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Post by Big Blue on Nov 2, 2017 15:53:23 GMT
One for Chris M, really.
Looking at getting the Canon M6 body and an adaptor so I can use my L-Series lenses if I so choose, but have the smaller physical camera body that could be used for family days out. Current is a 70D body and the sensor in the M6 is newer and seemingly better; also does 7-9 fps dependent on AF settings, has an optional digital viewfinder (which is madly expensive!) and also shoots HD video (but no 4k).
Is the size differential worth it if we consider that it would allow one camera and a lens or two on holiday and just the camera with an EF-M lens for days out? Battery life is one concern: the M6 is less than half the shots per charge compared to the 70D.
Or should I flog all my Canon kit and buy an Olympus PEN?, which I must say looks to be the dogs bollocks!
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Post by alf on Nov 2, 2017 16:24:44 GMT
Interesting concept - so this is a 4/3 format or "bridge" camera that takes Canon SLR lenses? To anyone with a decent stock of L series Canon lenses kicking about, and some smallish primes too in my case, that is interesting.
I have often pondered getting a good compact, but in truth I don't mind carrying a DSLR around when the results are as amazing as with the EOS6D, and when I don't have it, phone cameras are pretty good for wide angle stuff these days - especially as we view on screens not print now and they fare well there.
Would be interested to know your thoughts if you get one! If you don't take it on holiday, what is the full-fat DSLR for? I pretty much only use mine on holiday, and as soon as I got the 6D I wanted to re-take every photo I have ever taken, the results were so good....
It's a bit like guns in my original line of work for me - if you are going to carry one, carry one that's going to do the business when you need it, not piss you off.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 2, 2017 16:42:18 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 2, 2017 17:06:54 GMT
I use the big SLR for motorsport mainly. Last year when I went to the Czech MotoGP on the off chance that we were in Slovakia at the time I got some severe grief for taking the body, lenses etc as this took up a chunk of hand luggage. I also do find it easier to just shoot with the Lumix or iPhone when out and about but then that feels like I'm not getting the usage out of the DSLR outside of a few events a year, so my mentality is that if I buy a CSC (as Racing pointed out, this is now the name the industry has given them) that can take the place of the Lumix and atlas one decent lens can replace the Sony HD Camcorder, as the M6 can just double up as camcorder (most video we now take is on iPhone anyway!)
Incidentally, I read that exact article Racing posted about two days ago. Small place, the internet....
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 2, 2017 21:56:58 GMT
The M6 is more-than-OK if you want to use your existing lenses. Ultimately there is nothing quite like a DSLR for speed of response and image quality.
I've not decided yet what to take to Denmark with me when I leave on Saturday morning; ideally it would be the D5500 but I may settle for the Lumix micro 4/3rds CSC a I can then take a wide angle zoom and telephoto and get all 3 lenses and the body into a small shoulder bag. If I take the Nikon it would be with Tamron's 16-300 lens only, I think. Decisions, decisions.....
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Post by alf on Nov 3, 2017 9:02:52 GMT
If there was a really high quality Canon SLR zoom lens than was something like 28-85mm (or more) in old full-frame money, and was very compact, that would make this sort of camera work for me as you could then take it and one lens.
The trouble is, it would need to be a good one, and then probably weigh a ton like my 24-105 L Canon, which is utterly incredible but weighty and with a huge front element. The difference in image quality, even viewed on an average PC screen, between shots taken with the good L lenses and the cooking SLR lenses is instantly recogniseable and massive.
Even prime lenses are often huge now - I have a 20mm Canon that is large (and average quality wise). The 24mm Canon is small, but not wide enough on a 4/3 format camera. Do they still use an APS-C sensor size, or one even smaller?
In the good old days of film SLR bodies, especially slightly older ones, I could carry a camera like the Olympus OM1 and a prime lens easily, even on a bike in the mountains. A really compact yet quality zoom would allow that with this sort of camera, yet you couls use the bigger lenses when needed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 9:14:03 GMT
I have 2 OM-10 which I have had for a loooooooong time and a small Panasonic digital, they will do me. I have a stock of 35mm film in the fridge because I have been told it lasts longer that way (Camera club some time ago). I do nmot take enough pictures to invest in anything newer but find it fascinating finding out about the kit out there now. I find the newer digital camera's look more and more like 35mm SLR as time goes on, is there a reason for this?
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 3, 2017 10:04:26 GMT
I've got that 24-105 L-series lens and agree: it's the bollocks, hence me wanting the M6 so I can keep lenses for as and when.
As to sensors: they use the same ones as the DSLRs I understand.
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Post by alf on Nov 3, 2017 12:56:00 GMT
That will mean they use the APS-C sized ones the consumer SLR's use then.... Good DSLR's use a full frame sensor (35mm) and for landscape/travel use especially it makes a big difference. For zooms and for video some of the APS-C DSLR's are great.
Going back to a "full frame" SLR with a 35mm sensor, I have loved the bigger viewfinder image, and the fact that lens numbers make sense to me again. After years of 35mm film SLR's I understood that 50mm would look about how the eye sees things, higher numbers are zoom, 24mm is about what I want for landscapes, etc. Having to take the lens number and times it by 1.6 to make up for the smaller APS-C sized sensor on my EOS20D before I knew what I was dealing with was a PITA, and there was something about the look of using the cropped middle part of a very wide angle lens to approximate a 24mm that I did not like.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 3, 2017 13:48:09 GMT
I've got that 24-105 L-series lens and agree: it's the bollocks, hence me wanting the M6 so I can keep lenses for as and when. As to sensors: they use the same ones as the DSLRs I understand. In that case, go ahead and get the M6 plus lens adapter... unless you decide that it's easier and cheaper to just take the 70D you already have ! |
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 3, 2017 14:40:35 GMT
In that case, go ahead and get the M6 plus lens adapter... unless you decide that it's easier and cheaper to just take the 70D you already have ! I must say I might be taking that option, unless I hold an M6 and decide I like the feel of it. I'm using the 70D tomorrow for T4's birthday instead of the Panasonic. Maybe the £400-500 might buy (yet) another lens instead of another body.... |
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