Palestinian support in the West

I'm similarly naive to be honest about who is right and who is wrong in all this and which side are the bad guys. Easy to see Israels response as a massively overreaction and then you hear tails of what happened on October 7th and you have to conclude that any heavily armed developed nation would be expected to do the same if they experienced a similar attack. Easy to talk about war crimes when it's not your side doing the bombing but how would you want our government to respond if the Irish popped over and massacred thousands of British citizens at a concert and took many thousands back to Ireland to be held hostage in underground tunnels? But that still doesn't make me feel in any way comfortable with the scenes coming out of Gaza. And the pager/walkie talkie attach on Hezbollah (assuming it was Israel which they have not officially confirmed) definitely seems extremely sophisticated but always likely to involve innocent casualties.

The real trouble here is that I can't see what an end game looks like other than for either side to see the other wiped off the face of the earth. A two state solution is akin to trying to get Rangers and Celtic to ground share. And that's probably a glib and very oversimplified simile and no solutions look like ever being acceptable to either side in this war. I wish I knew more so I could form an educated opinion but I know I really can't.

I'll probably have to tone down my response but even so....

The support in the west is driven by the same drivers that led to the holocaust. The thinking is that Jews "have it all and are too powerful in the western world" and this is enhanced by increasingly high numbers of Muslims in the west. Let's get this bit of religious teaching straight first: Muslims want EVERYONE to become Muslim and some factions want to do so by force, with death being the only other option. Those that are moderate don't want to do the force or death bit but hope they can leave it to the others that do. Look at the fates of Christians and Druze populations in the Middle East for confirmation. Bear this in mind when you see the behaviours of Muslims in the west. More on that at that at the end.

Now we've got that bit over, Israel is home to 1.71million Muslim Arabs; there are, and always have been, Arabs on the Knesset (Israeli parliament) and their lives are seen as valid and worthy as any Jew, Christian or atheist - there are over 600 in the IDF. That's not quite the case in Muslim nations..... to put it mildly. The current "Palestinians" are actually just the Arabs that refuse to assimilate with the rest of humanity. This can be witnessed historically by the fact that Palestine was always as multicultural an area as Israel currently is but because of the refusal to assimilate it has become a segregated area (Gaza). Understand this: the other Muslim nations in the Middle East actively refuse to take in Gaza Palestinians as refugees or migrators - the wall Egypt has got up would do well for Trump on the Mexican border. Ostensibly it is there to keep Hamas at bay but "Hamas" and "Palestine" are one and the same thanks to the blind faith of the Muslim population who do and think as their religious leaders tell them.

At the other end of Israel is the Lebanese border. Lebanon is historically very cosmopolitan as pointed out above, with a large percentage of Christians, but this is under threat year on year, mainly due to the presence of Hezbollah which is effectively a state within a state. They do what they want, act like they want and persecute anyone that isn't Muslim or Muslims that don't do as they tell them to. They get away with it because the wars of the 60s and 70s were clearly unwinable so the west stayed out as much as it could (the Human League even wrote a song about it...."Who will have won when the soldiers have gone?" being the most pertinent line).

Back to that western support for what is in fact a bunch of filthy terrorist scum. The media is very careful to point out civilian deaths, almost as if these are not a factor in every war in history. That these civilians are knowingly paid to look after arms, have arms situated near to civilian public buildings to make targetting them illegal is not mentioned. Then there's the Israeli armed forces. My late father told me in the early 80s that the Israeli armed forces were the best in the world simply because they had far more actual live practice on all fronts every single day. The raining down of arms on Israel is almost never published as Israel has the Iron Dome, a defence system that keeps the enemy attacks away from the Israeli public so there are limited deaths of civilians - Israel protects its civilians; Hamas uses theirs as protection. Note that Israel didn't invent the Iron Dome to sell it on the Arms market - they developed it out of necessity. So the western public sees the mass deaths of Palestinians and (now) Hezbollah supporters and calls for Israel to be classed as evil, because they are almost never told of the ongoing daily attacks on Israel by religious fanatic nutters.

And this is the West's problem. They love a victim and protecting what they perceive as the underdog. So the trained military might of the IDF is a "bully" despite Israel being surrounded, hugely outnumbered and attacked daily. Those flag waving white kids wearing kaffirs only know that women and children are being killed, not that the states they live in and support have offered them no protection and brought attacks on them by acting out a blind religious fantasy of ruling the world with stone-aged morals.

Finally, on to Muslims in the west. The UK has a proper problem because of its history. One in having had an Empire and subsequent Commonwealth that is full of Muslims who now have "rights to Britishness" and a second in not having lived under a brutal regime in a recently close enough history. European countries are currently having no problems with their leaders, would be leaders and agitators calling for the immediate and forcible ejection of elements of society they don't want. They're more recently used to having a State that told them how to behave and now those next generation States hearing the whinges of pressure groups, be they religious, the EU itself or others, isn't having any effect. They don't care to be known as "pariah states" for their stance on migration and religious recognition if it protects their voters and the power base that comes with them. The UK is in the thrall of left wing thinking to the extent that me just thinking that it's not right when my wife tells me that she's been advised that arranging a meeting for a group after work in a pub is not inclusive enough (because apparently you MUST drink alcohol in a pub....) would get me into trouble.

Remember Churchill said "Muslims scream for equality when in the minority; but it never exists when they are in the majority." Norman Tebbit said in 2016 (that's almost a decade ago...) that Britain had a problem with Muslim communities that refused to accept the British rules, both written and unwritten. This is the issue the west needs to address now as extreme Muslims are using the flag of "equality" to gain a foothold within society and when they have the upper hand anyone else waving the equality flag will be cut down (literally in some cases).

That was the sanitised version. Whilst I was baptised in the ship's bell of HMS Collingwood and later confirmed by the Bishop of Guildford I am a non-practicing Christian, but I know which side I am on.

Probably the shortest and best appraisal of the situation. 

The big question then has to be how do you change the thinking of Muslims so that they accept the rights of others to have different religious beliefs, behaviour and to co-exist peacefully with no interference or imposition of Muslim beliefs.