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Post by Martin on Jul 26, 2024 8:49:32 GMT
I did the first decent length journey away from home this week, not exactly a big test of running an EV, but it's a start. As I've mentioned before, having the free Supercharger miles means there's not really any point charging at home so you don't get the normal EV benefit of leaving home with a 'full tank'. If it had been anything other than a Tesla, then I would have charged it overnight, but I didn't feel the need to so set off on a 360 mile trip with 54% battery. The first leg of the journey was 145 miles to one of my sites in Warrington, which it made with 11% battery remaining and didn't put a charge stop in as it's just over 1 mile to the Burtonwood Supercharger. That's only a 150kw charger, which you only get for a very short time (especially if the other chargers are in use), but a 20 min stop gave me 31 kWh and range back up to 170 miles. I travelled over to Doncaster Wed evening, meetings most of the day yesterday, then headed off down the A1. Blyth services have the 250kw chargers and it only needed 18 mins to get me home with 9% remaining, but I had some catching up of emails to do (would normally have done that before leaving site) and wanted to have a decent amount of charge when I got home, so stayed for 31mins which took the battery back up to 80% and I arrived home with 54%...the same as I left with. It did hit 250kwh for a short period, which is adding 298 miles per hour.
All very fascinating I know.... but the main points are you don't have to think much differently that running a combustion engined car when setting off on a longer journey. That's thanks to the Supercharger network being as good as I expected it to be plus decent efficiency, which means you don't need a huge battery (it's 75 kWh) adding weight (just over 1800kg) to make it very usable. Overall it achieved 4.2miles/kwh, but that's spending the majority of the time at 75mph+ and I'm still in the early days when the throttle response and instant shove are entertaining, I've seen journeys close to 5 miles/kwh.
Other things I've learnt.
Negatives - The seats could do with more length in the base and more side support, the adaptive cruise would be better if it calmed down a bit in stop/start traffic and the rain sensor is borderline useless.
Positives - The indicators aren't the issue you'd expect. Still not as good as a stalk, but as well as self-cancelling as you'd expect, they use GPS (selectable and I think it must use Tesla Vision as well) so will switch off when you've changed lanes, joined a slip road etc which is better than a normal choice of either 3 flashes. Other than that, it's just confirmed the things i already know, it's quiet / comfortable / quick / great stereo / so easy to use / handles better than you expect / cooled seats are way more powerful than I'm used to etc.
The other positive is that my car feels like a sports car when I get back in it, not because of the straight line performance which is similar, but because of the driving position / seats / way the steering feels etc. I have found myself switching to Sport and Individual (sport plus engine/comfort suspension) much more often though, as it can feel a bit lazy in hybrid mode now.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 26, 2024 9:51:56 GMT
Sounds great and given the need to stop to do email, call etc not such a hardship and with Tesla a hell of a lot cheaper then taking the Porsche. Do you have to hide the Tesla round the back so you can claim the full mileage for the Porsche still?  |
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Post by Martin on Jul 26, 2024 10:47:18 GMT
Sounds great and given the need to stop to do email, call etc not such a hardship and with Tesla a hell of a lot cheaper then taking the Porsche. Do you have to hide the Tesla round the back so you can claim the full mileage for the Porsche still? No, it didn't cost me any additional time and don't think it ever would. I'm too honest and have way too much to lose but doing anything dodgy! Due to complaints from company car drivers about the running costs vs 8p advisory rate for electric due to the cost of charging away from home, which I had and still have zero sympathy for because you're getting the tax benefit and should go into it / make a decision based on all the costs....anyway.... as a result we pay the 8p then top up via monthly pay so you get an additional 6p after tax, 14p in total. So when I use the Tesla, I'm making a 'profit' of 14p a mile thanks to the free supercharging and I get 26p for the Panamera vs 16.5p actual (inc electricity) so make a profit on that as well. Makes a nice change from losing money on the Range Rover and means I'm not paying anything for my private mileage. |
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Post by clunes on Jul 26, 2024 10:47:34 GMT
Interesting but not surprising - it does appear that Tesla have pretty much removed most issues relating to the ease of use / range anxiety etc.
I'm particularly interested in these real world experiences as we are considering a big change in our car mix and a Tesla (albeit the previous Model 3 or perhaps a Y) is a very strong contender through the company car scheme, despite my personal reservations about the looks/interior and the man at the top!
We currently have the Q3 and the RCF sat outside and they only do school / shopping runs and little else. I've had to do quite a few longer journeys during the first 6 months of the year (and the RCF was brilliant) but that is unlikely to continue as it was visiting my dying aunt in Cornwall and dying father in Notts - so we have 2 depreciating assets not being used much.
My partner wants to change the Q3 anyway so rather than sink another 20-30k savings into a newer car we are considering releasing the capital tied up in the cars for other purposes (e.g. maxing pensions with 40% relief etc).
So we are considering chopping both in and me taking a company car - I lose the cash allowance but that helps reduce my income to avoid tax traps.
Overall - once depreciation, servicing, insurance, tax, fuel etc are taken into account - this would save money on my expenses alone but also replacing the Q3 with a cheaper runaround further reduces costs as we would use the company car almost exclusively and release 30+k for said growth investments!
I'm still on the fence - the RCF is great and has bags of character and my car allowance covers most of the running costs but I the thought of it going doesn't fill me with dread so perhaps it's not a long term keeper anyway!
Sorry for the hijack!!
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Post by Martin on Jul 26, 2024 11:04:17 GMT
Interesting but not surprising - it does appear that Tesla have pretty much removed most issues relating to the ease of use / range anxiety etc. I'm particularly interested in these real world experiences as we are considering a big change in our car mix and a Tesla (albeit the previous Model 3 or perhaps a Y) is a very strong contender through the company car scheme, despite my personal reservations about the looks/interior and the man at the top! We currently have the Q3 and the RCF sat outside and they only do school / shopping runs and little else. I've had to do quite a few longer journeys during the first 6 months of the year (and the RCF was brilliant) but that is unlikely to continue as it was visiting my dying aunt in Cornwall and dying father in Notts - so we have 2 depreciating assets not being used much. My partner wants to change the Q3 anyway so rather than sink another 20-30k savings into a newer car we are considering releasing the capital tied up in the cars for other purposes (e.g. maxing pensions with 40% relief etc). So we are considering chopping both in and me taking a company car - I lose the cash allowance but that helps reduce my income to avoid tax traps. Overall - once depreciation, servicing, insurance, tax, fuel etc are taken into account - this would save money on my expenses alone but also replacing the Q3 with a cheaper runaround further reduces costs as we would use the company car almost exclusively and release 30+k for said growth investments! I'm still on the fence - the RCF is great and has bags of character and my car allowance covers most of the running costs but I the thought of it going doesn't fill me with dread so perhaps it's not a long term keeper anyway! Sorry for the hijack!! Hijack away! As I've learnt because I did it, don't knock the Tesla until you've tried one. It still might not be for you, but the latest 3 is a really good car, improved in a lot of ways including the looks and while the interior definitely won't be to everyones taste, it all works really well and the materials / fit and finish are good. You'll only find plastic on the seat console, everything else is covered in soft 'pleather' inc door bins, lower dash etc which makes it feel like a more quality item than you'd expect. I've always liked effortless performance and you certainly get that (instantly) with a decent EV. I don't think I could live with the looks of the Y though and you have to have the white interior to get rid of the cheap formica looking trim. When we first got it I did think I could easily run a 3 as my daily and be happy, but when I drive the Panamera I'm a lot less keen on the idea. That's unfair though, of course it should be a lot better at nearly 2.5 times the list price and if saving money was the objective, it wouldn't exactly be a hardship. |
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Post by alf on Jul 26, 2024 14:25:20 GMT
Glad its working out! I think a lot of the bleating about range, ignores how often we actually stop (or should, to be fresh and safe). I'm sure if you have low range and end up finding chargers broken/occupied/not as shown on the map its very stressful, Tesla reduce that worry quite a lot with their network.
Like it or not, all new cars will be electric soon - better to be working it out, than whining about acient history by then... As long as we're allowed to keep a bit of ancient history on the side.
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Post by johnc on Jul 26, 2024 15:45:56 GMT
Our i-Pace went back to the lease company today with much sadness. Great ride, great handling, really good performance, a luxury feeling and just an all round great car.
We pick up the i4 tomorrow so fingers crossed that it can compete in the things that matter for a daily driver.
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Post by clunes on Jul 26, 2024 17:03:06 GMT
Our i-Pace went back to the lease company today with much sadness. Great ride, great handling, really good performance, a luxury feeling and just an all round great car. We pick up the i4 tomorrow so fingers crossed that it can compete in the things that matter for a daily driver. Unfortunately for a multitude of reasons (most likely a shift in wider company car policy) a lot of choices that would have been previously available at my range are no longer on the list AND we are not allowed to order a new option so have to take from the 'pool'. There is 1 iPace on there but it's 2 grades above my allowance (but would have been available new a couple of years ago!) This limits me greatly to the previous gen Model 3 (newer RWD or older LR) or RWD Model Y hence the decision is not quite as 'no brainer' as I had expected |
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Post by PG on Jul 30, 2024 12:13:54 GMT
Interesting but not surprising - it does appear that Tesla have pretty much removed most issues relating to the ease of use / range anxiety etc...... The supercharger network is a very big part of what makes Tesla's sell. If you do lots of long journeys or motorway work, relying on the public charging network is what can easily make EV ownership a living hell, if you believe what you read in the press and what I've witnessed at motorway services at holiday times. The established manufacturers really should have thought the whole charging issue through. Instead they just seemed to assume "oh the government are mandating this, so they'll do the charge network. I mean we don't need to own fuel stations do we?" |
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 30, 2024 12:26:11 GMT
Seems fair to me - but the OEMs have been busy in this regard. The Ionity network has soaked up huge amounts of OEM investment and there are countless tie ups and working groups between OEMs and charging partners. The inescapable fact is that the investment required is gigantic and the twonks who dream all these rules and deadlines up should have thought this all through. All the chopping and changing is causing merry hell with product planning and investment.
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 30, 2024 17:05:54 GMT
The charging thing I’ve noted before but for the sake of convenience:
The electricity companies we know and love have no real business driver to provide charge points. They already sell all the electricity they make without having the huge cost of new bespoke infrastructure. Anyone that is involved in new power upgrades to large infrastructure developments (like I am) knows how long and how much a DNO take and charge for what are incontestable works (ie only they can do it). The existing forecourt operators have a jump start on availability but again, power availability might not be much more than your house.
To put that into perspective: fuel stations reduced in numbers for a couple of reasons: supermarkets combined a weekly regular visit with a fuel up and cars got more efficient. So EV charge companies have the same dilemma: build loads now then see your capex cost flushed away with reduced operating income as EVs get ultra efficient, or even more concerningly a synthetic fuel alternative comes along and shits on your projected model.
Tesla have done a great job with the SC network and with more EV manufacturers now will soon have a business model that offers more appeal in charging for SC use than their investment thirsty car building one. I’ve got about 20-25 years of driving to worry about. The next couple of generations won’t know anything of driving just for the fun of it, a bit like I view horseriding as utterly ridiculous (sorry PG 😂)
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Post by Alex on Jul 30, 2024 18:48:42 GMT
The issue of investors in public charging infrastructure struggling to see a return on investment makes some sense if the hype about future battery tech is anything to go by. At present many mid range EVs do at least 200miles and Teslas (which are still hoovering up a lot of company car EV sales) do 300miles plus. If battery tech allows that to double (which it might) then public charging stations will be pointless to anyone who can charge at home so might see very little use. I know the manufacturers have been promising such wonder batteries for years to no avail but it doesn't make a public charging system that sure a bet for those looking to invest in public infrastructure.
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Post by alf on Jul 31, 2024 11:12:37 GMT
Thats basically why I've mostly ignored charge point operators (CPO's)/installers/suppliers at work in my "partnerships" role. Our Telematics has the best technical fit with heavy commercial vehicles, we also supply a lot of van fleets. Those that want/will want to set up their own depot-charging infrastructure are the customers I'm most interested in, and as partners I want the companies that can do what whole end to end piece. Anyone can install a charger. Actually planning the entire transition (which needs our telematics data), sorting out the energy needs/DNO and other infrastructure (which may include solar and battery storage), and scheduling software, smart charging management, and so is a huge project and best done with one major supplier not a bunch of small ones. I have such a partner on our books already. There are literally hundreds of CPO's. I've spoken to MD's that are just winging it, have bought land in busy places and are installing chargers without yet knowing what their business model is. As you say, charging publicly is risky from an investment persprctive, its also a risky way to run your commercial fleet, I think people with heavy vehicle fleets will want at least a semi-private setup in many cases. A decent number of electric buses or trucks, use as much power as a town.
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Post by johnc on Jul 31, 2024 12:49:56 GMT
The new addition to our fleet:    First impressions are that it is built down to a price and is nowhere near my car in quality. The carpet mats are super thin and the plastics are mostly flimsy and cheap feeling. Outside, all the plastic trim around the front end and wings is very flexible and cheap feeling - you don't expect the plastic to flex big style when you wash it. The seats are also thin and don't provide anything like the comfort of the i-Pace. Positives are that the car absorbs rough road surfaces and bumps amazingly well with its rear air suspension. It also came equipped with Michelin PS4Ss which provide huge grip which is just as well since the warp factor motor propels the whole thing forward at a ludicrous pace. I am not sure about the Star Trek sounds it makes in Sport Plus and haven't found a way to silence it yet. The car comes with Comfort, Sport and Eco settings but the Comfort setting is take it as you get it - there is no personalisation of anything. The Sport mode has Sport and Sport plus which can be slightly personalised and the Eco setting has additional Eco options you probably wouldn't want. To be honest the luxury of the i-Pace is totally missing and with a list price pushing £80K it really should feel more special. However I am sure we will get used to it and start to enjoy the longer range. One thing that really annoyed for the first couple of days was the continual bong that wouldn't go away if you exceeded the speed limit by a mere 1mph indicated. We found where to turn it off in the settings but it was a real pain especially since you have to do it every time you get back in the car. Thankfully we were told it could be switched off by pressing and holding the SET button on the steering wheel for a couple of seconds. This still needs to be done every time you get in the car but it's miles faster than having to scroll through the huge menu trying to remember where it was. This is a good car, not a great one whereas the i-Pace was a great car which needed updating. I love the colour and it feels good to drive with decently weighted controls. I have the feeling we will like the car but unlike the i-Pace we will never love it. |
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Post by alf on Jul 31, 2024 15:03:27 GMT
Hmm, on the one hand that looks nice and I'm sure i4's appeal to petrolheads partly as they look so standard recent BMW. On the other hand there is plenty to not be happy about there from an enthusiast standpoint. The quality is a worry as that feel is something that makes the huge outlay seem worth it. And the increasing list of stuff you need to turn off every time you get into modern cars is a total PITA. Can the vibrating/pulling itself out of your hands steering be switched off once for good?
All in all I'm reminded of when prosumer SLR cameras went digital. Spending £1k rather than £500 for a camera body (20 years ago too) I expected great quality. I was wrong, all the money had gone into the tech, the camera body itself and all the switches, the viewfinder, were horrible and felt like a child's toy - or a very low end camera. And have remained the same since....
It seems all products are increasingly destined to be seen like white goods, and not with emotion..... Over time I own fewer things (like my old separate hifi I cling to) that give me pleasure just from how they are engineered, and styled, and just knowing what they are. Luckily for me both my cars are among those things. But it's dying out....
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 31, 2024 15:21:20 GMT
Yep - 2024 legislation, have had this on the supertruck since Oct last year, complete load of bollocks but at least it can be relatively easily disabled.
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Post by Martin on Jul 31, 2024 15:22:29 GMT
That’s a really nice colour combination, best looking i4 I’ve seen.
Agree with you re the interior quality, it was really underwhelming and not at all what you’d expect from a mid range BMW. The way the 40 drove was underwhelming too, sounds like the 50 is better. What do you think of the latest Idrive? I thought it was another step backwards…. over complicated and a bit brash with horrible graphics.
My neighbour has just swapped his RR Sport P400e (end of lease) for a cancelled order i5 M60. I had a quick Look and frankly, it’s pretty crap inside, such a step back from older 5 series and nowhere near what you’d expect from a car with a £117k list price, it doesn’t even have a sunroof, but it does have weight saving carbon mirror caps! The market knows its way overpriced too, which is why they are c£70k at 6 months old. BMW haven’t just ruined the styling…..
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Post by Martin on Jul 31, 2024 15:25:16 GMT
Yep - 2024 legislation, have had this on the supertruck since Oct last year, complete load of bollocks but at least it can be relatively easily disabled. My sister bought a p550e late last year and it’s the same. Isn’t it 2024 legislation in the EU and we’re just getting it because it’s easier for manufacturers? In the Tesla, once switched off it stays off forever, same as the lane assist. |
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Post by Alex on Jul 31, 2024 20:02:05 GMT
I don't think its just about being easier, the previous government agreed to all UK market cars having the same new safety systems as EU market cars. Thankfully, being 23 MY car the Octavia didn't get the speed limiter but it does have the lane assist that needs turning off each time you turn the car on. Thankfully it's just two taps of a button on the steering wheel.
I don't mind the look of the i4 but it's not my favourite ever car design and I don't like the grill at all but that applies to all 4 series not just the i models.
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Post by johnc on Aug 1, 2024 7:25:30 GMT
Can the vibrating/pulling itself out of your hands steering be switched off once for good? In a word, no, or at least I haven't found how to yet. However it can be turned down so that it isn't as intrusive. I think it's a danger because it does things the driver isn't expecting: on the way back from picking the car up, Susan swerved a little to avoid a pothole and the car tried, quite forcibly, to stop her. That's not a decision the car should be making in my mind. |
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Post by johnc on Aug 1, 2024 7:36:09 GMT
What do you think of the latest Idrive? I thought it was another step backwards…. over complicated and a bit brash with horrible graphics. Totally agree. It is like having my work PC in front of me with more icons, menus and sub menus than you should ever need behind the wheel. I think that driving as a skill and as something to enjoy is effectively being phased out and given the number of autonomous driving aids the i4 has we really aren't very far away from the self driving car at which point perhaps the complexity of the i-drive will then make more sense as you settle down to watch the latest thing on Netflix as your car takes you to your final destination. I can see myself finding a nice low mileage used Mini Cooper S or JCW and giving up on anything modern. |
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Post by alf on Aug 1, 2024 10:12:14 GMT
Can the vibrating/pulling itself out of your hands steering be switched off once for good? In a word, no, or at least I haven't found how to yet. However it can be turned down so that it isn't as intrusive. I think it's a danger because it does things the driver isn't expecting: on the way back from picking the car up, Susan swerved a little to avoid a pothole and the car tried, quite forcibly, to stop her. That's not a decision the car should be making in my mind. how annoying. I totally despair of this particular "requirement", Tina's BMW did it until I switched it off (its old enough to let you) - its incredibly unsafe in my opinion, and I can't see it ever being useful. I'm trying to make split second decisions based on the subtle nuances of feel through the wheel, and now its sawing itself about in my hands. Total crap! With the new requirement for the throttle to basically do nothing when you reach the speed limit, why bother eh? |
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 1, 2024 20:04:43 GMT
Can the vibrating/pulling itself out of your hands steering be switched off once for good? In a word, no, or at least I haven't found how to yet. However it can be turned down so that it isn't as intrusive. I think it's a danger because it does things the driver isn't expecting: on the way back from picking the car up, Susan swerved a little to avoid a pothole and the car tried, quite forcibly, to stop her. That's not a decision the car should be making in my mind. I have the same issue with the T-Cross. Younger daughter recently tried a new-shape Fabia and had the same experience but didn't know why, so I had to explain to her. It's positively dangerous in some situations. I think her plan is now to try to keep the A1 for as long as possible |
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Post by chipbutty on Aug 2, 2024 8:24:33 GMT
Yep - 2024 legislation, have had this on the supertruck since Oct last year, complete load of bollocks but at least it can be relatively easily disabled. My sister bought a p550e late last year and it’s the same. Isn’t it 2024 legislation in the EU and we’re just getting it because it’s easier for manufacturers? In the Tesla, once switched off it stays off forever, same as the lane assist. IIRC, the legislation takes effect from 7th July and Tesla are shit hot with software, so I would not be surprised if they just made the change for cars delivered on or after that date. The legislation is specific in that all of the nanny crap must be on every time you start the car. I would love to know if Tesla have found a way around it |
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Post by PG on Aug 2, 2024 9:12:38 GMT
...Isn’t it 2024 legislation in the EU and we’re just getting it because it’s easier for manufacturers? In the Tesla, once switched off it stays off forever, same as the lane assist. IIRC, the legislation takes effect from 7th July and Tesla are shit hot with software, so I would not be surprised if they just made the change for cars delivered on or after that date. The legislation is specific in that all of the nanny crap must be on every time you start the car. I would love to know if Tesla have found a way around itAs you never really "start" an EV in the classic sense, I would hope that an enterprising manufacturer could make all this crap be part of a personalised driver setting - get in (which renders as EV "started"), select your driver profile which switches all the crap off, and away you go. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 7, 2024 9:55:40 GMT
I spent much of the weekend driving around in our new Tesla Y going here and there from running round town to going to rugby tournaments and parking in muddy fields, it really is impressive . I'm not saying it was enjoyable but the car reminds me of an Iphone. Everything it does is easy and works perfectly even for a technophobe like me. Its a very relaxing thing to cruise around in and obviously has a more then decent turn of pace when required. One nice thing is you can zoom around without upsetting anyone given its whisper quietness. Its almost got me questioning the Alfas role in the household. Not that I'm looking to get rid just yet but I can see a small electic car and something like a Boxster/Cayman as a better combo. I even started looking at Model 3 Performances for 20K on AT!
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Post by alf on Oct 7, 2024 14:38:10 GMT
It's like a disease  |
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 7, 2024 14:59:20 GMT
It's like a disease Ha, what you have to agree with is that most 4 cylinder auto eco things are miserable cars to drive round in. Having a Tonale for 48 hours and test driving a whole host of things like countrymans, X1's, Tucsons was enough to convince me that electric is superior to 80% of ICE stuff in term of driving fun. Just throttle mapping alone with usable torque, our Tesla reminds me the first time I drove an E46 330d. Especially with autos, so many are badly tuned to throttle response, even the Quad struggles with the way the gearbox is mapped to throttle inputs. I'm not a full on volt nut as there are plenty of cars on the market that still interest me like the Yaris GR, Civic Type R, Cayman/Boxter GTS and the like but the way the Tesla is tuned into modern restricted driving it just feels more fit for purpose. The only electric cars I have ever driven is a model 3 and Y so no idea if my findings are true of all electric or just Tesla. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't want to be restricted to having to drive round in one all the time but I'm glad the missus has agreed to be the household guinea pig. |
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Post by alf on Oct 7, 2024 15:57:21 GMT
The throttle response from a good EV is epic, and that means a lot, that's why I like big NA engines after all - and where the old Boxster 3.2 engine scores over the Quad.
I don't like the throttle mapping in the Quad much - too relaxed in Normal and too hectic in D and R. Tesla have done that really well.
I've not yet driven an EV I enjoy hustling though, and I think a lot of that is the weight, the lack of (nice) noise, and the lack of things to do... There is so much to do in the Boxster, that's what I love - and it hunkers down like a limpet in long tight corners in a way EV's could manage (with their CoG) but need a serious diet and some strong intention/budget from their engineers to achieve!!
My criticism of hybrids is that they're bloody heavy, but full BEV seem no better, I hope they bring out a lighter battery tech soon, at the moment they are switching battery tech to LFP on cost grounds but they're no lighter as far as I can see. And have serious range estimation issues....
I totally agree though that an older classic like a 9X7 is better suited as second car, than the Alfa, which itself excels at doing it all well. We'll all have an EV daily before long, something massively different - maybe soft top, definitely manual gearbox, heavy-feeling controls, nice sounding engine and light - will best pair with it.
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Post by Martin on Oct 7, 2024 16:11:44 GMT
They’re not all ridiculously heavy, the model 3 is c1800kg, which I know is still quite a lot but it is 5 series size inside.
I’m a converted EV sceptic as as you all know, but not as an only car. It would work fine and does a great job in a number of circumstances, but doesn’t give me everything I want from a car. I still get a warm feeling when the Panamera engine fires up with the exhaust on, I would miss that too much, but as Ed says I’d also miss that as much if I had one of the 4 cylinder cars he mentions. A Tesla alongside a decent sportscar would be an ideal two car fleet, but if I were to add ‘something for the weekend’ alongside the two cars we have it would be a great 3 car garage.
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