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Post by franki68 on Apr 19, 2023 12:18:21 GMT
Had a good hour in one this morning.Unfortunately another one to cross off the list.
Well it is a fabulous thing,and the only car I can think of that would be faster cross country is a 911 turbo of some form because god is it quick through the corners.(In fact I think I may have rebroken my ribs going through some corners such is the g force it pulls) The car was very highly specced (it's the car on lakeside classics) but the experience overall was very numb.It is very quick although to be honest it does not feel as quick as the figures suggest but it only had 1000 miles on the clock and in my experience a porsche engine does not start working properly until 10k miles .
The car rode quite well actually ,better than my 991.2 gts did anyway and in every objective way it is fantastic car and would make a great purchase,but it was lacking in some key areas.It was not a 911 ,it does not feel like a 911 there is no sense of that engine placement and in many respects felt like a fast audi in that it is so good yet un exciting.
I don't know if the c2 gts is more fun but this car was very much like a Turbo but without thrill the turbo gives you from the insanity of its performance.
I drove home in the gt3 and had more fun and more excitement in the first ten minutes than I did the hour in the gts.
Obviously if you want one car to use every day and want a 911 it is great but I think I actually preferred my 991.2 gts as it felt more like a 911 than this did.
The quest goes on but I am running out of options.
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Post by Martin on Apr 19, 2023 13:00:23 GMT
I also wonder if the 2 GTS might be better, it's certainly been very well reviewed. But I suspect most cars in this price range aren't going to feel all that exciting when you're used to and thinking about it replacing a GT3.
I think most of us would have a different view on the thrill you get from a c7.5 second 0-100 level of performance!
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Post by johnc on Apr 19, 2023 13:04:24 GMT
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Post by johnc on Apr 19, 2023 13:11:31 GMT
I think most of us would have a different view on the thrill you get from a c7.5 second 0-100 level of performance! That's about the same as the M5! And the M5 can go sideways. We could always do a swap for a month Franki to see how you like it! |
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Post by Martin on Apr 19, 2023 13:17:35 GMT
I think most of us would have a different view on the thrill you get from a c7.5 second 0-100 level of performance! That's about the same as the M5! And the M5 can go sideways. We could always do a swap for a month Franki to see how you like it! I did think it was about the same as the M5, which is why I said most of us! Although I assume that even after a few years you still think the performance is fairly thrilling? Sounds like a fair swap  |
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 19, 2023 14:23:50 GMT
I deffo think it would be worth trying out a 2wd version but if I remember rightly the early press drives all made mention of the 992 feelin more mid then rear engined. Of course if that floats your boat you could save yourself a useful bob and get a Cayman/Boxster GTS.
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Post by franki68 on Apr 19, 2023 14:52:45 GMT
I think most of us would have a different view on the thrill you get from a c7.5 second 0-100 level of performance! That's about the same as the M5! And the M5 can go sideways. We could always do a swap for a month Franki to see how you like it! The m5 cs has been on the radar but it could be a great way to do loads of money in quickly . |
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Post by franki68 on Apr 19, 2023 14:56:28 GMT
I also wonder if the 2 GTS might be better, it's certainly been very well reviewed. But I suspect most cars in this price range aren't going to feel all that exciting when you're used to and thinking about it replacing a GT3. I think most of us would have a different view on the thrill you get from a c7.5 second 0-100 level of performance! It’s the manner of the performance ,it’s probably quicker than the gt3 on the road .Reminds me of an rs6 in that you go very fast very quickly but there is no drama . The gt3 makes the hairs on your neck stand up . |
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Post by franki68 on Apr 19, 2023 14:59:51 GMT
I deffo think it would be worth trying out a 2wd version but if I remember rightly the early press drives all made worse 911’ mention of the 992 feelin more mid then rear engined. Of course if that floats your boat you could save yourself a useful bob and get a Cayman/Boxster GTS. I drove the c4s & c2s on launch .. more gt than sports cars and yes you don’t feel that weight at the rear and they do feel more mid engined. Not sure if I said it on here or PH but I said ‘it’s a better car ,but a worse 911’ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 15:05:59 GMT
Call me old fashioned, or, just old. Is that hair on the back of the neck the major draw in cars like these? Shirley tactility and sense of occasion are THE reson detre of any car costing this sort of money or you may as well buy a Goluf. Diesel 1.0.
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Post by Tim on Apr 19, 2023 15:48:53 GMT
One of my friends has had a C4 GTS (I think its a GTS!) for about 18 months and when I recently asked him how he enjoyed it the response wasn't overwhelming. I don't think he wanted to say he was disappointed having spent £120k on it but that was the feeling I got.
It's his first Porsche and he was very excited when he first got it.
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Post by franki68 on Apr 20, 2023 9:18:32 GMT
Call me old fashioned, or, just old. Is that hair on the back of the neck the major draw in cars like these? Shirley tactility and sense of occasion are THE reson detre of any car costing this sort of money or you may as well buy a Goluf. Diesel 1.0. Hairs on back of neck = excitement and the specialness of such an engine not sure a 1 litre golf does that . Well firstly I’m obviously spoilt so my criteria and judgments are based around years of driving such cars ,I’m sure if was running round in a golf all these cars would be amazing ,and they are all fantastic cars just for small things non have hit the mark and made me go ‘I must have one’ I Maybe I’m hoping to find something that doesn’t cost anymore ,or if it does at a price level I am uncomfortable with . I was going to post the following anyway before reading this . The engine was noticeably turbo charged ,much more so than the amg v8 in the aston vantage and way more than the Ferrari portofino . What I have found in these test drives is aside from the Ferrari non of these cars feel like 150k cars ,the aston felt like a merc and the porsche well as with all Porsche you could be sat in a boxster,macan, 911 ,they are pretty identical and just doesn’t feel special . |
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Post by johnc on Apr 20, 2023 9:24:05 GMT
That's about the same as the M5! And the M5 can go sideways. We could always do a swap for a month Franki to see how you like it! I did think it was about the same as the M5, which is why I said most of us! Although I assume that even after a few years you still think the performance is fairly thrilling? Sounds like a fair swap The performance still thrills especially if you have had a few days stuck in traffic and then you get an opportunity to open it up. It's not just the sheer acceleration though, it's the way it handles some on the bumpy local B roads by soaking up the bumps and camber changes with a suspension sophistication that belies the size of the car. My friend's M5 Competition isn't as good in those conditions/circumstances and can feel too stiff. On the smooth stuff though it would have a bit more composure than mine at high speed - hardly a everyday occurrence. I would normally be looking to change a car at this stage in my ownership but there is nothing else that I want to change it for and certainly the big increases in new car prices just add weight to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2023 10:04:22 GMT
Call me old fashioned, or, just old. Is that hair on the back of the neck the major draw in cars like these? Shirley tactility and sense of occasion are THE reson detre of any car costing this sort of money or you may as well buy a Goluf. Diesel 1.0. Hairs on back of neck = excitement and the specialness of such an engine not sure a 1 litre golf does that . Well firstly I’m obviously spoilt so my criteria and judgments are based around years of driving such cars ,I’m sure if was running round in a golf all these cars would be amazing ,and they are all fantastic cars just for small things non have hit the mark and made me go ‘I must have one’ I Maybe I’m hoping to find something that doesn’t cost anymore ,or if it does at a price level I am uncomfortable with . I was going to post the following anyway before reading this . The engine was noticeably turbo charged ,much more so than the amg v8 in the aston vantage and way more than the Ferrari portofino . What I have found in these test drives is aside from the Ferrari non of these cars feel like 150k cars ,the aston felt like a merc and the porsche well as with all Porsche you could be sat in a boxster,macan, 911 ,they are pretty identical and just doesn’t feel special . My point being that if a thoroughbred does not do the "Hairs on the back of the neck thing", you may as well have a one litre Golf seeing as that will miss the yardstick too but be a sight cheaper to buy and operate. |
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Post by alf on Apr 20, 2023 10:44:53 GMT
I must admit I absolutely love the look of 991 and 992 911's, they have a big "want" factor. I followed some form of newish 992 for a while yesterday and was very fond of it, the Targas in particular are a weak spot for me, I can see why people buy them. The driver - a lady a bit younger than me from what I could see - looked like an advanced driver from her road positioning, and adherence to 30/40 limits before belting off again. Most acceptable.
However.... New and SH they cost a fortune compared with what 911's traditionally were worth. Assuming the rear seats in 991/992 cars are still not suitable for four actual humans, I guess the struggle I have with them is why not have a sports saloon and a Cayman or Boxster instead? With cars being ever heavier, and most of that weight coming from things enthusiasts don't want (often parts sharing with EV's which need heavier parts), I can see a lot of people "like us" running multi car solutions of slightly older cars, because they are so much more fun to drive...
If it was me, and it was a new 911 vs something like a not that old Boxster/Cayman and a used M5/M3/Guilia QF/C63/E63 then I'm personally always going to go for the two car solution. Being able to seat 4 adults, and to do long business trips in true comfort, is great. As is a manual gearbox in a lightweight toy. They are nigh on impossible things to merge into each other...
For you Franki, assuming you already have that comfortable car sorted with the Maccan, I guess Lotus, McLaren, Alpine and Ferrari are the ones that spring to mind as playthings that also ride well. It's a shame Alpines only have a 4 pot really, the write ups otherwise are amazing. I agree that anything too stiff is hard to enjoy unless you are lucky with your local roads... And what about another R8, don't they ride much better than most fast Audis??
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Post by franki68 on Apr 20, 2023 12:01:07 GMT
Hairs on back of neck = excitement and the specialness of such an engine not sure a 1 litre golf does that . Well firstly I’m obviously spoilt so my criteria and judgments are based around years of driving such cars ,I’m sure if was running round in a golf all these cars would be amazing ,and they are all fantastic cars just for small things non have hit the mark and made me go ‘I must have one’ I Maybe I’m hoping to find something that doesn’t cost anymore ,or if it does at a price level I am uncomfortable with . I was going to post the following anyway before reading this . The engine was noticeably turbo charged ,much more so than the amg v8 in the aston vantage and way more than the Ferrari portofino . What I have found in these test drives is aside from the Ferrari non of these cars feel like 150k cars ,the aston felt like a merc and the porsche well as with all Porsche you could be sat in a boxster,macan, 911 ,they are pretty identical and just doesn’t feel special . My point being that if a thoroughbred does not do the "Hairs on the back of the neck thing", you may as well have a one litre Golf seeing as that will miss the yardstick too but be a sight cheaper to buy and operate. Yes which why I haven’t bought any of them and why I’m still searching . |
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Post by franki68 on Apr 20, 2023 12:03:58 GMT
I must admit I absolutely love the look of 991 and 992 911's, they have a big "want" factor. I followed some form of newish 992 for a while yesterday and was very fond of it, the Targas in particular are a weak spot for me, I can see why people buy them. The driver - a lady a bit younger than me from what I could see - looked like an advanced driver from her road positioning, and adherence to 30/40 limits before belting off again. Most acceptable. However.... New and SH they cost a fortune compared with what 911's traditionally were worth. Assuming the rear seats in 991/992 cars are still not suitable for four actual humans, I guess the struggle I have with them is why not have a sports saloon and a Cayman or Boxster instead? With cars being ever heavier, and most of that weight coming from things enthusiasts don't want (often parts sharing with EV's which need heavier parts), I can see a lot of people "like us" running multi car solutions of slightly older cars, because they are so much more fun to drive... If it was me, and it was a new 911 vs something like a not that old Boxster/Cayman and a used M5/M3/Guilia QF/C63/E63 then I'm personally always going to go for the two car solution. Being able to seat 4 adults, and to do long business trips in true comfort, is great. As is a manual gearbox in a lightweight toy. They are nigh on impossible things to merge into each other... For you Franki, assuming you already have that comfortable car sorted with the Maccan, I guess Lotus, McLaren, Alpine and Ferrari are the ones that spring to mind as playthings that also ride well. It's a shame Alpines only have a 4 pot really, the write ups otherwise are amazing. I agree that anything too stiff is hard to enjoy unless you are lucky with your local roads... And what about another R8, don't they ride much better than most fast Audis?? I’m not keen on the looks ,when I had one it was new and fresh looking but the later models don’t look that great ,but the engine is very alluring .It’s a possibility along with an older n/a v12 aston as I love those engines |
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Post by racingteatray on Apr 20, 2023 14:43:10 GMT
Has a McLaren been considered?
One of my senior colleagues replaced his 991 Turbo with one (a 600 Spider I think) and is very chuffed with it.
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Post by Martin on Apr 20, 2023 15:01:32 GMT
I've got a big 'want' for a 992 as well, particularly the GTS. It being described as feeling like a mid engined GT car sounds great to me!
The problem I've got it usage, I really don't think I would use it enough to justify putting that amount of cash into one, as it really would be a toy. I'd also need to go to a 3 car fleet as well, as there's no way I would want Lindsay using it for the nursery run when it's raining and she (understandably) doesn't want to walk. That means even more money being 'invested' in having one.
Other cars which might make more sense as a toy would get even less use as at least having small rear seats means the 3 of us could go out in it at the weekend.
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Post by PetrolEd on Apr 20, 2023 15:06:04 GMT
Call me old fashioned, or, just old. Is that hair on the back of the neck the major draw in cars like these? Shirley tactility and sense of occasion are THE reson detre of any car costing this sort of money or you may as well buy a Goluf. Diesel 1.0. Hairs on back of neck = excitement and the specialness of such an engine not sure a 1 litre golf does that . Maybe I’m hoping to find something that doesn’t cost anymore ,or if it does at a price level I am uncomfortable with . The only cars that qualify as looking great value compared to a 911 are McLaren's. Compared to a GT3 a 600LT looks cheap but probably a bit too extreme and therefore a 570GT or 720S would suit. The appreciation on the GT3 can then go to support a decent warranty for the McLaren. Outside choice www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207197931011?advertising-location=at_cars&include-delivery-option=on&make=Honda&model=NSX&page=1&postcode=gu71ng&fromsra |
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Post by Andy C on Apr 20, 2023 15:32:22 GMT
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 20, 2023 15:35:14 GMT
I've got a big 'want' for a 992 as well, particularly the GTS. It being described as feeling like a mid engined GT car sounds great to me! The problem I've got it usage, I really don't think I would use it enough to justify putting that amount of cash into one, as it really would be a toy. This is where I have been for some time hence keeping running a bike. I also have a severe dislike of the 992 rear end compared the 991(with sports exhaust): one of the dads on the school run has a 992 C4 GTS Convertible and it looks a bit slabby / bulbous at the rear end. Like a good number of the mums to be fair. |
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Post by Martin on Apr 20, 2023 15:40:41 GMT
I've got a big 'want' for a 992 as well, particularly the GTS. It being described as feeling like a mid engined GT car sounds great to me! The problem I've got it usage, I really don't think I would use it enough to justify putting that amount of cash into one, as it really would be a toy. This is where I have been for some time hence keeping running a bike. I also have a severe dislike of the 992 rear end compared the 991(with sports exhaust): one of the dads on the school run has a 992 C4 GTS Convertible and it looks a bit slabby / bulbous at the rear end. Like a good number of the mums to be fair. I don't mind the rear end of the std car, but really like it when it has the Sport Design Pack. I've never liked the Aerokit on the 911, but it's my guilty pleasure on the 992. Sport Design pack / GTS rear  |
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Post by clunes on Apr 20, 2023 17:26:42 GMT
I know this is an Alpina and therefore has an entirely different depreciation curve to anything 'BMW" but surely this wouldn't be immune to epic financial loss? O. |
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Post by Big Blue on Apr 20, 2023 21:09:10 GMT
I know this is an Alpina and therefore has an entirely different depreciation curve to anything 'BMW" but surely this wouldn't be immune to epic financial loss?O. Cliff. Face. |
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Post by franki68 on Apr 21, 2023 13:01:46 GMT
I am actually still in shock at how fast it covered the ground.I am not joking when I mentioned my ribs ,I broke them 4 months ago and had no issues recently but I got out of the gts and they have been killing me ever since.The car does something like 0-60 in 3 seconds and I was mashing the throttle to the floor and sailing round corners,it would murder the gt3 on country roads,it would murder anything bar a 911 turbo . I haven't checked actually if it had PDCC (dynamic chassis control) which keeps it flat through corners ,that may have give it that weird feeling of knowing how fast you are going but not feeling it though the bends as the car stays completely flat.
Please don't mistake my comments as in any way not liking the car(s) but for the money these are I think they need something to make you feel special,the gt3 does it with it's engine and the ferrari did it to be honest because it feels bespoke,it does not have audi parts rebadged as porsche nor merc parts rebadged as aston.The GTS just felt like another Porsche ...maybe after so many of them (12 ) it is just me .
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