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Post by PG on Jan 21, 2024 14:05:59 GMT
Isn't a FF RR EV imminent? They keep putting out teaser ads. Presumably on the same chassis that the Jag XJ EV was going to be on....
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Post by johnc on Mar 25, 2024 9:28:45 GMT
On Saturday we went looking at a Ford Mustang Mach-e and the Audi Q4 sportsback e-tron and came home disappointed that neither excited us especially with the lack of ability to spec the car the way we would want it. In particular the Ford comes with a take it or leave it spec and the Audi doesn't allow the colour options we want with the trim level etc etc.
Anyway, I had a look back at the Jaguar configurator and the 360 camera has magically reappeared in the i-Pace options so we went across to Lookers on Sunday afternoon and had a chat with a salesman and looked around a few cars they had in stock. Apart from the fact the cream leather comes with a questionable two tone steering wheel (most of the bits you touch in black leather and most of the bits you don't touch in cream leather) it has everything we want. I am waiting on a call from the business manager with leasing prices but looking online we should be able to get something that works even if it isn't as good a deal as we have at the moment.
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Post by bryan on Mar 25, 2024 12:03:49 GMT
Surely the dealer could arrange for a swap with a black steering wheel?
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Post by johnc on Mar 25, 2024 12:49:45 GMT
Surely the dealer could arrange for a swap with a black steering wheel? I haven't asked but it is probably one of those things you don't notice after a while. Lets get the spec, colour and price agreed first. |
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Post by Alex on Mar 26, 2024 8:26:40 GMT
Surely the dealer could arrange for a swap with a black steering wheel? Knowing the way manufacturers are managing their production processes at the moment, even if it were possible, I doubt they'd let you without adding several months to the lead time. If you still like the iPace it's probably an OK option but I do think there are much better EVs out there now that will probably be a lot cheaper to lease. Have you considered one of the non-premium brand vehicles like and EV6 or Ioniq 5? |
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Post by Tim on Mar 26, 2024 8:30:22 GMT
Surely the dealer could arrange for a swap with a black steering wheel? I haven't asked but it is probably one of those things you don't notice after a while. Lets get the spec, colour and price agreed first. Just get the wheel re-covered |
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 26, 2024 9:18:26 GMT
Top spec I-Pace is still a very attractive car. Might not be the last word in battery tech but has an interior that is at least more "traditional".
Have you checked out the new Macan or are they taking the pee on lease costs currently? Can't see those flying out the showroom like the old model.
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Post by johnc on Mar 26, 2024 12:08:41 GMT
Top spec I-Pace is still a very attractive car. Might not be the last word in battery tech but has an interior that is at least more "traditional". Have you checked out the new Macan or are they taking the pee on lease costs currently? Can't see those flying out the showroom like the old model. For the new Macan they want £9,000 up front and £1,000/mth over 4 years. So that is £57,000 over 4 years for an £80K car! The i-Pace is such a nice place to sit and it drives better than any other EV I have been in. The Tesla S drove pretty well but I just hate the central i-pad and just love the i-Pace's traditional layout with proper dials. My wife dislikes the look of the Ioniq 5 and a taxi we took in Madrid didn't appeal greatly in the quality stakes. It was practical and spacious but it was very much a white goods experience. The EV6 is a possibility but when I say that the thought of the i-Pace going back is really upsetting her (she says it's like losing a good friend), I think you get some idea of how much she enjoys driving it as do I: great grip, poise, body control and ride just like a really good Jag should be. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 26, 2024 14:28:38 GMT
Top spec I-Pace is still a very attractive car. Might not be the last word in battery tech but has an interior that is at least more "traditional". Have you checked out the new Macan or are they taking the pee on lease costs currently? Can't see those flying out the showroom like the old model. For the new Macan they want £9,000 up front and £1,000/mth over 4 years. So that is £57,000 over 4 years for an £80K car! The i-Pace is such a nice place to sit and it drives better than any other EV I have been in. The Tesla S drove pretty well but I just hate the central i-pad and just love the i-Pace's traditional layout with proper dials. My wife dislikes the look of the Ioniq 5 and a taxi we took in Madrid didn't appeal greatly in the quality stakes. It was practical and spacious but it was very much a white goods experience. The EV6 is a possibility but when I say that the thought of the i-Pace going back is really upsetting her (she says it's like losing a good friend), I think you get some idea of how much she enjoys driving it as do I: great grip, poise, body control and ride just like a really good Jag should be. WHAT!! Thats ridiculous. I pity the early buyers of those. The payments obviously reflect the confidence Porsche has in the Macan holding any of its value. I do feel a bit of sympathy for these manufacturers. If the new Macan was an evolution of the old model (ICE) the order books would be full. |
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 26, 2024 22:30:51 GMT
I am very happy with my ICE Macan. It would be better if it would shimmy around town on silent electric power with no weight penalty, but then the world is not a perfect place...
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Post by Tim on Mar 27, 2024 8:34:19 GMT
The iPace is still the best looking EV imo.
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Post by johnc on Mar 27, 2024 11:56:05 GMT
If the leasing price is right we will be getting another i-Pace in Portofino blue this time and keeping the 20" wheels because they give a better ride and greater range. The 22" wheels do look great but require air suspension to maintain some ride quality and also lose at least 10% range as a consequence. Having trawled around dealerships for a few weeks now we have come to the conclusion that it is not only one of the best looking but it is also a perfect size, half way between an SUV and a normal car....and it drives so well.
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Post by PG on Apr 8, 2024 12:02:32 GMT
If the leasing price is right we will be getting another i-Pace in Portofino blue this time and keeping the 20" wheels because they give a better ride and greater range. The 22" wheels do look great but require air suspension to maintain some ride quality and also lose at least 10% range as a consequence. Having trawled around dealerships for a few weeks now we have come to the conclusion that it is not only one of the best looking but it is also a perfect size, half way between an SUV and a normal car....and it drives so well. Which makes Jags (or rather parent JLR's) decision to not develop the I-Pace any more during its life and then throw that market segment away - too cheap, not upmarket enough, apparently - utterly mind-bogglingly stupid. |
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Post by johnc on Apr 8, 2024 16:01:38 GMT
Well, this weekend was decision time and the decision surprised me!
We went back to Jaguar to look over the i-Pace again. We looked around the car, checked out the small differences in trim etc and Susan played around with the infotainment system to see what was different to hers -not much really! I asked if she was happy that we just do a deal (still waiting on the business manager to call us despite the email from a colleague last week to say he would call today) but she asked if we could go along to look at BMWs. I thought these had already been dismissed but apparently she still had a niggling feeling that she hadn't liked the i4 we drove last year because it was a basic model in a colour she didn't like etc etc.
So we ended up in BMW talking to a salesman who was not only knowledgeable but completely not pushy and able to do business contract hire quotes without needing a business manager! We saw around the cars and took a test drive in an i4 M50 with all the toys and she liked it. In particular she liked the fact that it was 4WD which gave her extra confidence especially when we live at the top of a hill. She felt the infotainment system was much more modern and more intuitive and the car was certainly fast enough (3.9s to 62). The ride in Comfort was exceptionally good (BMW are apparently moving away from run flats) and Sport wasn't too stiff. I wasn't sure about the lack of buttons and knobs for different controls but that apparently singles me out as a tech dinosaur and all I need to do is speak to the car! The official range is also about 40 miles more than the i-Pace in official figures but its increased efficiency means it loses less than the Jag in real world driving, so probably about 270 for the BMW as opposed to 220 for the Jag in the real world which would make a difference.
In the end we managed to haggle a contract hire figure out of them which was only marginally more than the Jag but also included maintenance. The car has all the packs available and will be in Tanzanite blue with Oyster leather. Coming to us in July hopefully. I checked online and one of the online brokers was about £15/mth cheaper but there was a £250 fee so overall not worth it to walk away and then have to start the process again and find out that they couldn't find a car in the right colour, spec etc etc etc.
I am sad that we won't have another i-Pace because it's a great car let down by glitchy software and crap dealer service. I also prefer to be a passenger in it than in the i4. However it's not my car and I hadn't realised but Susan was really impressed with my car when we went up to Dingwall last week for a funeral and that set her thought process going that maybe she should look at BMW again.
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Post by Martin on Apr 8, 2024 16:32:48 GMT
A couple of my team have the M50 and really like it, a range of 220-250 miles seems fairly easily achieved and I'm not aware of them having any reliability issues.
Tanzanite blue with Oyster is a good choice. Only bettered on the i4 by full Ivory Merino, but that would have you as even closer to BMW twins!
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 8, 2024 20:47:00 GMT
Ooh i4 M50....nice.
If I had to have an electric car, that would be my choice. I'm still not a fan of the buck-toothed front but one of our neighbours has one in Tanzanite Blue with the blacked out grille and it does look good.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 8, 2024 22:06:44 GMT
Excellent choice and a nice colour/ interior combination too. It will be interesting to compare the whole ownership experience.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 9, 2024 2:10:09 GMT
Excellent choice and a nice colour/ interior combination too. It will be interesting to compare the whole ownership experience. Indeed. "All-nighters" are mercifully rare these days but this is one of those times and I am sat here waiting for a Canadian legal point to be settled in something urgent, so went back to re-read my thoughts on the (lesser) i4 I tried knocking on for two years ago: themotorforum.co.uk/thread/3114/bmw-i4It's definitely a car that looks better on the bigger wheels. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 9, 2024 8:26:30 GMT
A good choice, again I'm no fan of the front end but the rest of the package makes up for that and Tanzanite is a close second to that lovely green they do.
Its why BMW are well ahead of most of the competition. It can't be hard to tool sales people with the right equipment to close customers. I was in car sales over 20 years ago and it seems that nothing has changed and that most dealers have a guy who has no power to make decisions and has to refer you to the sales/business manager. If that BMW was in the Jag showroom you would still be waiting to do a deal and probably never get round to it.
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 9, 2024 9:12:37 GMT
A good choice, again I'm no fan of the front end but the rest of the package makes up for that and Tanzanite is a close second to that lovely green they do. Its why BMW are well ahead of most of the competition. It can't be hard to tool sales people with the right equipment to close customers. I was in car sales over 20 years ago and it seems that nothing has changed and that most dealers have a guy who has no power to make decisions and has to refer you to the sales/business manager. If that BMW was in the Jag showroom you would still be waiting to do a deal and probably never get round to it. Yes, the customer service I've had from Porsche during and since buying it has only been ok...definitely not as good as BMW. I know I was a repeat customer of Vines but I was spending half the money and I wonder how people get and keep new customers if you don't treat them extra-well upfront. Whenever we have a new client, I work on the basis that we have to actually deliver a better and more responsive service than that client expects in order to distinguish ourselves from our many competitors. Simply being "as good" doesn't really cut it in today's hyper-competitive environment. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 9, 2024 9:22:36 GMT
The customer service I had from Porsche when we had the Boxster was excellent, it’s a bit too early to comment with this car, but the buying / collecting experience was the best yet. It’s booked in for its first service in a few weeks, which will include a software update (they called it a recall) and I’ve asked them to look at the charge flap as it doesn’t always open first time. The only negative so far is the quoted cost of £845! Cheaper than the family truck for now as that cost £600-650 every 11k miles and Porsche service intervals are 20k miles. I think the next one will be double the cost, so that will be broadly the same £ over 40k miles.
My experience of BMW service is pretty good overall, but far better when I had the 7 series, which the dealer told me was a directive from BMW.
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Post by Tim on Apr 9, 2024 11:49:53 GMT
My experience of local BMW dealers varies.
Grassicks in Perth have always been excellent.
John Clark in Dundee less so. Especially when I had the current car booked in for a service and they neglected to tell me they'd relocated in the last few weeks and that the ability to drop the keys in a safe letterbox wasn't available despite me having checked when I made the booking. It hasn't been back to them since despite it being slightly more convenient.
I've never tried the one in Kirkcaldy but I see its Arnold Clark so never will....
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 9, 2024 12:14:39 GMT
My experience of local BMW dealers varies. Grassicks in Perth have always been excellent. John Clark in Dundee less so. Especially when I had the current car booked in for a service and they neglected to tell me they'd relocated in the last few weeks and that the ability to drop the keys in a safe letterbox wasn't available despite me having checked when I made the booking. It hasn't been back to them since despite it being slightly more convenient. I've never tried the one in Kirkcaldy but I see its Arnold Clark so never will.... The only experience I've had so far is Douglas Park near me (work). 5 months to book in for what BMW described as an "urgent" EGR software update was pretty woeful IMO. More recently (and urgently) something in the rear suspension has failed quite spectacularly, to the point the back end looks like it's sitting on the ground! Park's said "bring it in and we'll have a look at it when we can", but suggesting that will take at least 2-3 days, partly because it's already booked n for this issue for the 25th! I mean, REALLY? The car is essentially undriveable and that's the best they can do? NOT impressed. |
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Post by bryan on Apr 9, 2024 12:37:17 GMT
Well, this weekend was decision time and the decision surprised me! We went back to Jaguar to look over the i-Pace again. We looked around the car, checked out the small differences in trim etc and Susan played around with the infotainment system to see what was different to hers -not much really! I asked if she was happy that we just do a deal (still waiting on the business manager to call us despite the email from a colleague last week to say he would call today) but she asked if we could go along to look at BMWs. I thought these had already been dismissed but apparently she still had a niggling feeling that she hadn't liked the i4 we drove last year because it was a basic model in a colour she didn't like etc etc. So we ended up in BMW talking to a salesman who was not only knowledgeable but completely not pushy and able to do business contract hire quotes without needing a business manager! We saw around the cars and took a test drive in an i4 M50 with all the toys and she liked it. In particular she liked the fact that it was 4WD which gave her extra confidence especially when we live at the top of a hill. She felt the infotainment system was much more modern and more intuitive and the car was certainly fast enough (3.9s to 62). The ride in Comfort was exceptionally good (BMW are apparently moving away from run flats) and Sport wasn't too stiff. I wasn't sure about the lack of buttons and knobs for different controls but that apparently singles me out as a tech dinosaur and all I need to do is speak to the car! The official range is also about 40 miles more than the i-Pace in official figures but its increased efficiency means it loses less than the Jag in real world driving, so probably about 270 for the BMW as opposed to 220 for the Jag in the real world which would make a difference. In the end we managed to haggle a contract hire figure out of them which was only marginally more than the Jag but also included maintenance. The car has all the packs available and will be in Tanzanite blue with Oyster leather. Coming to us in July hopefully. I checked online and one of the online brokers was about £15/mth cheaper but there was a £250 fee so overall not worth it to walk away and then have to start the process again and find out that they couldn't find a car in the right colour, spec etc etc etc. I am sad that we won't have another i-Pace because it's a great car let down by glitchy software and crap dealer service. I also prefer to be a passenger in it than in the i4. However it's not my car and I hadn't realised but Susan was really impressed with my car when we went up to Dingwall last week for a funeral and that set her thought process going that maybe she should look at BMW again. I had a test sit in the BMW dealer and it was a very nice place to be (apart from lack of physical controls) |
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Post by PG on Apr 9, 2024 14:27:13 GMT
Decision made and deal done. Like others, I'd prefer more physical controls and a bit of frontal rhinoplasty, but the rest is a great package. And it looks like a proper car, not some wacky "trying to be different" EV.
Re the dealer experience and how that made a difference, you'd think after all these years dealers would have worked out how people like to do business - i.e. direct with the person you speak to. But far too many - across all brands - seem to be tied to this archaic and awful model of chiefs and indians, and you can't talk to the chief and indians only ability is to refer you to the chief you can't talk to. Maybe they thought Catch 22 was a serious management text book?
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Post by Tim on Apr 9, 2024 15:43:40 GMT
My experience of local BMW dealers varies. Grassicks in Perth have always been excellent. John Clark in Dundee less so. Especially when I had the current car booked in for a service and they neglected to tell me they'd relocated in the last few weeks and that the ability to drop the keys in a safe letterbox wasn't available despite me having checked when I made the booking. It hasn't been back to them since despite it being slightly more convenient. I've never tried the one in Kirkcaldy but I see its Arnold Clark so never will.... The only experience I've had so far is Douglas Park near me (work). 5 months to book in for what BMW described as an "urgent" EGR software update was pretty woeful IMO. More recently (and urgently) something in the rear suspension has failed quite spectacularly, to the point the back end looks like it's sitting on the ground! Park's said "bring it in and we'll have a look at it when we can", but suggesting that will take at least 2-3 days, partly because it's already booked n for this issue for the 25th! I mean, REALLY? The car is essentially undriveable and that's the best they can do? NOT impressed. Does your car have air suspension at the back? My bro-in-law has a 2016 520d estate and his recently had a sinking suspension issue. Turns out cheap potential fix no1 is £25 if you're prepared to get your hands dirty. If you look on YouTube for 'BMW 5 Series (F11) air suspension fix for £25' you'll see what he did. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 9, 2024 15:58:19 GMT
The only experience I've had so far is Douglas Park near me (work). 5 months to book in for what BMW described as an "urgent" EGR software update was pretty woeful IMO. More recently (and urgently) something in the rear suspension has failed quite spectacularly, to the point the back end looks like it's sitting on the ground! Park's said "bring it in and we'll have a look at it when we can", but suggesting that will take at least 2-3 days, partly because it's already booked n for this issue for the 25th! I mean, REALLY? The car is essentially undriveable and that's the best they can do? NOT impressed. Does your car have air suspension at the back? My bro-in-law has a 2016 520d estate and his recently had a sinking suspension issue. Turns out cheap potential fix no1 is £25 if you're prepared to get your hands dirty. If you look on YouTube for 'BMW 5 Series (F11) air suspension fix for £25' you'll see what he did. I'll have a look - happy enough to get my hands dirty! IF it works, it'll save me £100's, but looks like it might be the compressor. If I'm lucky, it's the solenoid - big issue s the car's stuck outside my office just now, and can't get collected until next Wednesday! |
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Post by Martin on Apr 9, 2024 17:04:00 GMT
The air bags are notorious for leaking in the F11. If it is, then you should get an aftermarket replacement as they are better than the originals and will be cheaper to replace as you won’t need to used a main dealer. If it’s sitting down low all the time then it does sound more compressor related.
If you can fix it yourself for £25, that would be a great result!
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Post by Boxer6 on Apr 9, 2024 19:45:13 GMT
The air bags are notorious for leaking in the F11. If it is, then you should get an aftermarket replacement as they are better than the originals and will be cheaper to replace as you won’t need to used a main dealer. If it’s sitting down low all the time then it does sound more compressor related. If you can fix it yourself for £25, that would be a great result! The airbags were replaced (with aftermarket ones) in January Martin. By a BMW mechanic. (off the books though). Quite apart from anything else, BMW ones were unobtainable at the time - may still be the case in fact. Am checking out YT as we speak .. .. |
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Post by Tim on Apr 10, 2024 7:08:24 GMT
If the drop is equal on both sides then its the compressor rather than the bags.
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