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Post by franki68 on Mar 27, 2018 14:19:29 GMT
can be broken into and started using a device bought off amazon and ebay apparently.
This made me smile because my first car was and escort which I sold and then bought a capri.I actually lost the keys to the capri one day and out of desperation tried my old escort key,not only did it unlock the door but it started the ignition as well.
That's over 30 years ago and despite all the technology , fords are now just as easy to nick.
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 27, 2018 14:30:17 GMT
A similar thing happened many years ago when I had an Escort Mk1. Someone had locked their keys in another MK1 so came across the car park to see if I could unlock their door with my key, which I did.
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Post by Tim on Mar 27, 2018 14:40:51 GMT
My parents had a similar issue with a Mini Clubman estate, a work colleague of my mum's actually got in and started it before realising it wasn't her, identical, car!
I don't think Fords are the only ones, wasn't there a problem with BMWs in the recent past, maybe the E90 series?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 27, 2018 14:48:59 GMT
Neighbour round the corner has just had her new Merc stolen using something that boosts the signal from the keys inside the house, allowing them to open the car, start it, and drive it off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 11:54:04 GMT
I thought even with a boosted range, once the car goes beyond that the car stops. Sara's Grand Scenic did at least, very embarrassing.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Mar 28, 2018 12:02:45 GMT
can be broken into and started using a device bought off amazon and ebay apparently. This made me smile because my first car was and escort which I sold and then bought a capri.I actually lost the keys to the capri one day and out of desperation tried my old escort key,not only did it unlock the door but it started the ignition as well. That's over 30 years ago and despite all the technology , fords are now just as easy to nick. Focus and Fiestas with keyless push button start are being very widely stolen currently. The window is smashed to access the OBD port and a cheap device plugged in which tells the ECU a key is present and/switches off the system the requires a key to be present. Another method is by programming the chip in one of the old style Ford Tibbe keys (those with the long thin blade), which is then detected by the ECU and allows the car to be started. There's been loads nicked on my area and it takes just seconds to do. The best line of defence is an old school mechanical steering wheel lock and I personally reckon the Disklok is the best of them. If you have family or friends with keyless Fiestas and Focii, especially ST models, I'd pass this info on. Frankly, it's astounding how easy it is. Thankfully, at least where I work, we are making some headway in catching some of those responsible. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Mar 28, 2018 12:06:00 GMT
Neighbour round the corner has just had her new Merc stolen using something that boosts the signal from the keys inside the house, allowing them to open the car, start it, and drive it off. Yep, this is the preferred method for high performance cars - AMG Mercs and M BMWs especially. They relay the signal from the remote key in the house back to the car, silently unlock it and drive off before anyone even realises they were there. You can buy small pouches that have a fine wire mesh, working as a Faraday Cage, to inhibit the signal from the car keys when not in use. They do work, I've tried one. This is a different method to the Ford thefts, though. |
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Post by Roadsterstu on Mar 28, 2018 12:07:19 GMT
I thought even with a boosted range, once the car goes beyond that the car stops. Sara's Grand Scenic did at least, very embarrassing. V60 keeps running without the key. As does Captur. For how long/far I don't know but I tried the Captur round the block and despite the "key not present" warning, it drove as normal. |
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Post by Tim on Mar 28, 2018 12:12:35 GMT
A colleague with an Audi A3 got from just outside Aberdeen to Dundee having dropped off her husband - who had the keys in his pocket.
She only realised the error when she wanted to lock the car!
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 28, 2018 12:15:06 GMT
I think the Captur will drive for ever until the engine is stopped;
The Fiesta and Kuga both bring up an alarm message "key not found" if I get out to open the garage door when their engines are running, and the cars can be driven for at least a short distance without the key present once the engines are runnning - I suspect that like the Captur, they will run until the engine is "manually" stopped (either by stalling the engine or pressing the stop button)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:32:19 GMT
I think that is a major problem, Sara's engine stopped in the next street so about 300 yards.
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Post by grampa on Mar 28, 2018 16:21:06 GMT
Many moons ago when I had my Escort van - Mrs L (then Miss A) locked the keys in it - I just managed to break in with a piece of wire as a Police car drew alongside. I obviously didn't have the demeanor of a thief as the briefest of explanations had them on their way with no checking or anything - equal measures of relief that I didn't have any further hassle and disappointment that it would have been so easy to nick even from under Police noses.
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Post by PG on Mar 28, 2018 16:52:49 GMT
My Mk II Cortina didn't need anything as sophisticated as a akey - a thin screwdriver was all you needed. A Krooklock was obligatory, although the second time it was stolen that was smashed off too, so a more meaty device was then used - can't remember which one.
If you leave your keys in the house in a metal tin, that has the same effect as buying a mesh Faraday cage.
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Post by Blarno on Mar 28, 2018 17:42:00 GMT
Therein lies the issue with modern keyless go systems.
I'm not sure if it's a legal issue or not, but they can't just switch the engine off after a certain distance driven without the key present. For a start, the steering could potentially lock, but also with no engine running, there is no servo assistance for brakes or steering. The risk of serious injury or death is too high, I would expect.
In relation to older cars, I know of a trick that works on Vauxhalls that only requires the steering lock to be broken. It will circumvent any factory fit (and some aftermarket) immobiliser systems and allow the car to be started without a key or transponder. Obviously, I won't go into detail about it on here (not that anyone would want to steal an old Vauxhall), but I have tested the theory on many different Vauxhalls (Some my own, some belonging to friends, one to a random girl I met at a party in Queensferry) up to and including a 2001 Vectra. I have no clue if the trick works on any modern Vauxhall or even my SAAB, given that it potentially has a GM wiring loom.
I'll report back on that one...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 19:19:24 GMT
My dad had an old Austin A40 Farina MK 1 and it was always getting nicked and dumped when it broke down. Once it was even returned, with more petrol in it. Conscience? Despite leaving the keys ion the ignition he never did get shot until part ex. Several weeks post exchange the dealer phoned to ask why the car had grease in the transmission oil. No idea guv.....
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Post by bryan on Mar 28, 2018 19:46:58 GMT
Therein lies the issue with modern keyless go systems. I'm not sure if it's a legal issue or not, but they can't just switch the engine off after a certain distance driven without the key present. For a start, the steering could potentially lock, but also with no engine running, there is no servo assistance for brakes or steering. The risk of serious injury or death is too high, I would expect. In relation to older cars, I know of a trick that works on Vauxhalls that only requires the steering lock to be broken. It will circumvent any factory fit (and some aftermarket) immobiliser systems and allow the car to be started without a key or transponder. Obviously, I won't go into detail about it on here (not that anyone would want to steal an old Vauxhall), but I have tested the theory on many different Vauxhalls (Some my own, some belonging to friends, one to a random girl I met at a party in Queensferry) up to and including a 2001 Vectra. I have no clue if the trick works on any modern Vauxhall or even my SAAB, given that it potentially has a GM wiring loom. I'll report back on that one... They tried to nick my Mum's 89 Astra merit by breaking the steering lock but ended up snapping the wheel clean off! |
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Post by Alex on Mar 29, 2018 13:39:13 GMT
I thought even with a boosted range, once the car goes beyond that the car stops. Sara's Grand Scenic did at least, very embarrassing. V60 keeps running without the key. As does Captur. For how long/far I don't know but I tried the Captur round the block and despite the "key not present" warning, it drove as normal. I imagine that’s a safety system that allows you to safely stop the car rather than having it die and therefore lose all brake and steering assistance. I guess the idea is the honest owner would stop and go get their keys. |
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Post by alf on Apr 4, 2018 8:27:24 GMT
Most modern cars can be driven away if you access the OBD port and run through the program to make a new key - BMW had a big problem with this. It is one reason OBD2 ports are being replaced with WWHOBD and before long they'll be gone for good - a right PITA for me as some of our kit fits into said port...
I don't see keyless as a security issue, having used it for years in both cars. The car shouts at you loudly and immediately if the key is not present. It is a muppetry issue - especially if you stop, the engine stops because of stop start, you therefore don't stop the engine fully, and you walk off. In this instance I would expect remotely locking the car to switch off the ignition but it does not on the Ford, so Mrs ALF sometimes comes back to find it locked, but running...
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