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Post by Andy C on Apr 23, 2018 21:25:19 GMT
No, we haven’t bought one. Just a test drive. The Cupra Ateca is high on our next car list, so we went to register our interest with the dealer, and they offered us a drive in the Leon, just to give us an idea of the interior, gearbox and engine (and probably try to sell us the Leon. They tried, but we didn’t) This was an 18MY car, with the new engine (up 10hp to 300hp) and virtual cockpit. It also had full leather (a £1030 option), and SEAT Sound (well worth it). It was finished in a striking colour called desire red. Sporty SEAT’s have always looked good, and this is no different. I prefer the estate to the hatch too. I also think it looks better than the Golf R estate. Inside, the interior is pretty much like the Golf, which is no bad thing. Some people say the Golf is better built, but to my eyes they’re about the same. The quality is very good, and the dash layout works well. It has an 8.0 touchscreen with Nav, traffic updates, Apple play etc. I think you can upgrade to a 10.0 screen and a bigger hard drive, but for £1000, I wouldn’t bother. Another thing I wouldn’t bother with is the leather. I’ve never liked leather on ‘mainstream’ manufacturers, and its business as usual here. It felt hard, slippery and absolutely not worth £1000. I’d stick with the standard alcantara seat with leather inserts. The seat itself was a great shape and very comfortable. Options I’d pick would be the SEAT sound, which for £250 seemed a bargain. 9 speakers and a boot mounted sub meant a real powerhouse of sound and excellent clarity throughout the cabin. The other absolute must for me would be the virtual cockpit. It’s a real game changer. The screen was crystal clear and made normal dials seem ancient. You can adjust what is shown on the screen by a button on the steering wheel. If you have Nav on in between the dials, it also means you can have the main screen on something different. On to the drive then. Tara hadn’t really had any experience with an auto before (apart from some shitty Avensis a few years ago) so she drove it first. You get dynamic chassis control as standard on Cupra’s (£800 option on the Golf R and S3), and there are 4 settings to choose from: Comfort, Sport, Cupra, and Individual. Fire the engine in comfort and it was feeble to say the least. There wasn’t really any sound. She pulled out of the dealers and pottered around in comfort for a bit, and it was just that. Comfortable. The ride was very good for a car with 19 inch wheels, and the gearbox seemed to work really well. This was my biggest reservation, as a lot of reports say the DSG is dim-witted at low speeds, but it was absolutely fine; it shuffled between cogs seamlessly and it was very smooth. Using the paddles was also impressive – instant changes and when I wanted them too. Into Coombe Abbey car park then and we swap over so I get a go. I left it in comfort for a short while, just to see what it was like. The engine/induction/exhaust sound is, well there isn’t one. Not unless you floor it, and then it just sounds like a typical 4 cylinder – dull and drony. The comfort setting is well worth it though, as its all Tara would ever use, and also great for long journeys - the throttle response is laid back, it rides well, it’s very refined at 70mph, and the engine and gearbox do their thing to keep the revs as low as possible, meaning it was averaging 40mpg on a steady cruise on the A46 and 34mpg overall. In to Sport mode then, and immediately it feels more like my cup of tea. The steering became heavier (although virtually zero feel), the throttle response was now excellent and the engine came alive. Fake or not, it did sound good. Not as good as the 5cyl warble in mine, but good enough and sporty enough that it wouldn’t put me off the car. Weirdly, in my mates S3 and various Golf R’s I’ve heard, you get farts from the exhaust on full throttle up shifts. In this, you got the sporty sound, but no farts. I’ve read reports that the power quoted in CUPRA’s can be slightly conservative, and actually is putting out a different state of tune (i.e. more BHP) to the Golf R or S3, and I can quite believe it, as this felt quicker than my mates S3 and it had only done 800 miles. A combination of the quick DSG box, 300hp and 4wd meant that even on a greasy surface, you could just plant your foot and it would take off like a rocket with no traction issues or fuss through the steering. Try that in mine and it would scrabble like crazy. I’ve got to say it was great fun in that respect. I’m also loving 4wd. I tried a Focus RS recently, and I couldn’t see any downsides – infinite traction, wet or dry, foot down and you just launch out of corners with no fuss. This was more of the same. My biggest fear was 4wd making them feel heavy and cumbersome, but both the RS and CUPRA have felt hugely planted and hunkered down to the road with good turn in. The Cupra would be much quicker than mine across a B-road, although it would be nice to have the steering feel from mine. Even in sport, the ride was never crashy. It was obviously more firm than in comfort, but it never felt poorly damped on any road. It rode just probably on par with my mates 140i in comfort and that’s on 18’s. I was impressed by that. Switching to CUPRA mode and the wick was turned up even more. I only got around 5 mins in Cupra mode, but the first thing that stood out was that the ride was now crashy. Great on a smooth, B-road, but too firm for anything else. It’s hard to say if it felt any more planted in a corner than in sport mode, so I don’t think the extra harshness in the suspension is worth the trade-off. You could use sport mode quite happily every day. You couldn’t in Cupra mode. Then there’s individual mode, so you can tweak each characteristic to your liking, so you could have Cupra engine map and sound, comfy suspension, and sport gearbox. So much choice. Too much choice in fact. Gone are the days where engineers set the damping up to work on every road surface. It does the ‘all the car you ever need’ thing quite well. It looks good, goes well, drives nicely, is reasonably priced and won’t be that expensive to run. Ultimately, Tara still likes the Ateca more. So if it does all the above, but you just sit ‘a bit higher up’, then I don’t think the Cupra Ateca will be a bad car at all.
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 23, 2018 21:34:54 GMT
That sounds rather nifty to me; not sure about the ride on 19's around here, given the ratio of actual road surface to potholes is about 50:50 at the moment, but I did like the interior of the one I had as a rental last year. If I was to get one though, it would have to be the estate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 22:40:21 GMT
Try and get a 24 hour test drive to do some night driving because although some say the headlights are improved they were shit on the pre-facelift. Nowhere near good enough to match the performance of the rest of the car, so you just dawdle along squinting!
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 24, 2018 6:07:11 GMT
Try and get a 24 hour test drive to do some night driving because although some say the headlights are improved they were shit on the pre-facelift. Nowhere near good enough to match the performance of the rest of the car, so you just dawdle along squinting! Trust me, they can't be as bad as Legacy headlights!
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Post by Martin on Apr 24, 2018 7:10:09 GMT
Good review Andy. Not impressed enough to think about one rather than wait for the Ateca?
Unsurprising, it sounds almost exactly like the Golf R we drove on Saturday. The only differences are a ride that’s firm but perfectly acceptable in ‘Race’ and relatively decent steering (it has a nicer feel than the M240i as an example). I think the Golf looks a lot better, but styling is very subjective, (that is probably the best looking Leon I’ve seen) and I think there’s a bigger difference in interiors.
The different modes in the Golf were interesting. Comfort is very much like Eco Pro in BMWs, so poor throttle response plus it’s very keen to get into 7th gear, which makes it feel flat. Standard is ideal for around town / on the motorway, as it gives you a surprisingly good ride, smooth gear changes and decent throttle response. I suspect race mode is the default setting for a lot of Golf drivers, but it doesn’t do it any favours at all, thanks to the artificial engine noise (noise is the right word) and overly aggressive gear changes (with a bang...). Easily solved with individual mode, as you can have the suspension and steering in race mode and keep the rest in standard.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Apr 24, 2018 11:53:24 GMT
That sounds like a great option to replace your ST. A shame that you can't nudge Tara away from that SUV preference that many women seem to have. Start making up fake stories about them rolling over in emergency manoeuvres.
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Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2018 12:18:19 GMT
Nice writeup.
These 4wd superhatches (and estates) are great but I really don't feel any desire for them. There's a sort of efficiency that comes across as passionless and all the ones I've heard sound either a bit, or very, crap!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 12:37:28 GMT
I suspect race mode is the default setting for a lot of Golf drivers, but it doesn’t do it any favours at all, thanks to the artificial engine noise I can turn that off for you.
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Post by Martin on Apr 24, 2018 12:59:07 GMT
I suspect race mode is the default setting for a lot of Golf drivers, but it doesn’t do it any favours at all, thanks to the artificial engine noise I can turn that off for you. Coding or pulling a fuse? The engine sounded OK with it off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 13:43:58 GMT
Coding. I have a VCDS lead and you can set the amount of noise as a percentage. Turning it down to around 30% was quite acceptable I found. The Golf does sound very different to the S3 and Cupra inside, which is strange. There's basically a bulkhead-mounted vibrator behind the dash that makes the extra cabin noise, so you'd not think they'd sound so markedly different. Unplugging the unit, which some people do, throws up a fault code, but turning it down/off doesn't.
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Post by Andy C on Apr 24, 2018 17:08:02 GMT
Good review Andy. Not impressed enough to think about one rather than wait for the Ateca? Unsurprising, it sounds almost exactly like the Golf R we drove on Saturday. The only differences are a ride that’s firm but perfectly acceptable in ‘Race’ and relatively decent steering (it has a nicer feel than the M240i as an example). I think the Golf looks a lot better, but styling is very subjective, (that is probably the best looking Leon I’ve seen) and I think there’s a bigger difference in interiors. The different modes in the Golf were interesting. Comfort is very much like Eco Pro in BMWs, so poor throttle response plus it’s very keen to get into 7th gear, which makes it feel flat. Standard is ideal for around town / on the motorway, as it gives you a surprisingly good ride, smooth gear changes and decent throttle response. I suspect race mode is the default setting for a lot of Golf drivers, but it doesn’t do it any favours at all, thanks to the artificial engine noise (noise is the right word) and overly aggressive gear changes (with a bang...). Easily solved with individual mode, as you can have the suspension and steering in race mode and keep the rest in standard. if it was up to me I’d have a fast estate without a doubt. But we’d be sharing it so both got to be happy . As long as the Leon drives reasonably similar to the Leon, I’ll be happy enough. The standard ateca gets rave reviews in how car like it is to drive . I I didn’t mind the noise. Like I said, you didn’t get the farts, and it sounded better than my mates S3 (from the inside). I’ve never been in a Golf R so can’t comment on it . It’s got a purposeful sound when you give it the beans in sport or cupra - Deep and throaty, almost 5cyl, so I didn’t mind too much it was fake. Was your golf R on 18s or 19s? Manual or DSG ? The other thing I forgot to mention was that I thought the gearbox was the new 7 speed DSG (fitted to the 2018 MY Golf R) as it was that good. It wasn’t. It was the 6 speed. It’s not available to SEAT yet. The 7 speed is meant to be even better (quicker, smoother), and that’s what the Cupra Ateca is getting
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Post by Andy C on Apr 24, 2018 17:09:37 GMT
Try and get a 24 hour test drive to do some night driving because although some say the headlights are improved they were shit on the pre-facelift. Nowhere near good enough to match the performance of the rest of the car, so you just dawdle along squinting! We’re yours LEDs.? I’m presuming even the new Leon with the adaptives aren’t as good as say BMWs voodoos
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Post by Andy C on Apr 24, 2018 17:14:28 GMT
... www.carthrottle.com/post/seat-is-cooking-up-a-335bhp-leon-cupra-st-cupra-r/‘The more potent guise would be available only for the four-wheel drive, DSG-equipped Leon ST, since it doesn’t need any additional changes to cope with the extra poke’. That means it should be ok for the Ateca then They can keep the copper and 20 inch wheels, just give me the exhaust and power . 335bhp in a Ateca would be a right laugh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 17:15:55 GMT
Yes. I once drove all the way to work in the dark with them turned off and never noticed, they were that dim. I only twigged when I went to use the full beam just before arriving there and it wouldn't activate because the switch was in the off position.
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Post by Martin on Apr 24, 2018 17:54:58 GMT
Good review Andy. Not impressed enough to think about one rather than wait for the Ateca? Unsurprising, it sounds almost exactly like the Golf R we drove on Saturday. The only differences are a ride that’s firm but perfectly acceptable in ‘Race’ and relatively decent steering (it has a nicer feel than the M240i as an example). I think the Golf looks a lot better, but styling is very subjective, (that is probably the best looking Leon I’ve seen) and I think there’s a bigger difference in interiors. The different modes in the Golf were interesting. Comfort is very much like Eco Pro in BMWs, so poor throttle response plus it’s very keen to get into 7th gear, which makes it feel flat. Standard is ideal for around town / on the motorway, as it gives you a surprisingly good ride, smooth gear changes and decent throttle response. I suspect race mode is the default setting for a lot of Golf drivers, but it doesn’t do it any favours at all, thanks to the artificial engine noise (noise is the right word) and overly aggressive gear changes (with a bang...). Easily solved with individual mode, as you can have the suspension and steering in race mode and keep the rest in standard. if it was up to me I’d have a fast estate without a doubt. But we’d be sharing it so both got to be happy . As long as the Leon drives reasonably similar to the Leon, I’ll be happy enough. The standard ateca gets rave reviews in how car like it is to drive . I I didn’t mind the noise. Like I said, you didn’t get the farts, and it sounded better than my mates S3 (from the inside). I’ve never been in a Golf R so can’t comment on it . It’s got a purposeful sound when you give it the beans in sport or cupra - Deep and throaty, almost 5cyl, so I didn’t mind too much it was fake. Was your golf R on 18s or 19s? Manual or DSG ? The other thing I forgot to mention was that I thought the gearbox was the new 7 speed DSG (fitted to the 2018 MY Golf R) as it was that good. It wasn’t. It was the 6 speed. It’s not available to SEAT yet. The 7 speed is meant to be even better (quicker, smoother), and that’s what the Cupra Ateca is getting It was a DSG, with DCC and 19s. I don’t think it was missing anything from the options list other than memory seats and the expensive exhaust....it had the R performance pack, nappa leather, upgraded sat Nav, dynaudio, keyless entry, reversing camera, voodoo lights, panoramic roof, wireless charging. Ive not added it up, but must be a high £40s list price and £42-43k after discount.
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Post by Andy C on Apr 24, 2018 18:07:34 GMT
Sounds good but that’s A LOT of money
Are you getting rid of the boxster or is it a 3rd car ?
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Post by Martin on Apr 24, 2018 18:25:55 GMT
Sounds good but that’s A LOT of money Are you getting rid of the boxster or is it a 3rd car ? It is an awful lot of money and not really any good for us as it didn’t have memory seats. We’re a bit undecided at the moment. Lindsay needs a 5 door to continue to qualify for her car allowance, so the sensible thing to do is sell the Boxster (there quite a bit of cash tied up in it), but it’s a really tough decision as it’s a fantastic car. I suspect that’s what we’ll end up doing though, probably after the summer, as I’ll need a new car by November and am bound to want to stretch the budget! It won’t be forever, we’ll be back in something similar in a couple of years when my kids are old enough to drive themselves.
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