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Jun 28, 2018 9:45:21 GMT
Post by Tim on Jun 28, 2018 9:45:21 GMT
There were a couple of articles on the radio last night and this morning about AI (Artificial Intelligence) but I only heard part of them.
It seems to me that a lot of the push is coming from Faceache and Google which means to my mind that its just going to be a huge marketing thing.
What, exactly, are the benefits of this apparent rush to create AI?
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Jun 28, 2018 9:58:42 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 28, 2018 9:58:42 GMT
There were a couple of articles on the radio last night and this morning about AI (Artificial Intelligence) but I only heard part of them.
It seems to me that a lot of the push is coming from Faceache and Google which means to my mind that its just going to be a huge marketing thing.
What, exactly, are the benefits of this apparent rush to create AI? It's part of the fourth industrial revolution, the internet of things, bringing togther the physical, digital and biological spheres. Basically it's the next step on from the digital revolution.
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Jun 28, 2018 11:21:05 GMT
Post by Tim on Jun 28, 2018 11:21:05 GMT
That doesn't realy help. This morning's article was a health related one - there'll be a device in your home that monitors you and can talk through symptoms. Great in theory but all it'll do is make everybody hypochondriacs plus I'd rather speak to a real person than rely on some programming.
I'm not sure where the real benefits are of some other proposals - why does anybody need AI to book a hotel room for them for instance. Is it just that difficult to pick the phone up yourself or are there a lot of people out there who just think they're too busy to do this?
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Jun 28, 2018 12:41:27 GMT
Post by ChrisM on Jun 28, 2018 12:41:27 GMT
There were a couple of articles on the radio last night and this morning about AI (Artificial Intelligence) but I only heard part of them. I heard one within the past week that said something along the lines of, if you were out in the open getting soaked and greeted in the pouring rain by the sight of someone dressed in a clown's "uniform" suggesting you go though a nice open door into what appeared to be a plushly furnished entrance hall, AI would say yes as it looked like a welcome way out from the downpour.... whereas anyone with some real intelligence would note a series of alarm bells ringing in their mind
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Jun 28, 2018 12:46:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 12:46:17 GMT
I had a Google Home speaker thing that is now in a drawer because it was thick as shit!
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Jun 28, 2018 15:00:55 GMT
Post by chipbutty on Jun 28, 2018 15:00:55 GMT
I still can't get voice activation in a car to work.
I didn't realise it was fitted to my car, but when I did and tried it, it was next to useless.
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Jun 28, 2018 15:06:56 GMT
Post by franki68 on Jun 28, 2018 15:06:56 GMT
I still can't get voice activation in a car to work. I didn't realise it was fitted to my car, but when I did and tried it, it was next to useless. The system in the 911 is excellent,it works well with the porsche system but really excels with carplay using Siri.
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Jun 28, 2018 15:08:55 GMT
Post by franki68 on Jun 28, 2018 15:08:55 GMT
There were a couple of articles on the radio last night and this morning about AI (Artificial Intelligence) but I only heard part of them.
It seems to me that a lot of the push is coming from Faceache and Google which means to my mind that its just going to be a huge marketing thing.
What, exactly, are the benefits of this apparent rush to create AI? To make even more people unemployed ? I wonder where all this technology is leading us.
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Jun 28, 2018 15:43:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 15:43:27 GMT
I thought the fourth revolution was Cyberdyne and the rise of the robot(politician)s. Guaranteed to screw everyone into the ground.
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Jun 28, 2018 16:17:48 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 28, 2018 16:17:48 GMT
That doesn't realy help. This morning's article was a health related one - there'll be a device in your home that monitors you and can talk through symptoms. Great in theory but all it'll do is make everybody hypochondriacs plus I'd rather speak to a real person than rely on some programming. I'm not sure where the real benefits are of some other proposals - why does anybody need AI to book a hotel room for them for instance. Is it just that difficult to pick the phone up yourself or are there a lot of people out there who just think they're too busy to do this? Don't forget nearly 50% of doctors were below average in their class and AI is already outperforming them in tests: www.gponline.com/babylons-ai-outperforms-average-doctor-mrcgp-exam/article/1486258Why does anyone need AI to book a hotel room for them? I'd like to think that we could find better uses but much as in the same way a PA will mange their boss's diary and book rooms for him, your AI assistant could analyse your diary, plan the best routes for meetings, avoiding delays and minimising travel distances, booking hotels based on your preferences for location, facilities and price. I'm reminded of the Postmaster General who claimed that the American invention of the telephone would never catch on in Britain as we had the finest telegraph delivery boys in the World and no one would go to the trouble of making a telephone call when someone else would deliver a message for them. In terms of healthcare AI offers tremendous opportunities to revolutionise how we care for the elderly and allowing them to live independent lives, remaining in their own homes. AI can monitor their vital signs, blood pressure, sugar levels etc, monitor how much they are eating, activity levels, making sure they take their medicines at the right time and spot anomalies in their behaviour which would indicate potential problems coming up. That's just a small part of it, before we even get into the smart factories of the future and the interconnectivity of supply chains. The subject is huge and far beyond just saying; "Alexa, talk dirty to me".
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Jun 28, 2018 18:09:02 GMT
Post by Martin on Jun 28, 2018 18:09:02 GMT
I still can't get voice activation in a car to work. I didn't realise it was fitted to my car, but when I did and tried it, it was next to useless. The system in the 911 is excellent,it works well with the porsche system but really excels with carplay using Siri. I mainly use the voice control for calling people, but it does work very well for all sorts of things including bringing up the tyre pressures, changing between radio/Spotify etc.
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Jun 29, 2018 8:43:55 GMT
Post by Tim on Jun 29, 2018 8:43:55 GMT
That doesn't realy help. This morning's article was a health related one - there'll be a device in your home that monitors you and can talk through symptoms. Great in theory but all it'll do is make everybody hypochondriacs plus I'd rather speak to a real person than rely on some programming. I'm not sure where the real benefits are of some other proposals - why does anybody need AI to book a hotel room for them for instance. Is it just that difficult to pick the phone up yourself or are there a lot of people out there who just think they're too busy to do this? Don't forget nearly 50% of doctors were below average in their class and AI is already outperforming them in tests: www.gponline.com/babylons-ai-outperforms-average-doctor-mrcgp-exam/article/1486258Why does anyone need AI to book a hotel room for them? I'd like to think that we could find better uses but much as in the same way a PA will mange their boss's diary and book rooms for him, your AI assistant could analyse your diary, plan the best routes for meetings, avoiding delays and minimising travel distances, booking hotels based on your preferences for location, facilities and price. I'm reminded of the Postmaster General who claimed that the American invention of the telephone would never catch on in Britain as we had the finest telegraph delivery boys in the World and no one would go to the trouble of making a telephone call when someone else would deliver a message for them. In terms of healthcare AI offers tremendous opportunities to revolutionise how we care for the elderly and allowing them to live independent lives, remaining in their own homes. AI can monitor their vital signs, blood pressure, sugar levels etc, monitor how much they are eating, activity levels, making sure they take their medicines at the right time and spot anomalies in their behaviour which would indicate potential problems coming up. That's just a small part of it, before we even get into the smart factories of the future and the interconnectivity of supply chains. The subject is huge and far beyond just saying; "Alexa, talk dirty to me".
Thanks Bob I can see that part of it. Mrs Tim has recently changed jobs and made the alarming discovery that doctors just need a pass in their exams to qualify and that sometimes the pass mark can be below 50% It makes sense when you think about it but is a shock initially as, I suppose, we'd all like to think they know what they're doing!
My question with AI really revolves around how much better its going to make our lives and what we will actually do with all the spare time it appears it might create. However, I realise I'm looking at this from my own point of view whereas for those in the world who are, say, obsessed with their social media accounts (some people appear to be on it all day) it will be a welcome 'time giver' for them to get on living their exciting online lives.
I suppose my other concern is over the organisations that are developing this stuff. I saw a comment about some of the additional data Facearse collects on its users - as detailed as keystrokes, mouse moves, etc - and it is troubling. On the face of it you have to wonder what do they need this info for. I know the reality is currently to subliminally sell us crap we don't need. What if it falls into the wrong (or shoudl that be 'even more wrong') hands?
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Jun 29, 2018 10:57:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 10:57:37 GMT
AI is only ever going to be as good as the pleb writing (Or simply entering) the data/code. Something NASA and the ESA in particular are very aware of.
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Jun 29, 2018 12:08:27 GMT
Post by Blarno on Jun 29, 2018 12:08:27 GMT
I don't like talking to real people, let alone machines.
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Jun 29, 2018 16:37:56 GMT
Post by PG on Jun 29, 2018 16:37:56 GMT
I think AI suffers from a lot of the same issues - in terms of debate, knowledge, possibilities, worries etc - as driverless cars (which are part of AI anyway). When people say "AI" most people immediately think of robots - and then the good aspects (labour saving; better life for everyone etc) and the bad aspects (Cyberdyne Systems (the Terminator) and the Matrix, mass unemployment and so on). But although there are headline grabbing demonstrations of that sort of robotic stuff, the reality is that AI will initially and for the medium term be about analytical and decision processes. google the 4th Industrial Revolution to see what one aspect of it is supposed to be about (over the next iteration before we get to robots and hyperdrive), although like most things, everybody has a slightly different slant on what the 4th IR is supposed / going to be depending on what particular axe they are grinding. Here's one example - IoT is the Internet of Things. No, I'm not really sure what that is either....
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Jun 29, 2018 21:04:10 GMT
Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jun 29, 2018 21:04:10 GMT
AI is only ever going to be as good as the pleb writing (Or simply entering) the data/code. Something NASA and the ESA in particular are very aware of. Not really, AI is about machine learning.
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Jun 29, 2018 23:12:04 GMT
Post by Big Blue on Jun 29, 2018 23:12:04 GMT
I’m trying to make the Echo on my WiFi play the songs on my NAS. I need to install a 3rd party SSL certificate on the NAS to enable this. They’re next to each other on my network and they’re my songs but some lawyer has decided there’s a risk of this leading to a break of security (because 80s synth music is key to national security). And this is where AI falls over. If there’s a risk of anything no matter how remote then products will remain hampered by human suspicion, fear and legal departments.
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Jun 30, 2018 20:51:51 GMT
Post by Stuntman on Jun 30, 2018 20:51:51 GMT
The automotive industry is embracing Industry 4.0. Some of the potential stuff coming down the pipe is impressive, even if people like us might not actually desire it.
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Jul 1, 2018 8:49:05 GMT
Post by Alex on Jul 1, 2018 8:49:05 GMT
The automotive industry is embracing Industry 4.0. Some of the potential stuff coming down the pipe is impressive, even if people like us might not actually desire it. It’s not people like us they care about, it’s my kids generation who will embrace it. My own children may learn to drive (they’re 9 and 11) but my newly born niece probably won’t have any need to in 17 years time.
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