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Post by alf on Oct 8, 2024 9:30:13 GMT
Next week the Boxster goes in for the following at Northway Porsche. Without me giving any steers as to my expectations (which are always exceeded anyway) what do you reckon the following will be:
-Minor service (not needed one year after another minor as its on 2 year gaps, but if its going in its getting fresh oil!) -Brake pads/discs all round and fluid -mend the FNS suspension - I'm expecting it to be just arms/bushes not a (adaptive) shock but we'll see -new battery -add missing bit of ducting around NSF radiators behind bumper (was always missing on mine) ?
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 8, 2024 9:36:56 GMT
What are the brakes on the 987about 2K? Maybe just over 4K but your good at saying yes to the extras
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 8, 2024 9:50:06 GMT
I got to £3,700.
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Post by alf on Oct 8, 2024 10:31:17 GMT
Blimey well thats made me a lot more nervous than I was already, but I won't say why for now as it'd spoil the "fun"...
What I can add is this for reference:
The Giulia was £5100 for service/battery/OE brakes/loads of updates (soft and hardware) - at a specialist (so no cheaper than Alfa, but they actually know the car, unlike most AR dealers)
The Jaguar wss £2500 for OE brakes and battery alone, at a local garage and claiming he got a big discount on the parts and passed it on
So far in 4 years the Boxster has had two services, one "major" one "minor" but always other bits like coils, HT leads, xenon bulbs, coolant pipes, exhaust bolts - each time was £944
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 8, 2024 10:39:52 GMT
The alfa dealer has quoted me £3,450 inc vat for the brakes on the Giulia, tempted to source the parts as someone has agreed to fit for about £300. Do you know what the labour charge was on the brakes when you did them through the specialist?
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Post by Tim on Oct 8, 2024 11:31:10 GMT
The fact its going to a Porsche franchise is going to add significantly to the bill isn't it?
I reckon £4,750 allowing for a couple of 'what about this Sir?' items that Alf will agree to.
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Post by Martin on Oct 8, 2024 11:45:51 GMT
I think Northway Porsche is a specialist, so on that basis £1,450 for the service and brakes (assuming genuine Porsche and not an upgrade you get talked into…), which is cheating a bit as my local specialist which we used for brakes has online menu pricing….
So £2k plus some ‘minor’ bits, let’s call it £2.5k
Servicing, tyres and warranty costs I understand, other than that I really don’t know as I’ve not had to spend anything outside that since front discs/pads on the Boxster back in 2016.
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Post by johnc on Oct 8, 2024 12:02:30 GMT
Having a quick Google has left me surprised by how cheap proper discs and pads are for the 981.
I think the suspension is the worrying one but somewhere about £3K including VAT.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 8, 2024 12:24:49 GMT
Blimey well thats made me a lot more nervous than I was already, but I won't say why for now as it'd spoil the "fun"... What I can add is this for reference: The Giulia was £5100 for service/battery/OE brakes/loads of updates (soft and hardware) - at a specialist (so no cheaper than Alfa, but they actually know the car, unlike most AR dealers) The Jaguar wss £2500 for OE brakes and battery alone, at a local garage and claiming he got a big discount on the parts and passed it on So far in 4 years the Boxster has had two services, one "major" one "minor" but always other bits like coils, HT leads, xenon bulbs, coolant pipes, exhaust bolts - each time was £944 My mind is truly boggled at these figures. My casual trawling of Autotrader looking at used Boxsters has now come to an end. Then again, that Giulia servicing only amounts to 10 new drivers for golf.
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Post by alf on Oct 8, 2024 14:32:37 GMT
My mind is truly boggled at these figures. My casual trawling of Autotrader looking at used Boxsters has now come to an end. Then again, that Giulia servicing only amounts to 10 new drivers for golf. The Boxster has cost less than £500 a year in servicing in 4 years, and that has put you off The tax is higher (that might...). but the insurance a lot less. It's a near-20 year old Porsche remember, and its never missed a beat. I think thats amazing. Don't worry about these drama queens, it'll be fine (on the brakes front anyway) - they are unbelievably cheap on the 987. For parts anyway. I have noticed with car parts prices - and even menu servicing on old Porsches and so on - there is a suspicious degree of matching the prices to the current car values....... And yes Northway Porsche is indeed a specialist - unlike with AHM and Alfa, I do save a lot that way over OPC prices (which I don't even want to know...). You have to book 3-4 months in advance though.
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Post by alf on Oct 8, 2024 15:15:43 GMT
The alfa dealer has quoted me £3,450 inc vat for the brakes on the Giulia, tempted to source the parts as someone has agreed to fit for about £300. Do you know what the labour charge was on the brakes when you did them through the specialist? It needs full brakes - I hope after my whining on here you got money off for that If I take off the labour for changing the bleed nipples to stainless steel ones (the OEM ones can seize - not that AR dealers will care as they seem to rarely bleed them, and one calliper if they do ) then the labour on the brake change from AHM was £441. I don't know the hourly rate. The parts for the Giulia Quad brakes are silly prices. I'm sure you've seen endless discussion of it but the discs are unique and pretty obvious visually, so while some parts places list cheap solid ones of the wrong size, most are about the same price when its the right thing. The OEM pads are really pricey too, this is where people seem to save a lot, EBC yelllow are used a fair bit. The cheap Brembo ones listed are definitely not the OEM ones and apparanyly feel OK but fade and wear fast. I went OEM as the people I trust (like the AHM guys) rate them and the feel of my old, totally shagged brakes was still superb. I like the feel of them and for the sake of maybe £500 more (I appreciate that's a lot for pads I stuck with it. I've had a few cars where I had issues with the brakes vibrating almost all the time I had the car, then bit the bullet and changed them all not long before getting rid, and I was annoyed with myself. The 330i and red Jaguar both had vibration under heavy braking and both times, after OEM replacements all round, they were perfect. This time I spent the cash up front. In my case I'm accepting that my cars cost me a lot of money (though there is soul searching as per recent thread) and that I want them "right". Yes AHM charged me a lot, but when the fuel pump failed I dumped it on them the next day. Three days later they had fixed it. Without angle grinding off (and not replacing) some of the rear diffuser fixing points as AR dealers sometimes do. And using parts that only they in the UK had at the time, some at AR dealers had cars still under warranty that had been waiting 5 months for the improved fuel pump and module - parked up in their yard all that time being shat on my birds and with the brakes rusting. No one can yet tell me when the new pump and module was standard, it seems a regular fail point for 2.0T cars as well, definitely as late as 19 plates....
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 8, 2024 15:17:35 GMT
£2750
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 8, 2024 15:32:38 GMT
The alfa dealer has quoted me £3,450 inc vat for the brakes on the Giulia, tempted to source the parts as someone has agreed to fit for about £300. Do you know what the labour charge was on the brakes when you did them through the specialist? It needs full brakes - I hope after my whining on here you got money off for that If I take off the labour for changing the bleed nipples to stainless steel ones (the OEM ones can seize - not that AR dealers will care as they seem to rarely bleed them, and one calliper if they do ) then the labour on the brake change from AHM was £441. I don't know the hourly rate. The parts for the Giulia Quad brakes are silly prices. I'm sure you've seen endless discussion of it but the discs are unique and pretty obvious visually, so while some parts places list cheap solid ones of the wrong size, most are about the same price when its the right thing. The OEM pads are really pricey too, this is where people seem to save a lot, EBC yelllow are used a fair bit. The cheap Brembo ones listed are definitely not the OEM ones and apparanyly feel OK but fade and wear fast. I went OEM as the people I trust (like the AHM guys) rate them and the feel of my old, totally shagged brakes was still superb. I like the feel of them and for the sake of maybe £500 more (I appreciate that's a lot for pads I stuck with it. I've had a few cars where I had issues with the brakes vibrating almost all the time I had the car, then bit the bullet and changed them all not long before getting rid, and I was annoyed with myself. The 330i and red Jaguar both had vibration under heavy braking and both times, after OEM replacements all round, they were perfect. This time I spent the cash up front. In my case I'm accepting that my cars cost me a lot of money (though there is soul searching as per recent thread) and that I want them "right". Yes AHM charged me a lot, but when the fuel pump failed I dumped it on them the next day. Three days later they had fixed it. Without angle grinding off (and not replacing) some of the rear diffuser fixing points as AR dealers sometimes do. And using parts that only they in the UK had at the time, some at AR dealers had cars still under warranty that had been waiting 5 months for the improved fuel pump and module - parked up in their yard all that time being shat on my birds and with the brakes rusting. No one can yet tell me when the new pump and module was standard, it seems a regular fail point for 2.0T cars as well, definitely as late as 19 plates.... It needs full brakes, its done 28K which seems not far off the normal rate. The dealer thinks I might get another 6 months but I don't drive like I've got miss daisy in the back and they make a bit of a racket already. Rumbling brakes is never a nice feeling. I did get a good deal on the car knowing it needed brakes and the big service so was about 4K less then trade but I wish I'd got more off!! I thought brakes would be 2k tops.
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Post by Blarno on Oct 9, 2024 8:20:28 GMT
£3250.
Dealer prices are truly baffling. I feel like a fraud charging people £30 an hour for labour.
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Post by Martin on Oct 9, 2024 9:00:09 GMT
£3250. Dealer prices are truly baffling. I feel like a fraud charging people £30 an hour for labour. You really shouldn't. It might sound like a decent amount if it's 'cash in hand', but not when you take off all the costs of employment (pension, holiday, sickness, NI) and on top of that the hourly rate includes overhead/fixed cost recovery.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 9, 2024 9:39:51 GMT
There is a young lad near here who has recently up on his own from a light industrial unit. Related to an established family run garage and helped by his uncle, he is gaining a good reputation.
A few months ago I bought some genuine Benz front discs and pads, with the intention of doing the job myself. In the end lack of time etc. made me ask him to fit them for me. He charged £40.00 labour for the whole job. Not worth getting my hands dirty at that price.
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Post by Tim on Oct 9, 2024 10:31:33 GMT
In light of new information I want to revise my estimate downwards to £2,750
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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2024 17:22:02 GMT
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Post by alf on Oct 10, 2024 21:04:40 GMT
The second and third ones down are yes. The solid ones are the wrong size, though various places list them. Prices on the right discs fluctuate a lot, this seems about right from a discount place…
pad prices vary more and there are not the same discount on the OEM ones, though there are some basic Brembo ones that will fit and are cheap. From the feel of them and the way they eat the discs I’d say the OEM ones are some form of carbon metallic pad…
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Post by PG on Oct 11, 2024 18:41:58 GMT
I await the right answer with baited breath....
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Post by alf on Oct 14, 2024 8:29:09 GMT
I'm dropping it off tonight (then running 10 miles back along the canal).... Probably won#t pick it up until Friday so we'll see then!
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Post by rodge on Oct 14, 2024 18:46:20 GMT
I meant to comment sooner on this thread, I am slightly disappointed that we aren’t pricing it in “Alf’s”. I’m guessing £3,750 or around 4 Alf’s, if my memory serves me correctly!
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 15, 2024 7:12:31 GMT
I’ve awoke in an optimistic mood. £2200.
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Post by Tim on Oct 15, 2024 7:44:20 GMT
I meant to comment sooner on this thread, I am slightly disappointed that we aren’t pricing it in “Alf’s”. I’m guessing £3,750 or around 4 Alf’s, if my memory serves me correctly! I thought an ALF was around £4,750 so your guess would be 0.8 ALFs but my memory isn't what it used to be.....
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Post by bryan on Oct 15, 2024 7:52:36 GMT
I had an ALF around £5k too
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Post by alf on Oct 15, 2024 8:04:07 GMT
The original ALF (156GTA service/cambelt/all suspension arms/waterpump, supply/fit aftermarket shocks, supply/fit LSD, etc) was £5500. Depressingly, that's way cheaper than it would be now. A lot. Just the OEM shocks and a basic service on the Giulia would be that. Let's just call it £5k as a unit of money I have an ALF in my savings account. As mentioned elsewhere, I don't really do savings beyond a pension. I might hope to when the Giulia is paid off, now my maintenance payments are no more, and if property issues don't rinse me. The Porsche itself is my emergency money. Whatever of the ALF does not get used, goes towards the Giulia service in Jan. I'm rather hoping I can do both, including at least one shock change on the Giulia, on the ALF. Anyway its there - I enjoyed my 16k run back along an increasingy dark canal last night after dropping it off at 5:30...
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 16, 2024 9:54:21 GMT
Fiat/Alfa certainly seem to have suspension components out of chocolate. Admittedly my GTA had to cope with Russian tarmac, but it had an insatiable appetite for ARBs and the like. And our Fiat 500 has been faultlessly reliable from a mechanical and electrical perspective, but gets through front suspension parts at an astonishing rate for a car that barely does 600 miles per year. No matter what we fix, it cannot last between successive MoTs without developing another annoying clonking from the front end when faced with speedhumps. We are going to try a new garage this year.
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Post by Tim on Oct 16, 2024 10:28:50 GMT
My Stilos always required a drop link for MOTs, I suspect speed humps were to blame for that. The M5 also had one that had snapped off at one end but as far as I could tell it had made no difference to the handling.
If you browse YouTube vids from the likes of M539 Restorations there is a clear difference in quality for European brands where the product is made in Europe and the same brands where is has come out of a factory in China (made of so called Chinesium). The YouTubers are sending the Chinese made stuff back.
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Post by bryan on Oct 16, 2024 12:39:31 GMT
Does the UK have a higher proportion of speed bumps than the rest of Europe?
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Post by Tim on Oct 16, 2024 13:00:48 GMT
I'd say yes.
I was in Northern Ireland in June and it is also refreshingly free of speed bumps (and 20 zones, etc).
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