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Post by Big Blue on Jan 13, 2023 10:13:54 GMT
I must admit when I saw franki's post in Your Cars I suspected it related to Harry's book "Spare". So I shall right the wrong of our absence of debate to cheer us all up on a Friday.
He really has sunk into the self-pitying, self serving world of the American celebrity - I've seen him likened to James Cordon in that respect and like that twat and Piers Morgan (who has alas returned) he can stay on the other side of the Atlantic. It's not easy to feel any sympathy for someone, even one who has experienced a maternal death, who has had an upbringing in a cosseted world and they inhabited it for so long.
Some of the things he's opened himself up for are beyond parody, whether you are a pro- or an anti-royal. "My brother broke my necklace as he pushed me over" says much about his experiences during his school career - how about "my brother pulled a crossbow bolt on me at three paces" or "my brother broke three knuckles on my eye socket when we had a fight down by the bridge after school." as would be experiences from my school (not me, I'll hastily add); and then suggesting his brother parrots the media impression of his wife when he (William) might actually be outlining his own views of someone he has factual experience of.
A couple of the best things that I've seen on social media regarding this have been "Poor bloke can't have any real mates otherwise at least one would've said "Mate, don't say that!"" and when Harry complains about the "Tell All" as told by Diana's former butler, Paul Burrell, one Barrister tweeted the irregular verb surrounding the book:
"I [Harry] frankly explain my side of a story.
You [Harry] make inopportune disclosures.
He [Paul Burrell] releases a tell-all book"
I don't think that the Royal Family are any more or less damaged by this revelation over any others (I mean, their Uncle Andrew.......) as Royalists are anti-Harry due to his wife and republicans live in a dream world anyway because they think people that seek positions of power are somehow a better option than those that have no choice (that's worked out well around the globe, yeah?). In the end he's made a load of money from this book, appeased his American audience by assuring them that their forefathers were all correct in fleeing the monarchies of Europe to be able to have armed school children shoot each other rather than have a King that once desired to be a tampon and like Edward VIII he and his (current) wife will be a side bar on an inside page of the newspapers when they pass away.
Most tellingly, the stories surrounding the book and the media coverage didn't make the top-ten most-read stories on BBC Pidgin, which serves the continent of Africa and the large numbers of commonwealth subjects that live there. No one cares about this shit when your neighbours are in danger of being chopped up by radicals in the middle of the night.
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 13, 2023 10:30:23 GMT
He comes across as a whiney little prick. I hope the organisers of the Invictus games kick him out.
The Andrew situation is a an odd one. As far as I'm concerned, 17 years old is legal in this country (or was - person of influence law) and I imagine that young lady at that time wanted to fuck a prince.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 13, 2023 10:59:36 GMT
Royal family 1 Harry 0 in my opinion.
I do actually feel sorry for Harry as the death of his mother has had left him with deep rooted issues that he has yet to come to terms with. Now unfortunately he has decided that the best way to mental strength is not the way of doing it quietly but to go the way of celebrity and do it with as much noise and stone throwing as possible.
I can understand issues with his Dad and his relationship with Camilla, I get that he's pissed at his brother for being the spare part and I'm sure Will is equally pissed at Harry as he's able to do as he pleases.
Megan of course feels persecuted by not just the media but all Royals supporters and I get that but she has done the opposite of what has kept the Royals relevant all these years which is dignified silence. The only way to defeat the media is to say very little and not fan the flames. You shouldn't have to live that that but unfortunately it comes with the territory and knowing what your getting into.
Still it all seems a little perverse that Harry finds himself now very much in bed with the Media so he can call them out as shisters but happily take the large payment that comes with it. I thought the idea of venturing across the pond was to lay low not create a brand. If I was from Sussex I'd be asking for the title to be stripped and they can go back to being Meg and Haz.
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Post by michael on Jan 13, 2023 11:58:47 GMT
I see quote online and I don’t know what is real and what is parody.  |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 13, 2023 12:36:16 GMT
He comes across as a whiney little prick. I hope the organisers of the Invictus games kick him out. The Andrew situation is a an odd one. As far as I'm concerned, 17 years old is legal in this country (or was - person of influence law) and I imagine that young lady at that time wanted to fuck a prince. I think the issue is that she was a minor being trafficked across borders for sex. I feel sorry for Harry as he did lose his mother at an early age and he really has struggled to come to terms with it but I think the time has come to make good on that pledge of a slimmed down Royal Family and strip away all his titles and leave them as Mr & Mrs Meghan Markle. I think the family should make it clear they can't have any contact with him as it will just appear in his next book ( titled; Spare Again, probably), and they they only keep him around incase the future King needs a spare organ. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 12:45:36 GMT
For all his holding court and 'telling it like it is;, I very much doubt he wears the trousers in that particular association. I won't call it a marriage because two damaged people (IMHO) cannot make an informed decision between them. She is the 'little american girl who got a spare and not a prince'. Seems she was after a notch to rekindle a career whatever the cost to those around her and their kids are in that furball too, something she seems blindly unaware of.
Harry went through shit with his mum at a very early age and is no doubt scarred by this, he should have been helped by his life partner rather than being thrown under the bus.
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Post by Tim on Jan 13, 2023 13:19:09 GMT
I'm not overly bothered by this either way although its position as the main news story was irritating since there are other, nore important, things happening around the world.
Having said that it's VERY hard to have any sympathy for someone (or a couple) who claim they want a quiet life and are fearful of press intrusion then not only sell their story to various bits of the media that they apparently loathe multiple times but make a real effort to be in continued coverage.
Not to mention the relative levels of media privacy they are entitled to between here and the US (my understanding is that the US have much lower privacy laws).
Then there was the whole living in fear of their lives thing which was part of their apparent reason for gong to the US. Aye, as BB says they've gone to a land where armed children shoot each other. I don't think we get much of that in the UK......
Presumably at some point Harry might gain enough common sense to realise that he married badly and she's been using him for publicity and wealth.
I suspect that'll be around the time she leaves him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 15:46:21 GMT
All in a month where a six year old child shot a teacher, police report the shooting was NOT an accident.
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Post by Alex on Jan 13, 2023 19:30:08 GMT
I just can't help feel that he's failing to read the room right now by moaning about his lot whilst still enjoying incredible privilege, being unlikely to have to do a day's hard graft for the rest of his life at just the time that most people are struggling to afford to keep the lights on. All he's done since he met Megan is whinge and gripe so much he's starting to make Christian Horner look like a cheery chappy.
All this is going to really start people asking questions about the validity of having a Royal family, particularly one that has so many who do so little and whilst abolition of the monarchy doesn't solve any problems for the country there certainly is a good argument for them to be slimmed down and have a few less palaces being paid for by the public purse.
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Post by PG on Jan 14, 2023 14:23:53 GMT
I can't think of a single good thing to say about Harry. He has shown himself to be a petty, vidictive, whiney, me-me-me, head-case. All that expensive therapy has only succeeded in persuading him that it is always somebody else's fault. Er, no. It is not what happens to you in life that matters. It is how you choose to react to it.
And as for his wife. One J Clarkson was spot on.
They preach caring etc yada,yada, and yet see nothing wrong in just being publicly rude to their families. Go figure, as the Yanks would say.
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Post by Alex on Jan 15, 2023 7:12:41 GMT
One interesting point I heard made was in regards to his accusation that the Royal Family are guilty of unconscious bias. It was pointed out that the Royal Family by their very nature are probably the most consciously biased Family in the land by sheer dint of the belief that God anointed their Family to rule over all others in the Kingdom of Great Britain. Remove the underlying tenet that they are better than their subjects and the whole concept of their Royalty falls apart like a cheap suit.
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 23, 2023 23:46:33 GMT
To add another angle, I thought it was more than a touch self-centred of Meghan, sorry Harry, to assert that Meghan had somehow been uniquely horribly treated.
I mean I remember the press being pretty rude about “waitey Katie” for years, and people at posh parties in London used to openly make jokes about “doors to manual” and similar, whenever Kate or her mother dared to show up.
Charles wasn’t even allowed to marry the girl he wanted to marry - ie Camilla - he was sent off to sea to cool off and she was informed in no uncertain terms that she was unsuitable and needed to marry someone else pronto, which turned out to be serial philanderer Andrew Parker-Bowles.
And going back further, Prince Philip hardly had a warm welcome into the Windsors - in fact as a penniless European prince with nazi siblings, he was lucky to have Mountbatten scheming on his behalf.
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Post by michael on Jan 24, 2023 8:55:38 GMT
With Charles now proposing a coronation to pacify Guardian readers I’m increasingly of the view the royal family is finished.
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Post by Tim on Jan 24, 2023 15:38:25 GMT
I didn't realise the coronation was just to pacify a handful of newspaper readers.
Haven't all the previous new kings and queens had a coronation too?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 24, 2023 16:02:54 GMT
I think Charles has struck a decent balance between the tradition and pageantry of a Coronation while recognising this is the 21st Century and what was right for his mother in 1953 will not fly in 2023.
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Post by Tim on Jan 24, 2023 16:35:22 GMT
So is it the Guardian that's at fault for this OR is he simply following hundreds of years of tradition?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 24, 2023 22:58:23 GMT
With Charles now proposing a coronation to pacify Guardian readers I’m increasingly of the view the royal family is finished. I can’t say that I can get terribly excited by what sort of coronation Charles has. Much as I can’t get terribly fussed about the royal family in general. I’d never vote to dispense with them simply because the sort of pointless superannuated president that places like Ireland, Germany and Italy have doesn’t seem like an improvement to me. |
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Post by michael on Jan 25, 2023 9:16:34 GMT
A point about the royals is they ought to be politically neutral so wading into topics like migration, the environment and even the NHS is ground I think they’d best avoid.
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Post by Alex on Jan 25, 2023 9:30:56 GMT
A point about the royals is they ought to be politically neutral so wading into topics like migration, the environment and even the NHS is ground I think they’d best avoid. I think that as monarch yes but I never had a problem with Charles championing environmental issues when he was Prine of Wales but that's mainly because I don't think it should a political point that we need to improve biodiversity in our country and burn less stuff. I'm not a monarchist but equally the clamour for power people like Boris Johnson have for being prime minister is bad enough, imagine what it would be like if they were running for president! |
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 25, 2023 9:33:46 GMT
A point about the royals is they ought to be politically neutral so wading into topics like migration, the environment and even the NHS is ground I think they’d best avoid. Can you not be politically neutral but point out the obvious that the country seems to be crumbling at the seams. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 25, 2023 11:13:15 GMT
A point about the royals is they ought to be politically neutral so wading into topics like migration, the environment and even the NHS is ground I think they’d best avoid. Can you not be politically neutral but point out the obvious that the country seems to be crumbling at the seams. Exactly. The UK is becoming a corrupt basket case and we need somebody, anybody, to speak up and call for change. |
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 25, 2023 20:19:52 GMT
And ideally someone who is not associated with any of the main political parties, all of which are currently arguably unfit for purpose.
That is not a call for autocracy. Merely a note that something is broken in our system for choosing politicians. It doesn’t seem to favour the brightest and best, and does seem to favour senseless partisanship.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 26, 2023 9:22:28 GMT
Have you noticed he’s had his fortnight in the news and now no one gives a shit. Publisher has sold their books; tv shows have sold their advertising. All now irrelevant. Even anti- and pro- monarchy tweets are not anywhere near trending.
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