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Post by Boxer6 on Jan 21, 2023 20:19:05 GMT
Had a reasonably long sit (not a test drive unfortunately - yet) in a 67-plate A6 Avant quattro SE this afternoon. I found it a very nice place to be (more pleasing to my eyes than the 19-plate A4 S-Line just along the row). Managed a seat in a few BMW's too, I was quite impressed with the 3-year old X3 I sat in - but, I digress.
Has anyone got real-world experience of both these engines? The official (AT!) figures show the Audi option to be more fuel efficient, but I'm also interested in folks' actual comparative reports re reliability, service costs etc if anyone is able to provide that.
This is only one of the many factors of course, but it will be a fairly big part of the final decision of what to buy once test drives are done and dusted.
Thanks in advance guys.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 21, 2023 20:42:37 GMT
The 3 litre BMW diesel is superb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 23:30:25 GMT
No first hand but, apparently the Beemer variety are really cooking on gas these days. Sorry.
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Post by Alex on Jan 23, 2023 6:18:09 GMT
The 3 litre BMW diesel is superb. Just not in the hands of the Police!
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Post by Tim on Jan 23, 2023 7:51:38 GMT
The 3 litre in the BMW is a great engine. I think they're addressing the flammable EGR issue - mine's due to go in for its 2nd recall on this whenever I get round to booking it in. Fuel economy on mine is sitting around 43/44 which is the same as the 320d that preceeded it. It's a fairly smooth engine with a nice growl.
I don't have any experience of the Audi equivalent but sis spend a few months in a 67 plate A6 2.0TDi quattro. The inside was a nice enough place but I got increasingly irritated by the bluetooth and it's lack of willingness to reconnect after even the shortest of stops, e.g. for fuel. The BMW isn't perfect in this regard but its certainly superior to the Audi. I also didn't like the position of the heater and seat controls at the bottom of the centre console and angled slightly in at the bottom. The other thing that I really didn't like was the gearbox. I don't know what's in the 3 litre but the 2 litre had the group's DSG. I found it very frustrating pulling out of junctions, there would be a slow pull away then a dramatic response after a slightly too long hesitation during which you'd pressed the throttle even harder.
Suffice to say I'm happier in a BM than I was in the Audi.
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Post by johnc on Jan 23, 2023 8:35:09 GMT
Audi has/had 3 different 3 litre engines. There was a detuned version with something like 208hp, there was then the "normal" one with about 245/250hp and then the twin turbo version with over 300hp.
I had a client who went from an A6 2 litre to the lower powered 3 litre and he really liked the increased refinement and the economy must have been pretty good too because he didn't complain about it and if there was an issue I would have known about it. I am pretty sure the lower powered engine was sold at the time as being economical.
I agree with Tim on the gearbox which on Susan's 2 litre petrol A5 could be a bit sluggish to pull away - I had the feeling that when you came to a halt it stayed in 2nd gear and tried to pull away in 2nd too but if you put your foot down it would then change down to 1st which didn't make for the smoothest or most rapid of getaways. The 3 litre diesel though might have the torque to deal with that situation and you would only find that out on a test drive.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 23, 2023 9:57:01 GMT
I have no experience of either, but do have plenty of experience of the Benz 3-litre which is wonderful. Smooth and quiet most of the time, with an almost V8 growl when you prod it. The 9G auto box is outstanding and never in the wrong gear. Reliability is good and my overall average since getting the car is 41 MPG. 47 MPG is normal for a motorway run. The E-class is very much a mile-eating cruiser, though, and not really a car for a B-road blast.
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Post by Boxer6 on Jan 23, 2023 10:14:58 GMT
Thanks for all the replies. I must admit, my preference even before I asked was the BMW option, purely because I've read much more about them here and elsewhere. Anyone who has experienced the BMW variant has loved it, gearbox too, whereas I haven't seen a great deal about the Audi motor either good or bad, which says something about it in itself really.
I had a longish sit in a 520d M-Sport too, and must admit I much preferred the layout, and i-Drive seems incredibly easy to use compared to the Audi option, which on short acquaintance seem far too fiddly by comparison. The seats are far more comfortable and supportive too.
Whether I end up with a 2.0L or 3.0L-engined car, I think it will almost certainly be Bavarian.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 23, 2023 12:41:25 GMT
I very much like a 6 cyl diesel in the right car. I've driven the Porsche 3.0 d in the Macan and Panamera and it was very good and assume its just the VW lump in different tune and a better gearbox attached. I've driven a the Merc unit in an E-class with no complaints and been driven an X5 40d which certainly didn't want for performance.
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Post by franki68 on Jan 23, 2023 14:15:04 GMT
I had the audi 3l diesel in the allroad I had,and the 3l diesel in the cayenne is basically an audi engine and had the 3l bmw engine in the 335d.(also had the merc 3l unit in the ML )
The bmw is the better engine ,but bear in mind non of the ones I have experienced are the current engines.
The BMW was far more economical (in fairness the allroad and cayenne are significantly heavier cars) ,the gearbox much better in the bmw as well.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 23, 2023 17:53:01 GMT
SiL has the Audi A6 one. They’ve had it since new and it must be 6-7 years old. They do mega miles in it, between Czech, Austria and Slovakia on an almost weekly basis as well as holidays to France, Italy and Croatia. I think my nephew uses it for to and from Uni in Olomouc weekly as well, leaving the dodgy old Honda to his sister. It’s never done anything wrong and still looks smart.
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Post by Blarno on Jan 23, 2023 18:26:40 GMT
Obviously the BMW M/N57 is the one you want.
I believe there can be issues with the cam chains on the Audi V6 TDi engine. If what I've been told is correct, the chains are at the back of the engine, meaning any work on them requires the engine to be removed.
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Post by michael on Jan 23, 2023 18:40:02 GMT
The JLR 3.0 diesel in my car, don’t know the name, is refined but not entirely economical in that particular application. Then again in the XF Sportybrakes it was neck snapping quick and I don’t think that thirsty.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 23, 2023 18:45:31 GMT
The JLR 3.0 diesel in my car, don’t know the name, is refined but not entirely economical in that particular application. Then again in the XF Sportybrakes it was neck snapping quick and I don’t think that thirsty. A work colleague regularly gets north of 50MPG from his XF 3.0d
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Post by clunes on Jan 24, 2023 15:30:11 GMT
I ran the BMW twin turbo lump in the 640dGC - so same unit as found in all the *35d and *40d options.
It was / is a very impressive motor and, for a diesel, even made a reasonable noise/rumble. It was as fast as you could ever really need (perhaps not want although easy to map for more torque/power) and it was hugely flexible whilst delivering commendable economy on a longer run at steady speeds (around town etc nowhere near as good but that applies to almost anything).
If you are going the diesel route it's probably the best option out there and is very easy to live with and offers huge every day performance but (and this isn't specific to the BMW) it lacks character, interest and 'fun'. It was as fast as my old Jag SV8 and easily twice as economical but never raised a smile (more of a nod of respect)
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Post by Blarno on Jan 24, 2023 19:46:13 GMT
I love the noise my 330d makes, it's a subdued rumble that turns into a low howl at higher RPM. Mine is only the 230 bhp version, but is not even close to being underpowered. I probably will get it remapped soon.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 24, 2023 23:04:01 GMT
My father had an A7 with the BiTurbo 3.0 diesel lump and I remember it sounded remarkably good for a diesel. He then had an SQ5 Plus, which I think had an even snortier version of the same engine. He liked them.
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Post by alf on Feb 1, 2023 11:01:41 GMT
Tina still has her A5 cab 3.0 TDi, about 245bhp IIRC. For her, she has had it a while (3 years this summer) and the engine is definitely the strongest point in the car. It sounds nicely thrummy even at low speeds, clearly a V6, and the power is near instant - it markedly lacks the initial pause affecting every 4 pot diesel I've ever driven. MPG is usually mid-high 40's, in a heavy 4WD car this is impressive. So I can't compare with th BMW equivalent but its been a great lump for us!
The gearbox is less clever, I much prefer the ZF proper auto used by BMW and Jaguar - some Audis have them, but not this one...
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