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Post by Nelson on Dec 10, 2017 17:07:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 23:46:00 GMT
Perhaps some more colours and angles but, meh.
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Post by humphreythepug on Dec 11, 2017 8:09:02 GMT
I'm not sure yet, it's almost like a schoolboys wet dream to look at.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 8:39:45 GMT
The grey one has a certain something, but I'm not sure about milking the Senna name.
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Post by michael on Dec 11, 2017 10:09:24 GMT
The grey one has a certain something, but I'm not sure about milking the Senna name. McLaren have worked hard to make the most incredible, focussed car they can - I'd like to think they're honouring the Senna name. That said I think it looks absolutely horrible but then the looks are like that for a reason. I've never really been drawn to this sort of car. |
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Post by Blarno on Dec 11, 2017 10:28:20 GMT
Hideous.
But then, taste and wealth rarely go hand in hand nowadays.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 11, 2017 11:02:22 GMT
Could that be any more of an aesthetic mess?
Not sure how Senna played any part in it, unless they mean Bruno. Not sure anyone from the McLaren Senna era is even capable of much anymore, even if they are still at Woking.
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Post by Tim on Dec 11, 2017 13:33:34 GMT
Unpleasant. On the roof switch thing I refer you to the universal panning Alfa got for putting thr window switches in the roof on the 75 in the 1980s. Obviously it's MUCH better to bury them between the seats like many other manufacturers have done over the years  |
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Post by Ben on Dec 11, 2017 13:44:55 GMT
That looks amateurish.
Does nobody hire designers anymore?
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Post by michael on Dec 11, 2017 13:50:21 GMT
That looks amateurish. Does nobody hire designers anymore? They do. The senior designer McLaren is called Rob and he's a really nice guy. This is an exercise in engineering, the styling is secondary to the performance requirements. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 11, 2017 13:55:42 GMT
That looks amateurish. Does nobody hire designers anymore? They do. The senior designer McLaren is called Rob and he's a really nice guy. This is an exercise in engineering, the styling is secondary to the performance requirements.
I understand that and find it massively pointless that the companies go to all that trouble and expense and then when you see these products (Ferrari Apertas, etc) at 5 years old they've done, at most, 1,000 miles.
I know there's always the trackday reason trotted out but on the last one of those I was at the most expensive/exotic cars were either a Maserati 4200 GT or B7 (?) RS4 Avant. Neither of which were being pushed to a large degree.
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Post by michael on Dec 11, 2017 14:03:34 GMT
If they're happy to buy them though? How many Rolex Submariners go deeper than a bath tub? I think to castigate these high-end products for pushing the boundaries but not being used misses the point.
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Post by Tim on Dec 11, 2017 14:08:46 GMT
No, I don't think they shouldn't be made just that it must be frustrating for the engineers of the companies if they ever actually think about it in future years - their hard work is simply being used as an investment tool by the usually hand-chosen buyers, the only time the engineering is actually used is most likely to be during development and during magazine road testing.
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Post by michael on Dec 11, 2017 14:13:35 GMT
True, it's an issue with the customer not the car. The learning is there though and some of it will filter through to other stuff.
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 11, 2017 15:45:16 GMT
Not for me at all, but glad it exists, if only to show off British design and engineering.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 11, 2017 16:13:31 GMT
That looks amateurish. Does nobody hire designers anymore? They do. The senior designer McLaren is called Rob and he's a really nice guy. This is an exercise in engineering, the styling is secondary to the performance requirements. I'd always prefer engineering-lead design over something that is compromised due to a stylist's whim. |
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Post by scouse on Dec 12, 2017 12:37:23 GMT
I can't stand 'downforce' led & styled cars - this, that Gumpert thing, Glickenhuas' SG3 etc. If you can't do it with a single rear spoiler and a front airdam/splitter then you can stick it.
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Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2017 14:33:04 GMT
I can't stand 'downforce' led & styled cars - this, that Gumpert thing, Glickenhuas' SG3 etc. If you can't do it with a single rear spoiler and a front airdam/splitter then you can stick it.
More annoying to me is the number of cars that have fake diffusers at the back, usually just a bit of finned black plastic at the bottom of the bumper.
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Post by michael on Dec 12, 2017 15:31:44 GMT
I can't stand 'downforce' led & styled cars - this, that Gumpert thing, Glickenhuas' SG3 etc. If you can't do it with a single rear spoiler and a front airdam/splitter then you can stick it.
More annoying to me is the number of cars that have fake diffusers at the back, usually just a bit of finned black plastic at the bottom of the bumper.
The best is the Mercedes C class that has a sort of diffuser with fake exhausts! |
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Post by Tim on Dec 12, 2017 15:49:07 GMT
Yes.
They copied that off Renault who did something similar on some versions of the previous shape Clio.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 2:17:29 GMT
The diffuser on the Clio 197 actually worked. Apparently it produced about 40kg of downforce at 70mph.
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Post by Tim on Dec 15, 2017 12:05:15 GMT
I wasn't think of the 197, I've seen the silly little silver plastic bits in the bottom centre of the bumper on lesser Clios.
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