what will happen. There is now talk of us possibly being given an extension of another 12 months.
God preserve us..
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 29, 2019 17:14:48 GMT
I have no idea.
All I know is that we have the crazies out in force in Parliament Square at the moment. That Wetherstones bloke is a proper lunatic.
Glad I worked from home today.
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