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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 8:58:43 GMT
Today's courtesy car, about which there isn't tons to report:
A bit aggressive at the front, though the plate might be a nod to the typical Audi driver.
Too busy inside for my tastes.
Some of the plastics are certainly not what they used to be, with the stalks a particular low.
Feels very solidly-made, and the ride quality issue is clearly a thing of the past, but the steering being largely disconnected is a definite no-no.
So, I'll stick with The Codger, I think.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 3, 2017 9:53:20 GMT
Attractive looking thing but then I fail to see why everyone gets so excited by Audi interiors, that centre console looks like it belongs in a Fiesta
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 3, 2017 10:16:38 GMT
I don't like these new full-length vents Audi and VW have come up with. I find they look curiously dated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 10:34:16 GMT
Ditto the climate control stuff. Design for design's sake.
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Post by Tim on Oct 3, 2017 11:05:05 GMT
I'm also not keen on the nailed-on screen, what's wrong with integrating it?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 3, 2017 11:57:43 GMT
I'm also not keen on the nailed-on screen, what's wrong with integrating it? Does it not fold away electrically? Mine did on my 13 plate one. It was quite a classy way of doing it.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 3, 2017 12:08:33 GMT
I don't like these new full-length vents Audi and VW have come up with. I find they look curiously dated. So dated infacft, that it bears an uncanny resenblance to the vents on the Audi 100 C2 range from the 1970s.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 3, 2017 17:48:50 GMT
Attractive looking thing but then I fail to see why everyone gets so excited by Audi interiors, that centre console looks like it belongs in a Fiesta That about sums up Audi inners since, well, for ever really. Only ever driven 2 (I think) Audis, which were a 2007 A3 TDI S-Line and a 2009 A4 Avant (Diesel also, unsurprisingly) but sat a quite a few over the years and never really did "get" the whole gushing euphoria about the perceived quality of them. For the (over)price(d) point then maybe they were a bit better screwed together, but anything lower in the range than 'S' or 'RS' level, not S-LINE, was no better in my eyes than similar specced BMW's or Mercs (well, mostly in Mercedes' case!) Most cars these days are way too fussy to my eyes, the Toyota C-HR I just handed back today while the Legacy was being fixed being a case in point; far too many warning lights, buzzers and flashing icons, multiple sub-menus (and separate menus entirely!) to access some really quite basic functions and altogether too much "stuff" taking your eyes away from where they should be - on the road! Add to the fact that any sort of proper life-saver in cars of this type is virtually impossible, and you have a car I will actively refuse if ever offered one again.
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Post by Martin on Oct 3, 2017 18:56:50 GMT
Attractive looking thing but then I fail to see why everyone gets so excited by Audi interiors, that centre console looks like it belongs in a Fiesta I've thought that for years. The column stalks look like the ones on the A3, they are very cheap feeling. The exterior design is good, just needs the black pack to tone the grille down.
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Post by PG on Oct 3, 2017 19:49:51 GMT
I think that in 2000 or so, Audi interiors were a cut above. Like this B6 (2000-2006) A4 interior. It looks cohesive. That new one looks like several bits from the parts bin stuck together badly. So, in reality, Audi have been living off that past glory.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 3, 2017 20:14:31 GMT
Audi interiors peaked with the original TT and the second gen A8.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 3, 2017 22:03:11 GMT
But it's an Audi so I want one badly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 7:44:59 GMT
I think that in 2000 or so, Audi interiors were a cut above. Like this B6 (2000-2006) A4 interior. It looks cohesive. That new one looks like several bits from the parts bin stuck together badly. So, in reality, Audi have been living off that past glory. If that's not a B7, I'll be very surprised. Barring steering wheel, wrong-hand drive and a few small RS touches, that's my car!
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Post by michael on Oct 4, 2017 8:35:49 GMT
The interior does look a step backwards, not least because the lower half of the dashboard appears to be missing. I wonder if that last shot parked across the driveway should be in another thread? Could easily be an unmarked response car stopped on a raid.
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Post by johnc on Oct 4, 2017 9:34:33 GMT
I think all manufacturers are downgrading the quality where they can. My W124 Merc had dials and switches that had almost imperceptible but seriously quality clicks like a top end Swiss watch. Ever since then the quality has been downhill in so many ways. My car no longer has the very neat folding door pockets from the E92 and the new 5 series I drove recently had cheap steering wheel buttons, lower dash cubby and indicator and wiper stalks which felt significantly less robust than my car.
I don't think much of the wide air vents on the new A4 either but I'm not quite as upset with the satnav screen which frees up a lot of dash space when it isn't fully integrated and as a result, it can be larger.
I don't really see much difference between BMW, Audi and Mercedes when it comes to the quality of materials these days but the designs are different enough to give choice. However I have heard that the current C Class is known for having the kinds of creaks and rattles that used to drive us all nuts 20 years ago - progress?
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 4, 2017 10:11:55 GMT
Ditto the climate control stuff. Design for design's sake. This is where we're at with interiors now I think. How much "different" or "better" can they be? All the issues with interior air handling has long ago been solved, control of the hi-fi and other facilities is largely the same (the gesture thing on BMWs and others is gimmickry to prove how well it worked in the first place!) and generally a move away from accepted ergonomics will now just be reported in journals as "an ergonomic disaster" or "anachronism". I'd sound like Clarkson when he kitted that S-Class out like a country cottage if I said "we know what comfort feels like from our experience in our own living rooms". Hence cars need to look exciting on the outside and have powertrains that stir us, either with their poke or frugality.
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Post by Martin on Oct 4, 2017 10:15:10 GMT
I've heard that about the C Class too and Evo were complaining about the rattles in the group test with the C63.
I agree that BMW/Audi:Mercedes interior quality is all pretty similar now and in the 3/5 Series size range at least, is going backwards.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 4, 2017 10:53:56 GMT
Audi interiors peaked with the original TT and the second gen A8. I have to say the interior quality on the original A3 (I had a 1.8T Quattro-flavoured one and then an S3) was really very good. Likewise on the original A6 Allroads and the B7 RS4 my father had.
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Post by Tim on Oct 4, 2017 10:56:47 GMT
A friend had a 60 plate Q7 and I was very surprised at the vast expanse of pretty cheap looking plastic between me and the windscreen. He's subsequently on his 2nd current-shape RS6 but I really can't remember much about the interior look/feel - I was staring out of the windscreen in mild fear!
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 4, 2017 11:48:33 GMT
Audi interiors peaked with the original TT and the second gen A8. I have to say the interior quality on the original A3 (I had a 1.8T Quattro-flavoured one and then an S3) was really very good. Likewise on the original A6 Allroads and the B7 RS4 my father had. I was probably being marginally unfair. It’s just that I recall both of those being particularly good.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 4, 2017 11:59:50 GMT
I've heard that about the C Class too and Evo were complaining about the rattles in the group test with the C63. I agree that BMW/Audi:Mercedes interior quality is all pretty similar now and in the 3/5 Series size range at least, is going backwards. Well now we see market forces at play. The interior-quality-to-gain-sales race was a key component in the German dominance in the "premium" sector. Now that has been levelled across the German premium market (BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz) the race is now how-far-can-we-reduce-quality without-losing-market-share. In the first race one might argue Audi started it with fabulous interiors and now Merc has commenced the second race by making inferior interiors and the others are following suit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 14:40:28 GMT
But it's an Audi so I want one badly. You're only supposed to do that if you own a Skoda/SEAT/Volkswagen...
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Post by franki68 on Oct 12, 2017 13:53:59 GMT
Who makes decent steering now ? Aston have gone electric so only mclaren now use hydraulic system? I think the current gen porsche steering by a mile the best electric system,but any Audi,bmw or merc I have driven recently has been turd steering wise. I didn’t like the steering on the 335 at first but then when I was using it every day it didn’t bother me as much,but now I can directly compare it to the 911 it is terrible ,it doesn’t feel connected at all .
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