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Post by ChrisM on Mar 8, 2024 14:26:31 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 8, 2024 17:38:44 GMT
To be honest I was quite surprised to learn they were still building the XE.
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Post by Alex on Mar 10, 2024 16:19:24 GMT
To be honest I was quite surprised to learn they were still building the XE. Me Too. It struggled against the last 3 series so must be light years behind the current one. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 10, 2024 20:03:26 GMT
To be honest I was quite surprised to learn they were still building the XE. Me Too. It struggled against the last 3 series so must be light years behind the current one. Did it? Every test I read suggested it was superior to the 3 series. |
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Post by Ben on Mar 11, 2024 4:46:56 GMT
The XE was a good drive but in many other aspects (space, packaging, practicality) it was pretty flawed.
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 11, 2024 9:14:50 GMT
I looked at the XE-S back in 2016 before getting the 440i. It was a fairly recently launched car at the time but I didn't much like the interior and the financing package was woeful - although the optioned-up list price was similar to the 440i, a combination of much higher APR and rather worse GFV meant the monthlies were something like double those of the BMW. These are the sorts of factors which I think get slightly overlooked when journalists discuss why certain cars have been sales successes and others not.
Had the monthlies on the XE been on par with the 440i, I would have been very tempted - I liked the idea of the Jag more than the BMW. Of course, we ended up being delighted with the 440i and might not have proved so delighted with an XE-S, so I can't complain!
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Post by alf on Mar 11, 2024 9:21:05 GMT
That seems very sad news to me. Recent jag saloons may not be quite as high quality as ze Germans, but they drive well and the quality is good enough to make them worth a look, pkus you'll often get a much quicker and/or newer one for the same money, especially second hand. This is a brand that was synonymous with sports saloons since the 1930's, and made sports cars that rivalled Ferrari in their day - and that top Italian car designers coveted. Now they're only going to make plug-in SUV's. I guess the public are never going to care that SUV's handle much worse, are far less safe, and much less efficient than lower designs - without even more space inside. Sigh.........
The XE V6S remains a real bargain and will presumably become more so second hand now. Its a better drive than a 340/C43, more powerful in 380bhp form, and subtle as anything.
I was at an industry event the other day when a director of a big multi-outlet BEV-only second hand car dealer was asked (since he can take anything home) which he prefers to drive. He said the iPace. In 2024. I still think its a crying shame they messed up so badly with that car's development/replacement plans. Weren't we supposed to have a whole range of BEV Jags by now, rendering the iPace's lack of ongoing development a red herring? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
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Post by PG on Mar 11, 2024 21:52:17 GMT
Jag seems to have been hampered by a succession of owners and bosses who didn't really understand what Jaaag was all about. If I think too deeply about what Jag are doing these days, it makes me so angry that the fuckwits running that brand have manged to reduce it from what it was (and I believe what it could have been) to an also ran that will soon be EV only, price wise said to be £100k plus. What a waste.
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Post by johnc on Mar 12, 2024 9:12:04 GMT
I think if they are priced at £100K plus they will be a tiny player and may just disappear. I think 90% of people buying an EV at over £100K would pick something with a Porsche badge. Mercedes and BMW can't sell them so Jaguar are just kidding themselves.
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Post by PG on Mar 12, 2024 11:47:00 GMT
I agree with you. It's crazy money. In his brief tenure Bollore managed to get buy in (or force in?) on a plan that was effectively brand-suicide. Kill off all the models you currently have and piss off all those customers, and then try and launch to a whole different market. Madness. They've said that the first EV will be out in 2025, but I just can't see that. Surely by now there would be test mules out and about. Which makes me think that the whole thing will get delayed.
Frankly, and I never thought I'd say this, it would be preferable if JLR just thew the towel in with Jag and sold the brand to somebody who might actually want to develop it.
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Post by Tim on Mar 12, 2024 11:55:13 GMT
Presumably the test mules are cunningly disguised as Range Rovers?
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Post by Alex on Mar 12, 2024 17:52:16 GMT
Me Too. It struggled against the last 3 series so must be light years behind the current one. Did it? Every test I read suggested it was superior to the 3 series. Try telling the market that! |
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