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Post by Big Blue on Jul 22, 2024 18:22:49 GMT
….do do do do do do do do do do do do do do dooo.
Not sure where the FiA get the idea Lewis could’ve taken more evading action from a car that came up the inside where there was a car and a half’s width between him and the kerb. Max was totally out of control and laughable that he can’t see it.
Lewis was very gracious: called it a racing incident as opposed to utter lunacy and then went to shake Max’s hand in the interview pen. Max really doesn’t like it in a slow car, which is understandable for a racing driver.
Sainz was and is a perfect gentleman racer like his dad. He said he has no problem losing his seat to probably the greatest driver ever and has no animosity.
I was desperate for Lando to let Oscar pass then just re-take him but fair enough: be a team driver. I think Belgium will be a watershed for my local team - Lando will need all the points to make Red Bull think about the season after the holidays.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 23, 2024 8:28:10 GMT
Cracking race to be fair.
I love it when max looses his shit. Its very odd behavior but almost guarantees some entertainment. Every team has an off day and RB has a lot less then most.
I did think it odd that Lewis put it down as a racing incident as it seemed a good opportunity to nail Max to the wall but I guess he saw it as it didn't cst him anything and he ended up only ruining his race. It was some whack so I was suprised both cars survived. When the stewards said car 44 could have done more to avoid a collision I can only guess that they wanted Lewis to steer away from the accident, which is odd, or that he changed his line very slightly into T1 which Ant Davidson spoke about on SKY.
The Lando/Oscar place switch was a little silly and something Mclaren only have themselves to blame for that one. Expecting drivers to do the right thing is a bit of a risk and shows Mclaren as stll being a little naïve. I don't think they want to be doing that again. Lando running off up the road in the hope they wouldn't call him back was a good test of this but shows a lack of judgement. Team mates will fall out quickly, the Lando/Oscar respect thing won't last for long with a winning car.
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Post by johnc on Jul 23, 2024 8:53:13 GMT
Anyone can leave their braking two cars later than normal and sail up the inside of the other driver but when the trajectory takes them in a straight line all the way to the outside of the track, that isn't a legitimate pass in my book: it is a pure block and no different to moving in the braking zone. A 10 place grid penalty for the next race or a 20 second penalty for Max would have been a fairer result.
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Post by alf on Jul 23, 2024 9:42:21 GMT
What a fantastic race indeed! So much going on.
Max has always been very reliant on stuffing it up the inside and hoping the other driver didn't take contact. It drove me crazy that Lewis and others gave him space, now they all seem to have worked out they need to take the contact to stop him doing it. Rosberg was hilarious about the incident in saying that someone should tell Max it was a corner, and that people need to turn into corners.... Yes Lewis took an early shallow entry into it, that's his right - he did not suddenly weave under braking (Max style). We're starting to see what Max without the best car (new, entitled, "I'm a world champion don't you know" Max) looks like. It's basically an underfed toddler given control of a trolly in Lidl. I love it. When even your own team tells you to stop being childish on the radio, time to look in the mirror maybe?
I saw a Youtube edit that was Max then Lewis being interviewed. Max looked like he was about to cry, Lewis had such a grin on his face, it was hilarious. He was magnanamous indeed, but he knew we all knew, what he was really thinking. He nearly winked. I'm loving the new Lewis with is tail finally up after being robbed in Abu Dhabi. I still see a lot of negativity around him including a lot of racist comments (mainly from non-Brit Europeans) but he's a fantastic human being, and an incredible driver. His 200 podiums speak for themselves - he has an incredible ability to drag a car onto the podium, that should not be there, as Button (himself graciously) pointed out when they were together at McLaren. When Lewis left McLaren their performances tanked.
I'm a McLaren fan, it's great to see them doing so well, but while I rate Piastri a lot, I can't fathom not leaving the driver who is 2nd in the championship, in P1. Just bonkers. It gets contentious when the driver behind is faster, in this instance Piastri could not keep up let alone gain, and nearly crashed multiple times while losing time to Lando. Just..... Weird.
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 23, 2024 11:24:27 GMT
What a fantastic race indeed! So much going on. Max has always been very reliant on stuffing it up the inside and hoping the other driver didn't take contact. It drove me crazy that Lewis and others gave him space, now they all seem to have worked out they need to take the contact to stop him doing it. Rosberg was hilarious about the incident in saying that someone should tell Max it was a corner, and that people need to turn into corners.... Yes Lewis took an early shallow entry into it, that's his right - he did not suddenly weave under braking (Max style). We're starting to see what Max without the best car (new, entitled, "I'm a world champion don't you know" Max) looks like. It's basically an underfed toddler given control of a trolly in Lidl. I love it. When even your own team tells you to stop being childish on the radio, time to look in the mirror maybe? I saw a Youtube edit that was Max then Lewis being interviewed. Max looked like he was about to cry, Lewis had such a grin on his face, it was hilarious. He was magnanamous indeed, but he knew we all knew, what he was really thinking. He nearly winked. I'm loving the new Lewis with is tail finally up after being robbed in Abu Dhabi. I still see a lot of negativity around him including a lot of racist comments (mainly from non-Brit Europeans) but he's a fantastic human being, and an incredible driver. His 200 podiums speak for themselves - he has an incredible ability to drag a car onto the podium, that should not be there, as Button (himself graciously) pointed out when they were together at McLaren. When Lewis left McLaren their performances tanked. I'm a McLaren fan, it's great to see them doing so well, but while I rate Piastri a lot, I can't fathom not leaving the driver who is 2nd in the championship, in P1. Just bonkers. It gets contentious when the driver behind is faster, in this instance Piastri could not keep up let alone gain, and nearly crashed multiple times while losing time to Lando. Just..... Weird. I only watched the highlights on Sunday evening, and even those not very closely, but I couldn't work out what Max's beef was; Hamilton looked to me to be turning appropriately for the corner when Max clattered into him at a rate of speed that seemed, quite frankly, ludicrous to me! As you say, more like a spoiled brat than a well-rounded, multiple world champion! As for McLaren insisting Norris allow Piastri through .. .. made absolutely NO sense at he time, and still doesn't a few days on. Nonsensical in the extreme. |
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Post by Alex on Jul 23, 2024 12:44:45 GMT
I didn't get what McLarens thinking was either and sadly Lando will struggle to be a future champion if he capitulates to those sorts of team orders (you'd have never seen Vettel, Senna or Schumacher or even a slightly nicer racer like Lewis letting their teammate through unless they really were the faster driver and even then the former pair would not have made it easy and might have used a DRS zone to immediately retake position). He looked understandably forlorn about it on the podium but tbh he only has himself to blame for not standing up for himself.
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Post by humphreythepug on Jul 23, 2024 12:56:31 GMT
Lewis knows exactly what's he's doing when it comes to Max, he's playing a game, all calm and pretty much dismissive whilst Max is losing his shit, I love it and it will only wind Max up more.
I just cannot stand Max, so entitled, it's everyone else's fault, he's great when far away in the distance with a car leagues ahead of everyone else but now he's having to fight for places he's reverted to "original Max", weird how since Miami the RB is not so great, one wonders!
As an aside I was at Silverstone when Hamilton won, grandstand seats on the start finish straight, what a superb atmosphere and what a race to attend.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 23, 2024 13:47:08 GMT
Lewis knows exactly what's he's doing when it comes to Max, he's playing a game, all calm and pretty much dismissive whilst Max is losing his shit, I love it and it will only wind Max up more. I just cannot stand Max, so entitled, it's everyone else's fault, he's great when far away in the distance with a car leagues ahead of everyone else but now he's having to fight for places he's reverted to "original Max", weird how since Miami the RB is not so great, one wonders! As an aside I was at Silverstone when Hamilton won, grandstand seats on the start finish straight, what a superb atmosphere and what a race to attend. I think Red Bull have had their wings clipped by the FIA. I don't follow the politics closely enough but it does seem a similar performance drop off to when Ferrari were told to remove whatever it was from their engines a few years ago. Some protest or rule clarification seems to have been swept under the carpet. I don't hate Max, in fact I respect/enjoy his win at all costs and 2nd is just the first loser attitude. Of course its amusing when it all goes wrong but its for the FIA to put a stop to all his antics but in reality the same goes on across the field so you can't put special rules in to penalise Max as hes a front runner. One thing the FOM probably should do is not broadcast every radio message as its not a great example for the kids out there. How did you find Silverstone watching live? Great race due to the result but I worry Silverstone likes to extract the urine from the paying public. |
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Post by Sav on Jul 27, 2024 17:21:01 GMT
It was a great race. The Hungaroring has become a better track for racing compared to the past. No doubt helped by two double DRS zone, but that only applies to the first sector. Following is no longer an impossibility, for me the racing is better than it used to be. Period. And now the field is closer in 2024, the benefits of the ground-effect cars are becoming clearer.
Norris has been disappointing. Michael Schumacher, Hamilton and Verstappen and immediately made their mark. They got up to speed so quickly, some may say too quickly. But that is F1 today. Norris has become a hindsight driver already, should have done x y or z better – that was the Barrichello and Bottas syndrome. Norris should have won in Spain, Austria, Silverstone and Hungary. He didn’t win any of them. That might sound harsh, but Norris’ time is now. There will always be someone else coming along to raise the game, Antonelli etc. Norris is also far too friendly with Verstappen. Sure, they race on a sim together – how is that related to real life? In Austria he demanded an apology then retracted it. The race against Verstappen has already been lost.
I’m more impressed with Oscar right now. Considering his relative lack of experience, and the fact that he sat out a year as a reserve – he has gotten up to speed so quickly.
Hamilton has such great throttle control now. Maybe it wasn’t his strong suit before, it is now. He gapped Verstappen just enough on corner exit to make the next straight just that bit longer, not to be passed. Another aspect was not unnecessarily over-defending, as some do. In fact even when Verstappen got alongside Hamilton, the latter didn’t overly defend – just enough to cleverly put Max off – that resulted in him going straight-on.
I wouldn’t have penalised it. Hamilton does move across very slightly as he goes to brake – it caught Max out – I can believe that. Verstappen probably didn’t expect Hamilton to slightly move right at the last second, that caused a sudden balance shift and that resulted in his big lock-up. However the difference between Hungary and Austria was that Hamilton left at least one cars width (slightly more so), Verstappen did not against Norris from white line to race track. Hamilton’s movement would have put Verstappen off. It was gamesmanship, which is what one expects from this pair. Verstappen ran Hamilton out of room in turn 2 on the opening lap, Hamilton returned the favour later in the race – none of them are angels.
Tried to imagine Hamilton and Verstappen battling at the Hungaroring in the 2026 cars. There will be no DRS from 26, but last weekend Verstappen was struggling to get alongside Hamilton with DRS. I really hope that following will be better, and that the 50/50 ratio between ICE and battery won't see too much lift and coast on the straights.
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Post by humphreythepug on Jul 29, 2024 9:01:05 GMT
Lewis knows exactly what's he's doing when it comes to Max, he's playing a game, all calm and pretty much dismissive whilst Max is losing his shit, I love it and it will only wind Max up more. I just cannot stand Max, so entitled, it's everyone else's fault, he's great when far away in the distance with a car leagues ahead of everyone else but now he's having to fight for places he's reverted to "original Max", weird how since Miami the RB is not so great, one wonders! As an aside I was at Silverstone when Hamilton won, grandstand seats on the start finish straight, what a superb atmosphere and what a race to attend. I think Red Bull have had their wings clipped by the FIA. I don't follow the politics closely enough but it does seem a similar performance drop off to when Ferrari were told to remove whatever it was from their engines a few years ago. Some protest or rule clarification seems to have been swept under the carpet. I don't hate Max, in fact I respect/enjoy his win at all costs and 2nd is just the first loser attitude. Of course its amusing when it all goes wrong but its for the FIA to put a stop to all his antics but in reality the same goes on across the field so you can't put special rules in to penalise Max as hes a front runner. One thing the FOM probably should do is not broadcast every radio message as its not a great example for the kids out there. How did you find Silverstone watching live? Great race due to the result but I worry Silverstone likes to extract the urine from the paying public. Had a great time, the atmosphere was something else, however the cost to attend was ridiculous, fortunately it was a freebie. Originally we were told it would be race day tickets only, it transpired it was the whole weekend; Friday, Saturday and Sunday, we could only attend on the Sunday, we were seated at Abbey B which is undercover grandstand on the start finish straight, the tickets were £1600.00 each, which is frankly a piss take, however it was sold out! Food and drink costs were what one would expect at such an event. |
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Post by humphreythepug on Jul 29, 2024 9:08:23 GMT
It was a great race. The Hungaroring has become a better track for racing compared to the past. No doubt helped by two double DRS zone, but that only applies to the first sector. Following is no longer an impossibility, for me the racing is better than it used to be. Period. And now the field is closer in 2024, the benefits of the ground-effect cars are becoming clearer. Norris has been disappointing. Michael Schumacher, Hamilton and Verstappen and immediately made their mark. They got up to speed so quickly, some may say too quickly. But that is F1 today. Norris has become a hindsight driver already, should have done x y or z better – that was the Barrichello and Bottas syndrome. Norris should have won in Spain, Austria, Silverstone and Hungary. He didn’t win any of them. That might sound harsh, but Norris’ time is now. There will always be someone else coming along to raise the game, Antonelli etc. Norris is also far too friendly with Verstappen. Sure, they race on a sim together – how is that related to real life? In Austria he demanded an apology then retracted it. The race against Verstappen has already been lost.
I’m more impressed with Oscar right now. Considering his relative lack of experience, and the fact that he sat out a year as a reserve – he has gotten up to speed so quickly.Hamilton has such great throttle control now. Maybe it wasn’t his strong suit before, it is now. He gapped Verstappen just enough on corner exit to make the next straight just that bit longer, not to be passed. Another aspect was not unnecessarily over-defending, as some do. In fact even when Verstappen got alongside Hamilton, the latter didn’t overly defend – just enough to cleverly put Max off – that resulted in him going straight-on. I wouldn’t have penalised it. Hamilton does move across very slightly as he goes to brake – it caught Max out – I can believe that. Verstappen probably didn’t expect Hamilton to slightly move right at the last second, that caused a sudden balance shift and that resulted in his big lock-up. However the difference between Hungary and Austria was that Hamilton left at least one cars width (slightly more so), Verstappen did not against Norris from white line to race track. Hamilton’s movement would have put Verstappen off. It was gamesmanship, which is what one expects from this pair. Verstappen ran Hamilton out of room in turn 2 on the opening lap, Hamilton returned the favour later in the race – none of them are angels. Tried to imagine Hamilton and Verstappen battling at the Hungaroring in the 2026 cars. There will be no DRS from 26, but last weekend Verstappen was struggling to get alongside Hamilton with DRS. I really hope that following will be better, and that the 50/50 ratio between ICE and battery won't see too much lift and coast on the straights. Yeahh Norris, I am starting to find him irritating, he is always on a downer and has started to make the odd snide remark and he just seems to lack something, he isn't great at starts and just seems to make too many silly mistakes, I think Piastri is the real deal and from what I have seen so far he is definitely World Champion material, I'm not so sure with Norris, I think out of the current crop he (Piastri) will be the next World Champion after Max and Lewis. I also just love how he is just so calm and gets on with it. |
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Post by Alex on Jul 29, 2024 18:58:54 GMT
That was lucky Humph how'd you score those tickets? Agree I'd not pay £1600 for them even if that is for the whole weekend. Did it include any hospitality?
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Post by humphreythepug on Jul 30, 2024 5:37:38 GMT
That was lucky Humph how'd you score those tickets? Agree I'd not pay £1600 for them even if that is for the whole weekend. Did it include any hospitality? A Renault competition through work, based on EV sales targets, we achieved 300% the winning dealer in each area got 2 tickets, as my EV sales contribution was the greatest I was given a ticket with the group manager having the other. No hospitality, just a cushioned seat, under cover.  |
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Post by Alex on Jul 30, 2024 19:02:17 GMT
Lucky you indeed then. Ironic that you couldn't get the time off work to do the whole weekend!
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 4, 2024 9:00:51 GMT
Well after the last couple of weeks I guess the best way to answer your critics is to drive as Max did yesterday. What a masterclass on how to drive in the wet.
I was a bit disappointed with the old boys, I thought they would be the perfect conditions to shine but obviously couldn't get comfortable with the machines they had.
Its even more disappointing in some ways that he feels the need to have a breakdown in his car when under pressure that gives him all the bad press but I guess most of the greats were similar.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 4, 2024 17:25:32 GMT
Whatever the other noise about tyre changes at the red flag etc even a Max detractor like me has to admit that his drive was a level above the rest of the field. You get the overall impression this season that Lando just isn’t enough of an arsehole to be champion - perhaps he can spend some time with Max over the off season.
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Post by Alex on Nov 5, 2024 6:30:24 GMT
Whatever the other noise about tyre changes at the red flag etc even a Max detractor like me has to admit that his drive was a level above the rest of the field. You get the overall impression this season that Lando just isn’t enough of an arsehole to be champion - perhaps he can spend some time with Max over the off season. Next season will be the real teller as to whether Lando has it or not. McLaren only got their car to a level competitive with RB towards the middle of the season so it was always going to be too late to catch Max but next season he should be able to go toe to toe with him for the whole year. I do like Lando and I think he has the talent to become a champion but he needs the right car and the right amount of luck so he'll always be a step down from the greats like Max, Lewis and Schumacher who just needed a good car and they'd do the rest. |
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Post by Sav on Nov 5, 2024 23:51:35 GMT
Verstappen has been especially impressive ever since the Red Bull has lost its competiveness compared to McLaren. And really to me, the Red Bull hasn’t been a winner since Imola. Every race since then either the McLaren or Ferrari has been faster. With either Mercedes driver being able to drag results out of an inconsistently-behaving car. But Verstappen with his ability has managed to get grid positions he shouldn’t have, and its only late into race runs does the Red Bull’s true deficiencies come clear. It’s why the dingdong with Norris keeps happening; Verstappen can do his banzai qualifying laps or starts that get him ahead of Norris. But as the Red Bull wears its tyres out during a race stint, the McLaren comparatively gets faster as it keeps its tyres alive for longer. The two then keep meeting each other on track and you know what happens next.
I think Norris has been disappointing on several fronts. Poor starts, ill-judged race craft and he should have driven more of the race strategy from the cockpit – Silverstone and Brazil spring to mind. In Austin he was the architect of his own misfortune. Norris left the inside of turn 1 open, which of course Verstappen was going to fill the gap. Had he not done that, he wouldn’t have needed to chase down Verstappen late in the race. On poor starts, had Norris lead from pole on Sunday, he would have managed to eek out a gap to make the pitstop and still exit ahead of Verstappen – to prevent the red-flag from being an issue. Being stuck behind Russell was costly for so many laps and no DRS to help, but that was Norris’ fault.
Whether its Verstappen, Hamillton, M Schumacher, and even Button closed out his campaign in 2009 brilliantly to keep Vettel at bay. The great drivers can find another level of as the races wind down. Oscar in my view will only get faster, considering his lack of experience against Norris, that shouldn’t be happening. Norris needs another gear to fight for a championship against drivers in cars of relatively similar speed.
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