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Post by ChrisM on Mar 3, 2018 18:57:42 GMT
Just 3 weeks to go until the action (?) kicks off for 2018 in Australia on 25 March.
I'm sure that Sav could write a good build-up, but signs are that M-B are going to be fastest again, closely followed by Ferrari and Red Bull. Honda appear to have cracked their reliability woes even if they are still a little down on power.
I'm prepared to do the scoring etc as per last year and it would be good to get a decent number of players again.
If there are no better offers or suggestions, I'll post the predictions and discussions thread in about a week (I'll be away for the week-end when the race itself takes place).
All set?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 22:48:16 GMT
I am in and hoping to do better but I have to actually make entries, I slipped quite a bit last year.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 4, 2018 7:35:51 GMT
All set.
My god, that scaffolding round the driver looks ridiculous.
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Post by humphreythepug on Mar 6, 2018 14:54:28 GMT
I'm in, I did tend to tail off towards the end of the season last year though.
The final year that it is available on C4 too.
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 6, 2018 15:25:42 GMT
I'm in but I've lost interest in F1 a little since the introduction of halo which to my mind look ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 16:16:34 GMT
Is it due to start again soon?
Having looked, I see it is. Cars look ridiculous, sound dull and it's status quo ante, it seems. If free-to-air ends next year, I suspect the viewing figures will be disappearing up the new owners' arses.
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Post by johnc on Mar 6, 2018 16:30:40 GMT
I'm in again but agree that there is more chance of F1 imploding in the next couple of years than there has ever been before: it happens to nearly all businesses that venture capitalists get involved with.
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Post by Andy C on Mar 6, 2018 19:14:42 GMT
Have they bought back a decent sounding engine yet ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 23:09:31 GMT
I hear there will be a lot of nice sounding engines, in the car park sadly.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 8, 2018 10:22:51 GMT
I'm in again but agree that there is more chance of F1 imploding in the next couple of years than there has ever been before: it happens to nearly all businesses that venture capitalists get involved with. Bernie waits in the wings.......
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Post by Tim on Mar 9, 2018 9:12:29 GMT
Woo hoo, I'm in!!
Thanks Mark.
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Post by Ben on Mar 12, 2018 14:06:51 GMT
It looks like my new job here in Shanghai has taken up quite a lot of my forum time. I will try to post when I can but I can't guarantee I'll do it every race.
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Post by Boxer6 on Mar 12, 2018 20:24:35 GMT
It looks like my new job here in Shanghai has taken up quite a lot of my forum time. I will try to post when I can but I can't guarantee I'll do it every race. It only takes two minutes!! How much sleep does one person need, anyway?
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 12, 2018 21:38:40 GMT
^ You mean, during work time, you are actually working and not free to browse the web
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Post by Sav on Mar 12, 2018 23:33:08 GMT
It will be interesting to see where the top teams stack up in Melbourne. I think the testing might be a tad skewed, because the track was resurfaced prior to testing. The cars were always going to be massively faster, so any usual ill-handling characteristics might have been masked by the super-grippy asphalt.
Mercedes of course look brilliant, I’m not sure about Ferrari. I really hope they have improved their care aerodynamically, so they can challenge Mercedes at tracks like Silverstone and Suzuka. Vettel’s laptimes on the Hyper Super Soft compound were amazing, but perhaps too amazing, because it looked like they were running lower fuel compared to others. Mercedes didn’t really do mock qualifying runs.
F1 is very good at shooting itself in the shoot, and the 3-engine limit for 2018 might be another good attempt. I just don’t see what F1 gains from only giving each driver three engines for twenty-one races. It’s quite worrying that the FIA don’t realise where the cost is coming from. Since 2014 the R&D into these engines has been astronomical, then factor in further engine restrictions, which just drives up development costs. I actually agreed with Ferrari at the end of last year, they vetoed an attempt to allow greater engine allocation for 2018. Why should the engine manufacturers throw away a load of development, because people suddenly realised how ridiculous the 2018 allocation was? I fear Red Bull will be hampered by more Renault unreliability as the engines age, which would be a shame, because the Red Bull looks like a competitive machine. The reduction in engine allocation actually gives Mercedes a bigger advantage, because they have the most reliable power unit by some margin. Nobody is suggesting going back to fresh engines for every race, every qualifying session and every practice session. However, the engine allocation has gone berserk quite frankly. The sport needs to stop tinkering here and there with pretend cost cutting measures. Conveniently, nobody suggests cutting back on aerodynamic development….I really don’t see what wing development actually achieves.
I was watching some of the testing earlier last week, and following another car looks more difficult than ever before. If I were running things, I would prioritise that, and solely that. I believe if you lessen that problem, other aspects such as more competitive racing will emerge. If front wings need to go, or be standardised, so be it. Ross Brawn wants to reduce the level of turbulence that drivers currently experience, and his point was valid. F1 has never really tested cars in a wind tunnel to see the actual impact of turbulence. If Ross is allowed to do his job without interference, I am hopeful we can see a racier F1.
Liberty is changing the promotion and marketing of Formula One, but the acid test will be the new regulations in 2021. They will encounter a lot of vested interests, from engine manufacturers wanting to keep the status quo, or teams who insist on high downforce levels. Liberty needs to set out its stall, this is F1 in 2021; a racing car with a proper engine that excites people, and no more front wings. If teams threaten to race in Formula E, its worth risking for a better F1. FE is barley watched, so teams can race in their own quiet bubble if they wish. FE is extremely popular with manufacturers, but less so with actual fans. The viewership and trackside attendance hasn't really grown, despite the hype around it.
These are also the fattest F1 cars I can remember, halo included. I want the return of 600kg F1 cars.
Pirelli deserve a lot of credit for trying to shake things up. The 2018 cars will have even more downforce, so overtaking is unfortunately going to be difficult. However, if Pirelli’s new compounds deliver more degradation, perhaps races won’t be such a slam dunk every time. F1 won’t be shedding its vast aero anytime soon. Therefore, the only realistic way to neutralise that aero is to introduce greater levels of varying mechanical grip.
I was watching the IndyCar season opener yesterday, what an eye-opener it was. They have massively reduced downforce, and it was so much better for it. Drivers were squirming under braking, and sideways out. IndyCar is effectively a spec championship, except for the engine. However, with racing so entertaining, and drivers grappling for control at every turn, the lack of technical development is worth sacrificing for an outstanding on-track product.
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Post by Ben on Mar 13, 2018 11:55:52 GMT
^ You mean, during work time, you are actually working and not free to browse the web Yeah, it was a surprise to me too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 18:50:39 GMT
Sav, we had an improvement in aero balance but have gone backwards. The engine limit does seem a little daft considering the greatest impact of F1 on the environment is the bloody cargo aircraft taking the teams around the world. They could limit this by making the calender more sensible. I hope they sort the financial side without Ferrari and others crying, that would make it easier for smaller teams to remain solvent which might extend the appeal long term. Messing about with regulations and stuff like fan boost could well be an end to F1 for me at least. Fingers crossed that McLaren can end their uncompetitive streak, it's been long enough.
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Post by Eff One on Mar 16, 2018 9:22:15 GMT
I will try and play this year.
Despite the headline testing times, the consensus seems to be that Merc are ahead by quite a margin, as much as half a second. So the battle will be between Ferrari and Red Bull, and the midfield which has had a major shake-up. I reckon the most anxious team in the paddock is Williams - saddled with what looks like a tricky new car and the weakest race driver lineup in the field.
I hear that Liberty are trying to engineer some sort of deal with Sky to make their new streaming service available in the UK in 2019. I hope that comes off. I'd pay £10 a month to subscribe to a dedicated F1 service, but Sky F1 only comes as part of a bundle which costs a minimum of £40 per month - a massive own goal.
I also hope that Liberty and the FIA grow some balls, and invite all the teams to compete on a level playing field. Time somebody stood up to Ferrari in particular, it's absolute lunacy that any competitor has the power to manipulate the rules. I couldn't care less if they left F1 personally, I've never liked the way they go racing and their arrogance is breathtaking. Interesting to see quite a groundswell of similar sentiment on social media, along the lines of 'don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out...'.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 16, 2018 10:41:32 GMT
I will try and play this year. I also hope that Liberty and the FIA grow some balls, and invite all the teams to compete on a level playing field. Time somebody stood up to Ferrari in particular, it's absolute lunacy that any competitor has the power to manipulate the rules. I couldn't care less if they left F1 personally, I've never liked the way they go racing and their arrogance is breathtaking. Interesting to see quite a groundswell of similar sentiment on social media, along the lines of 'don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out...'. Yeah, because Mercedes are really setting the example of fairness and level playing field aren't they? Motorsport is about the ability to use your advantage to the full: it's why in MotoGP Rossi has just signed another 2 year contract that will take him to 41: it's nothing to do with the fact that he won one race last year and hasn't won a title in years it's because he has the commercial pull to be able to do that. Ferrari are the same in F1. They "get away with it it" because they can justify doing so.
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Post by johnc on Mar 16, 2018 13:45:54 GMT
For the first time in my life I am going to get to watch F1 on Sky! A friend who works for a related company had an opportunity to introduce new subscribers for the full everything package incl SkyQ for £40/mth for 18mths. Felt I couldn't say no but after 18mths, I might need to say goodbye unless they will give me another deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 14:25:51 GMT
I will try and play this year. I also hope that Liberty and the FIA grow some balls, and invite all the teams to compete on a level playing field. Time somebody stood up to Ferrari in particular, it's absolute lunacy that any competitor has the power to manipulate the rules. I couldn't care less if they left F1 personally, I've never liked the way they go racing and their arrogance is breathtaking. Interesting to see quite a groundswell of similar sentiment on social media, along the lines of 'don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out...'. Yeah, because Mercedes are really setting the example of fairness and level playing field aren't they? Motorsport is about the ability to use your advantage to the full: it's why in MotoGP Rossi has just signed another 2 year contract that will take him to 41: it's nothing to do with the fact that he won one race last year and hasn't won a title in years it's because he has the commercial pull to be able to do that. Ferrari are the same in F1. They "get away with it it" because they can justify doing so. All the more reason to stand up to the big teams, if they leave, will the racing get worse? Merc are making the most of the current rules in the same way others do but a budget cap would level the field and I think it should be all the better for it. The biggest quote in F1 that I recall clearly is the oft quoted Ferrari justifying their hold on the rules by saying "Ferrari is good for F1, better than F1 is good for Ferrari". Ferrari will not leave while they are less competitive, just as they will not leave when they are winning. Addiction?
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Post by Sav on Mar 19, 2018 23:46:53 GMT
Mike, downforce was indeed reduced for 2014. Mainly because the 2014 regulations were such a drastic change, the exhaust blowing which was perfected with the V8’s was not possible with the V6’s. Of course, the FIA wanted that area clamped down on as well, rear downforce particularly suffered. Not by coincidence, the racing in 2014 was pretty good, if not the competition. Cars could follow each other; we had battles for the win. I say unfortunately, others say fortunately, but the cars just kept increasing downforce from 2015, and I think that had a detrimental impact on the racing.
Less downforce would also negate the need for ever-increasing run off areas. Understandably, the FIA will have to keep increasing run-off areas as the cars keep getting faster around corners. But everyone is fed up with large run-off areas. With less downforce, drivers wouldn’t dream about carrying so much apex speed, instead, having to take a bigger lift or even brake, therefore approaching the corner at a lesser rate. And if something does go wrong, the driver would need less run-off to have an accident, because they are going slower in the first place.
The IndyCar race last week was a revelation. They considerably cut downforce over the winter. The cars could follow so much more effectively, the braking zones lengthened, and it looked a bit scary to be frank, as drivers corrected the oversteer on corner exit. The cars were obviously slower with less suction, but because the cars were moving around so much, they looked alive. One didn’t really notice they were slower, or care.
I don’t understand where the desire for three engines stems from. If it cut costs, I could sort of see the logic. The FIA need to understand that the volume of supply is not the issue; it’s the near limitless development that has kept costs high. We’re not back in 2004, with teams throwing new engines and gearboxes at every session. I think everyone accepts the need for limitations on engines and gearboxes, but proportionality is critical. The real losers will be the spectators, who will simply see less on-track action. It will be bad for promoters too, who rely on Friday ticket sales. This also isn’t endurance racing. When Hamilton and Vettel battle it out this season, nobody cares how many engines either driver has used. Whenever one sees an F1 car shunt backwards into something, you just know it will be a gearbox change and a grid penalty. It’s just a sorry state of affairs.
I don’t think that Ferrari is the main issue at present, not in isolation anyway. In my opinion, the other engine manufacturers want what Ferrari wants. They want to retain high-cost development, road-relevant engines which are hybridised from 2021. It is amusing to see Toto Wolff say that Ferrari’s concerns must be listened; only because your concerns diverge!
The likes of Renault have endured years of pain since 2014, and that pain will continue. However, because F1 currently has an engine development formula, they can justify a lack of competitiveness because they can develop their engine with relative freedom. As soon as the old V8’s became frozen in terms of development, manufacturers left. Last time it was Toyota, Honda and BMW. Unless we have insanely loud engines for 2021 with a higher rev-limit, I think we could shed a few manufacturers without much consequence. They need to enter Formula E if they want trendy road relevance.
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Post by Tim on Mar 20, 2018 13:02:09 GMT
I watched about 5 minutes of the Formula E race from Uruguay at the weekend. That was enough for me thanks. I'm sure the track - a narrow and twisty street circuit with barriers all the way - didn't help but there was no aural drama and it reminded me of a Formula 3 race.
F1 needed to make a change a while back as in cost terms they were going crazy, I remember reading Williams' qualifying spec exhaust manifolds that were made of some form of unobtanium, cost a load of money and were only good for about 5 laps, all in the name of saving something ridiculous like 500 grammes. I expect most of the current engine cost comes from the development of them rather than the manufacture?
As well as a reduction in downforce I'd like to see an increase in braking areas - hitting the brakes for a hairpin at the 100m board from 200mph doesn't leave much margin, that's the reason they had to create something artificial like DRS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 13:17:42 GMT
I wonder about the lack of freedom being a limiting factor. When there was more choice of engine type it meant fuel use could be prioritised for an accepted strategy but would rather see a goal limit for emissions and fuel use while removing the restrictions on engine type.
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