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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 0:28:38 GMT
So, the current Phish has decided to challenge everything under the sun and is using the gender recognition bill as another dead horse to phlog.
How much sleep does she lose coming up with all these losing wickets? Shirley she knows the UK standard will be maintained so, is she going after the votes of yet another minority group?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 17, 2023 6:52:36 GMT
She’s doing it purely to provoke a confrontation with the UK Government and present it to her acolytes as one more reason for independence.
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Post by johnc on Jan 17, 2023 8:21:00 GMT
Personally, I can't see how any hormone controlled 16 year old is stable enough to make a decision about a gender change when their body is still developing. I remember guys at school who were a bit confused about whether they were attracted to boys or girls at that age. A couple of years later they were much more sorted and had pretty much decided which camp they belonged in. The Scottish Parliament decision was made for the right reasons but with no application of common sense.
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Post by Tim on Jan 17, 2023 8:39:58 GMT
It seems like a slightly odd ruling for Westminster to draw a line at though, I'm sure there have been/will be much more important bits of legislation to use as a standpoint given the likely fallout of doing so. I agree that 16 is way too young to make that sort of decision. Is there a limit to the number of times someone can change as their thoughts change when they move out of the 'awkward teenager trying to be 'different'' stage? I was slightly disappointed about the subject of this thread when I opened it, thought it was going to be about some undeserving wankstain being gifted £1M to piss in the wind (since he says he's not going to try to be PM again)!  |
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Post by michael on Jan 17, 2023 8:53:08 GMT
It seems like a slightly odd ruling for Westminster to draw a line at though, I'm sure there have been/will be much more important bits of legislation to use as a standpoint given the likely fallout of doing so. [br They had no choice as the effects wouldn’t be confined within the Scottish Borders. For example, a Scotland resident identifies a different gender than applies for a passport in that gender when they would not qualify in the rest of the uk. My understanding is that’s for this reason it’s a reserved matter. It’s playing politics in the worst kind of way. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 17, 2023 10:47:12 GMT
Here's a novel idea; instead of trying to pigeon-hole children from birth, why not let them be children, individuals, enjoying growing up without feeling they have to conform to any gender roles?
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Post by johnc on Jan 17, 2023 11:02:26 GMT
My wife has told me that she wants to be known as Trans - Transparent and she she wants to be referred to as Where or Who
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Post by Tim on Jan 17, 2023 14:04:04 GMT
Here's a novel idea; instead of trying to pigeon-hole children from birth, why not let them be children, individuals, enjoying growing up without feeling they have to conform to any gender roles? That's a great idea. However the downfall appears to be in people like us. I look at people like Simon Cowell and see some dodgy opld manipulative guy who has contributed to the sexualisation of younger women/girls - all these girl bands haven't come up with their 'look', etc without the guidance of mature adults. I'm really glad I don't have kids because the world appears to be a significantly different place to what it was when I was in my teens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 14:20:15 GMT
Here's a novel idea; instead of trying to pigeon-hole children from birth, why not let them be children, individuals, enjoying growing up without feeling they have to conform to any gender roles? I beleive there are far too many interest groups with political ambition to permit that sort of nosense occur.
The reef oilt tanker has more and more subjects to fill it.
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Post by PG on Jan 19, 2023 14:06:56 GMT
They had no choice as the effects wouldn’t be confined within the Scottish Borders. For example, a Scotland resident identifies a different gender than applies for a passport in that gender when they would not qualify in the rest of the uk. My understanding is that’s for this reason it’s a reserved matter. It’s playing politics in the worst kind of way. Agreed. What part of the devolution act does Sturgeon think allows her to pass this sort of law anyway? Is it under "health"? I guess when the devolution act was drawn up nobody could see int the future and people changing their gender at will. It shows that devolution generally needs revisiting, although I doubt any party is willing to go there. The stupidities of the Covid restrictions, for example, show that the limits on local powers are currently drawn in the wrong places. |
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Post by michael on Jan 31, 2023 9:59:01 GMT
It’s all going very well :
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 31, 2023 10:35:57 GMT
She opened that can of worms and she now needs to deal with it.
Lid was best left firmly in place.
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Post by johnc on Jan 31, 2023 10:47:43 GMT
What about a trans prisoner who has committed violence against a man. Do they get their own prison?
All this political correctness is just madness and having to call someone "they" is lunacy. In my opinion, if you were born with man bits, you are a man unless you get them cut off in which case I will concede you can now be called a woman. I reckon I am pretty broad minded and also very accommodating to others needs but this whole issue is just off the scale crazy: it would need a wholesale re-writing of language and people would need to wear hats with their gender on it so others can know before they stick their foot in it.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 31, 2023 11:44:32 GMT
Except in a tiny amount of cases you're either born male or female. Fortunately, we live in a progressive society where, if you don't like the cards nature has dealt you, then you can live a free and fulfilled life identifying as a member of the opposite sex, without let or hindrance. And that's right and how it should be. However, if you commit acts of violence against anyone of either sex then, I'm sorry, but you go to the prison selected by your birth sex.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 31, 2023 13:00:08 GMT
This is such a load of modern day bollocks it defies belief. European languages are having conferences to decide whether to remove gender from words that have had gender for centuries, thereby changing their entire grammatical approach and the language spoken.
Fucking madness. There is a reason why men have one less rib: it's because they have a bigger and stronger physique to make room for. It's also so you can tell a man born a man as they can't have ribs added!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 19:34:06 GMT
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Post by Tim on Feb 3, 2023 9:14:43 GMT
Remember sex and gender are different things.
Sex is what you were born with, gender is what you choose to identify as.
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Post by michael on Feb 3, 2023 9:45:03 GMT
Remember sex and gender are different things. Sex is what you were born with, gender is what you choose to identify as. Except that the argument seems to be that a person can change sex these days. The bigger problem is the protection of single sex spaces is so needlessly controversial. Prisons, refuges and sport should be single sex but this isn’t the case anymore. Exclusively at the cost of women. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 3, 2023 10:03:45 GMT
Remember sex and gender are different things. Sex is what you were born with, gender is what you choose to identify as. Except that the argument seems to be that a person can change sex these days. The bigger problem is the protection of single sex spaces is so needlessly controversial. Prisons, refuges and sport should be single sex but this isn’t the case anymore. Exclusively at the cost of women. I thought you had to be physically changed to be able to change sex? Agree about the single sex thing. Especially in sport it's a ridiculous set of arguments put forward be people who were formerly men and now compete at the highest level in the womens game (whichever sport it may be). |
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Post by michael on Feb 3, 2023 10:22:50 GMT
You can’t ever change sex.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 11:26:25 GMT
^, nope, it always will be the politically minded folks nail to hammer anyone who dares challenge them with. When it will return to merely being the human condition is anyone's guess.
Set. New balls please.........
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Post by johnc on Feb 15, 2023 11:10:10 GMT
She's Gone!!!
Through the grapevine I hear the more extreme in the party are trying to take control and if that is true it looks like they have been successful.
How the electorate view a more extreme party we will have to wait and see.
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Post by michael on Feb 15, 2023 11:14:27 GMT
Pray for Scotland.
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Post by Tim on Feb 15, 2023 11:41:39 GMT
How the electorate view a more extreme party we will have to wait and see. It appears to be a trend in politics globally. I reckon that most people want something centrist but that often appears not to be on the table. |
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Post by michael on Feb 15, 2023 11:49:04 GMT
The talent pool within the SNP seems pretty shallow at the best of times but given the volume of shit ready to hit the fan it is going to need competency that just isn’t there. I suspect it’ll all be blamed on Westminster which could send the electorate more extreme in either direction.
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Post by Tim on Feb 15, 2023 13:04:45 GMT
To be fair to the SNP blaming it on Westminster is an easy enough option due to the similar lack of talent in evidence there too!
I think we're all sort of fucked now, politics just doesn't appear to have many people with an ability to be a serious politician anymore. IF they are there then they're not in any positions of authority.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 15, 2023 13:12:43 GMT
I really like our local Conservative guy - he has done miles more for our local area than any of the previous MPs have all done put together.
I'm am no fan of any of the major players in any party at the moment.
With a bit of luck, the SNP will go so far to the extreme that they implode.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 15, 2023 13:21:28 GMT
Much the same has Jacinda Adern of NZ, she has recognized the writing's on the wall and is jumping before being pushed.
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Post by michael on Feb 15, 2023 14:18:16 GMT
To be fair to the SNP blaming it on Westminster is an easy enough option due to the similar lack of talent in evidence there too! I think we're all sort of fucked now, politics just doesn't appear to have many people with an ability to be a serious politician anymore. IF they are there then they're not in any positions of authority. The uncomfortable truth is we don’t pay them enough to attract the talent. |
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Post by PG on Feb 15, 2023 14:49:21 GMT
To be fair to the SNP blaming it on Westminster is an easy enough option due to the similar lack of talent in evidence there too! I think we're all sort of fucked now, politics just doesn't appear to have many people with an ability to be a serious politician anymore. IF they are there then they're not in any positions of authority. The uncomfortable truth is we don’t pay them enough to attract the talent. While in theory I could agree, if we increased pay to attract more talent, the current lot would not go. They'd dig in deeper. All we'd get is better paid useless politicians. I hope now that Sturgeon has resigned we can see a proper investigation into the missing £600k of donations to the SNP (which the police have now said they will investigate I read this morning). Also the mysterious £100k loan from her husband to the SNP that she, apparently, knew nothing about etc etc. She could definitely see the writing on the wall and she's jumped before she was pushed. |
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