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Post by alf on Mar 14, 2018 12:42:20 GMT
So after we all agreed it would be sensible not to just change the XFR for another XFR, I'm pretty sure I will by the end of the year! I just committed to the next year's warranty (paid monthly so I can stop it) but Jaguar do this in annual blocks rather than just leave it like BMW did, its on 85k miles now so this will be the last time I can do it. I still like the idea of a Giulia Quadrifoglio but I'm still far from sure its a better car then the XFR for what I use it for, and they are big money - maybe next time. Even I have my doubts about the brand at that pricing level. Between now and when I put my winter wheels on, I want to change the XFR. I considered XE V6S ut they are barely cheaper than an equivalent aged XFR so why bother? With them I'm scanning the ads looking to be sure that one has keyless, heated screen, upgrade stereo etc and the XFR has a shit load of kit as standard plus the cooled memory seats which I also love. And I'd seriously miss the V8. Anyway, what do people think of this? It's not that serious a consideration yet - personally I am OK with white but dislike these wheels - however I have to say its a 3 year old car for similar money to 4-5 year old ones, low mileage, main dealer, and close to home. Mrs ALF would probably do her nut since I said I'm keeping the current one for a bit and she hates change (not that this is a lot of change) but assuming they'd give me say £13k for mine then I've saved enough to do the swap loan-free: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801192891240If I see one in the metallic red or bright blue at this age/price/mileage, especially if it has less gash wheels (not a biggie as I have at least one set of the silver Nevis ones) and black leather, I may move! But I'll be scanning now for sure, with an intention of doing something in the autumn if nothing jumps out at me before then. Big engine car values seem to have dipped a bit just recently, not sure why, if they continue to fall I may wait a bit. C63's and so on are £10k ish more than this car for the same age/mileage, not interested there... And XJ's just don't do it for me on an emotional level, plus the XF is a perfect size for me, I could go down to XE size but not up much. I may look at new cars too up to about £600 a month but S5's and 240i's and so on don't excite me much either. I've come to love the effortless oversteer from any revs, and endless instant urge, and V8 noise of the XFR and few cars will match it. I had a crazy moment of considering a new iPace or Tesla givwe that I spend over £400 a month on fuel which could be added to the £600 I'd happily spend on a new car (and that's £600 all in, at 20k p.a. mileage, including start/end prices and so on, don't show me any cars at £400 a month with a "£13k deposit" over 2 years on 10k miles or any BS like that!). |
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 14, 2018 13:06:00 GMT
....aaand ........ breathe...........
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Post by Tim on Mar 14, 2018 13:24:25 GMT
I don't mind those wheels although they're better in silver.
There's a white XF round the corner from us and while I don't generally like white the Jag one appears to have a slightly blue tint to it which makes a difference.
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 14, 2018 15:51:58 GMT
Looks good but the info tech on the XF just looks so old now compared to the competition.
If it was me I'd be looking at E or CLS63 and M5/6GC's
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Post by alf on Mar 14, 2018 16:30:48 GMT
E63's can be goodish value but when I see an E Class (before the brand new shape) I just see a taxi. I like M6 GC's and M5's and so on, BUT.... The German cars are simply not nearly as good value. I'm looking at a 2 or 3 year older car for the same money, and have an absolute limit of £30k I will spend. With the German cars I mostly like stuff from around when the new 4.0 C63's came out and later (about 3 years ago) - that's £40k+ territory. I'll be looking at them next time anyway, since Jaguar don't make V8 XF's any more. In 3-4 years time I'll be looking at things like the C63 coupe and Guilia QF, plenty of time to try other stuff then - I would like to own a Mercedes for a while and see how it goes.
The Germans also cost far more to run - warranty and servicing and parts costs are higher, the XFR has been more like my 330i to run (bar fuel) than an M5 or equivalent. The German equivalents in some cases are also less reliable, and they simply don't offer the same blend of talents for my everyday use. The XFR rides at least as well as any of the "normal" Jaguars I drove last Friday, yet show it a corner at speed and the adaptive suspension allows spookily flat cornering. Give it some throttle and the rears light up - without having to go on a 10 minute tour of options on the touchscreen like on the German cars. I recall Franki saying the new 4.0 V8 Merc AMG's "don't feel quick" unless in sport mode. 5.0 supercharged Jags certainly do! And all the German equivalents have a hard, often harsh, ride. I hate that - our roads are shit and getting worse.
The screen thing is valid but like I said to Martin on another thread, how much driving time do you spend in the screens? Not much I hope. I use mine to switch between radio and iPod, and adjust the heated/cooled seats. That's about it - everything else I do via buttons or voice. I'm perfectly happy with my pre-facelift UI and that's REALLY old looking! Plus I get a hand stitched leather dash, lovely headlining, heated/cooled seats in lovely soft leather, better stereo than anything else I've heard, heated windscreen, keyless etc - I'd really miss some of that and it's generally options or not even available on other brands. Heated windscreens are lovely things that save me 5 minutes of bitterly cold cocking about on cold mornings, only a handful of recent mercs and few if any BMW's have them. So while I miss out on a fancy screen UI with little pictures of my car on it like BMW have, I pick up genuinely useful stuff in return!
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 14, 2018 17:06:07 GMT
I don't mind those wheels although they're better in silver. There's a white XF round the corner from us and while I don't generally like white the Jag one appears to have a slightly blue tint to it which makes a difference. Likewise re the wheels in silver.
But a white Jag is just a no. Yeurgh! White looks terrible on larger cars and I've discovered that it is almost as much of a bugger to keep clean as a black car. My wife's Fiat is white and while she really wanted a white one at the time, she's since sworn that she'll never get another white car because of how much it shows the dirt.
I spotted this earlier and thought "yum":
www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/jaguar/xf/jaguar-xf-r-s-v8-auto-2014/8243289
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Post by johnc on Mar 14, 2018 17:35:23 GMT
It's LHD, 4 years old and over £40K. Not exactly bargain territory.
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Post by alf on Mar 14, 2018 17:44:06 GMT
I've not looked at XFR-S but I suspect finding a low miles one for less than £30k will not happen for some years. I suspect they have some unicorn-like parts on them too. Look great in saloon form and bright blue though!
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 14, 2018 18:24:54 GMT
It's LHD, 4 years old and over £40K. Not exactly bargain territory. I had not spotted that it was a left-hooker! |
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 14, 2018 18:27:21 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 15, 2018 20:46:15 GMT
One of our trainers / support staff at work has a white one (lower spec) and white shows the dirt terribly. Having had one white car, I'd not have another ever again if at all possible (well maybe after I retire and have more time to keep it clean........)
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Post by Roadsterstu on Mar 19, 2018 9:03:27 GMT
I've only had one white car and agree it is a sod to keep clean. Not just dirt but tar spots and those metallic particles that stain the paint. The cream colour of our Captur is similarly difficult to keep clean.
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Post by PG on Mar 19, 2018 13:52:38 GMT
I think you are really going to struggle to find an XFR with voodoo cruise control. They are rarer than unicorn poo. Apart from yours and mine, I've only ever seen one other for sale with it fitted. I would also say to you that the bi-xenon headlights on facelift models are not as good as the xenons on pre facelift cars.
If you want a late one, way more seem to have red seats as well (which I'm personally not that keen on). It is almost as if Jag had to use up all the parts they had in stock!
But good luck.
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Post by alf on Mar 19, 2018 13:57:23 GMT
I had a brief look at the various "new car" options today, not thoroughly and with no real focus in terms of what I was looking at. RS4 / C63 / Giulia QF etc all looked a lot of money (I was looking at 3+33 on 15k miles p.a.) - over a grand a month. S5 / 440i Touring / 440i GC all look acceptable value (£600 a month or so) but on the sites I checked, C43's in any shape looked very expensive, which is odd given Mercedes are usually the whores of the lease world. Second hand, 3 year old 435i GC's (a car I like) are much the same money as a 3-4 year old XFR, and when I see the interior pics I am massively reminded of my E91 330i, which looked pretty bleak and old school even then.
If the Tesla model S was more sporty it would almost make sense on a grand a month given half of that could be written off in my case against fuel/tax. The commitment is still there if, for example, I lost my job or something though, and while I think in some ways now is the right time to step into Tesla land (there are loads of chargers and few cars right now) I am not done with snorty engine noises for some time yet, I fear.
Audi RS3's look good value new on a lease, presumably down to the depreciation - they are one of the few "RS" level motors that are barely more than something like a 440i (and well under a Merc C43). The opposite brand experience to something with the anonymity of a Jaguar or Alfa, however, which seem to raise the hackles of non-car people less. Given the shit-holes I often leave my cars in, this matters a bit.
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Post by Martin on Mar 19, 2018 17:18:39 GMT
The problem with the lease prices you’ve seen is that they will soon jump up when you start to add options to get closer to a spec you’re used to, as normal be of them would increase the end of term residuals. That would be the same with Jaguar now, the standard spec is nothing like as good as it was with the old XF (with the exception of the XJ)
I think I’d stick to plan A and hold onto your car until the end of its current warranty rather than swap it sooner if the only serious options is a slightly newer one. If you think that will still be the case at the end of the year, then keep an eye out for a decent colour/condition one. I don’t think I would replace a car with one pretty much the same, no matter how much I liked it, but I understand the dilemma.
Just don’t buy a white one!
It’s good that you know what you want, I’ve got too many quite different options on my list.
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