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Post by michael on Jul 24, 2017 9:57:04 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 24, 2017 10:03:46 GMT
Mmm. Not sure of the point to be honest. I would have thought that most private buyers would go for an XFR.
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Post by michael on Jul 24, 2017 10:07:33 GMT
Can you buy an XF-R at the moment?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 10:15:16 GMT
"It's absolutely brilliant!" said Autocar, who haven't seen it or driven it yet.
Probably.
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Post by LandieMark on Jul 24, 2017 10:28:22 GMT
Can you buy an XF-R at the moment? That didn't even occur to me, but it appears not - only an S (still has 380bhp, mind). |
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 24, 2017 10:33:45 GMT
Who buys these?
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Post by PG on Jul 24, 2017 11:09:09 GMT
Not very many people, more's the shame. I've always liked them, but they need de-chavving to be acceptable - silver wheels, no privacy glass, dark colour. It's the only V8 Jag saloon available new at the moment until (if?) a new XFR and XER turn up. |
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Post by boc70 on Jul 24, 2017 13:31:07 GMT
People needing to get away from Downing Street in a hurry? |
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Post by alf on Jul 24, 2017 14:01:23 GMT
Can you buy an XF-R at the moment? No. You can't have a V8 - let alone a full "R" model - in the XE or new XF. I can see the point of these - the XJ is a lovely thing, and the "supersport" or whatever it was called (a model that was basically an XJR but not named as such initially) and the later XJR are lighter than the XFR. The interior are superb too, the XJ has a real sense of occasion about it, I sit next to one in the local garage at the service desk and love it. I'll have a look on AT now but I bet they depreciate like a stone and make good SH buys too. I'd have one! Although I don't know where the XJ stands on reliability, the new shape XF, and the XE, were slated in the "Which magazine" (which I think is the same crew as What Car) for reliability, when they always recommended the old XF. It looks like the newer Jaguars are more Land-Rover esque in reliability (Land Rover tend to scrap with Alfa for last place, traditionally) now whereas previously they were much better than that. A worry... |
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Post by michael on Jul 24, 2017 14:47:13 GMT
This is surely just a run out special to see it off. The XJ must be getting quite long in the tooth. I read recently the Suziki Jimny is the oldest model in production but the XJ can't be that far behind. It's architecture is from the old model too so the new model can't come soon enough. It's a shame as there was a time the XJ was the UK's best selling large saloon, I'd be surprised if they sold many more than Lexus these days.
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Post by alf on Jul 24, 2017 15:15:42 GMT
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Post by Ben on Jul 24, 2017 15:20:37 GMT
Hmm. Not a bad idea really.
The current XJ's been around since 2010 I believe, so yeah, it's pretty long in the tooth.
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Post by PG on Jul 24, 2017 16:56:54 GMT
They are rather good value. |
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 25, 2017 10:34:20 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 25, 2017 11:06:40 GMT
Are they cheap though?
Don't think I'd want to be putting 30k plus into one and compared to the German alternatives its a risky place to stick your money.
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Post by alf on Jul 25, 2017 11:42:31 GMT
compared to the German alternatives its a risky place to stick your money. One of my least-favourite phrases of all time, that! The cause of many a car purchase, "because its sensible". Personally I view depreciation in terms of £ lost, I would feel happier sinking £28k into the 2011 one on the basis its barely asking for more than an XFR of the same age, than £46k into the other one. Not least because £46k buys an awful not new, and sub £30k gets little that would interest me new! I appreciate the sentiment, the 2016 car is good value, but £46k is a lot of money. About what is left on my mortgage, for one.. |
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Post by Tim on Jul 25, 2017 13:09:19 GMT
Are they cheap though? Don't think I'd want to be putting 30k plus into one and compared to the German alternatives its a risky place to stick your money.
Really? Have you seen used prices of 7 series, A8s and S Classes?
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 25, 2017 13:36:52 GMT
Exactly what I mean, the Germans are dirt cheap already compared to the Jag. Yes they'll continue to fall but the Jag seems higher up the cliff
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Post by Tim on Jul 25, 2017 15:07:19 GMT
Ah that makes sense.
I thought you were saying the German options held their value better!!
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Post by PetrolEd on Jul 25, 2017 15:40:28 GMT
Only if you count the Panamera, which I guess is more of a rival for the XJ then the S-class, A8 & 7 Series
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Post by Tim on Jul 25, 2017 15:48:27 GMT
I don't see the Panamera as a rival to any other car unless you have an unhealthy fascination with Chrysler Crossfires but want something a bit newer  |
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Post by chipbutty on Jul 25, 2017 16:35:02 GMT
Each to his own, etc - but I don't get that.
£29k for a 6 year old, 40k mile model from an independent with a " not worth the paper it's written on warranty"
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£46k for a 1 year old, 10k mile model from a main dealer with 2 years warranty (latest model with the LED light, in control pro, 550ps engine, sport seats, etc).
A no brainer of epic proportions (if you want a mega power limo).
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Post by Martin on Jul 25, 2017 16:37:29 GMT
Totally agree with chipbutty.
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Post by racingteatray on Jul 28, 2017 10:01:06 GMT
I don't see the Panamera as a rival to any other car unless you have an unhealthy fascination with Chrysler Crossfires but want something a bit newer Except that the new estate-thingy version of the Panamera is actually quite appealing.
Bit darn pricey though...£74k for a standard 4 with similar power and less performance than my GC and £94k if you want a 4S with the performance you'd actually expect it to have.
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Post by Martin on Jul 28, 2017 10:48:34 GMT
Then well over £100k for the spec you'd want.
I'd have the estate (Sport Turismo...) like a shot if I could justify the cost, which is roughly double what I'm currently paying per month and more than a 911 GTS would be, so a bit too much of a stretch even for my man maths.
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Post by Tim on Jul 28, 2017 11:22:20 GMT
I agree the estate version looks a lot nicer but every time I see a Panamera I'm surprised at just how big they are.
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Post by alf on Jul 28, 2017 15:36:52 GMT
I have a soft spot for Panameras, even the older ones, but they are indeed massive - if a little smaller I would be more interested. I'd need a Turbo to not feel short-changed from the XFR, and I doubt it would be cheap to buy or run, poor value compared to what I have now. I'm not sure I want to try out "real world" costs for running what would be a slightly ageing Panamera Turbo, any more than I would a Cayenne Turbo, as daily transport doing plenty of miles. But I can see the appeal for sure...
The Sport Turismo was news to me, just looked it up and I really like it. Its a bit like the 4-seat 4WD Ferrari thing, which would be superb transport for someone with the means to buy and run it! I'd love to drive off to Wales with two mountain bikes stuck on the roof, but I can't see it happening in a hurry.
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Post by Alex on Aug 22, 2017 17:11:25 GMT
Mmm. Not sure of the point to be honest. I would have thought that most private buyers would go for an XFR. They might but Jaguar can at least get a headline figure but just turning up the boost in order to help maintain a trickle of sales until the new model arrives. |
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