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Post by Alex on Nov 19, 2024 23:02:49 GMT
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2024 7:13:51 GMT
Remarkably generic and unimaginative.
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Post by johnc on Nov 20, 2024 8:15:59 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 20, 2024 11:27:03 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way. No doubt we will be priced off the road, another nail in the freedom coffin of course. Now the last time I saw the the PM's cavalcade in London, there must have been 3 unmarked Full Fat Rangies, Supported by 4 Marked Police Cars of various SUV material and 4 or 6 Bike Outriders. So clearly a case of do as I say not as I do. Twunts. As for Jag, have we not had the spy shots of a very large saloon doing the rounds in the last few days. Hopefully it will be an epic looking thing but why a massive saloon at probably 100K plus. Do they not know that even Porsche are struggling in this market. Would an E or F-Pace replacement not have been the most important vehicle to go for a re-launch with.
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Post by alf on Nov 20, 2024 11:38:20 GMT
It's all quite worrying if you care for Jaguar's future. I saw the spy shots as well - if it really is another >£100k massive EV saloon, who wants it? People want massive SUV's (because they are dickheads admittedly). Even more so they want smaller SUV's and crossover type things (reasons unknown since they handle like shite and have no more space inside than a normal hatch). A sort of electric E-Pace would seem logical. If they hadn't messed up their own naming conventions, they could even have called it.... E-Pace.
In an era of expensive credit, expensive electricity, and a cost of living crisis, who is buying >£100k EV cars. In volume? And what will the retained value on this be? 50% after 2 years if they are lucky? Say it's £120k and loses half of that in 2 years. Do the maths on the monthlies, adding in interest. And tax, And public charging that's no cheaper than petrol. How big is that market exactly?
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 20, 2024 12:11:08 GMT
Sorry, I thought this was a p take but have been over to Pistonheads and see this is the re-brand. They look exceptionally desperate to leave behind the whiff of old Jag. Looks more like a Prada ad. Anyway the new logo also sucks. Don't know how much they paid some marketing agency to come up with jaGuar.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2024 12:25:00 GMT
Don't forget that, when we've all gone electric, the Government will be able to disable all cars at the flick of a central switch, or geofence them to prescribed areas. Sounds paranoid but remarkably handy if/when there's another pandemic or social unrest.
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2024 12:28:42 GMT
That is utter crap.
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Post by Alex on Nov 20, 2024 15:18:36 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way. The latter seems an utterly believable direction of travel from Chairman Starmer. Sadly the fact that the car that Jaguar plans to put to market is the ever popular and sought after luxury saloon, I fear your first point may not come to pass. They were ahead of the curve when the iPace came out and it feels like they've utterly squandered a great opportunity to develop a market leading product line.
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2024 16:06:16 GMT
I fear we may never see any new Jaguars especially with the way EV sales and used values are going. However I also fear that Starmer might just try to force change by taxing ICE vehicles off the road in a very dictatorial way. The latter seems an utterly believable direction of travel from Chairman Starmer. Sadly the fact that the car that Jaguar plans to put to market is the ever popular and sought after luxury saloon, I fear your first point may not come to pass. They were ahead of the curve when the iPace came out and it feels like they've utterly squandered a great opportunity to develop a market leading product line. Is that not simply because ALL the focus has been on Land Rover for profitability reasons? Realistically Jaguar's traditional niche has pretty much dissolved - nobody wants saloons (or estates) anymore and RR are renowned for SUVs. I don't think Jaguar have a place now apart from competing in-house.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Nov 20, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
The latter seems an utterly believable direction of travel from Chairman Starmer. Sadly the fact that the car that Jaguar plans to put to market is the ever popular and sought after luxury saloon, I fear your first point may not come to pass. They were ahead of the curve when the iPace came out and it feels like they've utterly squandered a great opportunity to develop a market leading product line. Is that not simply because ALL the focus has been on Land Rover for profitability reasons? Realistically Jaguar's traditional niche has pretty much dissolved - nobody wants saloons (or estates) anymore and RR are renowned for SUVs. I don't think Jaguar have a place now apart from competing in-house. I think JLR are aiming to position Jaguar alongside Bentley and Rolls Royce. Both of those manufacturers have moved into the luxury SUV market, while still building luxury sedans. Range Rover have positioned the full fat RR to compete with these new entrants to their market segment and want to take the fight to Rolls and Bentley in their traditional market segment. I don't think the Range Rover brand is the one to do that, hence the use of Jaguar and the huge jump in price. I expect low volumes and high profit margins. Let's face it if jaguar only sold one car and made a profit on it that would surpass their financial performance over the last 20 years.
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