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Post by woofwoof on Dec 23, 2022 15:25:45 GMT
Back when I worked I dreaded snow and ice. I remember going to Newcastle (from the Middlesbrough area) in the snow in my Elan SE and having to be careful. When I had an Elise I was going back and forth to Berkshire every week but I don't remember taking it out in snow but that car had precious little grip when conditions were anything less than perfect so I probably didn't bother I remember getting briefly stuck on a slope in my 4ltr Jag S and being embarrassed as I had a car full of customers and people in hatch backs were getting up no problem. Thankfully the Jag did eventually find some grip and manage it. In my current MX5 I got stuck half way up a slope with a steep drop either side coming out of a hotel once. I walked back as I knew the manager had a LR and I thought he might pull me out and he was keen enough. His LR snaked all over and I thought we might go over the edge but we didn't, he did however crash into my car and did a few hundred £ worth of damage but he eventually pulled the MX5 up the slope and onto the road outside and it stayed there covered in snow for a couple of weeks until things eased and I could get up and drive it home. I think of the two seat soft tops I've had my MG Midget was probably the best in snow but I did spin it once thankfully without damage. These days I have the MX5, Getz and Evoque and I was just wondering which would be best in snow? Forget the MX5 but I wonder which will be better, the Getz or the Evoque? I think my money is on the Getz but am I wrong? What have you guys had which was good / awful in snow and ice? I guess tyres can make a huge difference? but I've never had anything but the ordinary for the UK ones.
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 23, 2022 16:16:12 GMT
The tyres will decide..... the first time we had snow for ages (round about 2001) I had put brand new front tyres on the Scenic on the evening that the snow started to fall (pure coincidence). The next morning I was able to drive to work and straight back home when they closed the site as there was no way of clearing the snow from the car parks on the business park.
The current Kuga has AWD and I have a photo somewhere of it being the only car in the work car park as everyone else had 2WD and couldn't or wouldn't attempt to drive into the car park. I don't fancy trying to drive in snow in the Fiesta, it has the optional 17" wheels and liquorice-thin tyre sidewalls; I fitted crossclimate tyres to the Captur a few years back and my wife didn't have issues driving in the admittedly minimal levels of snow we had at the time
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Post by Martin on Dec 23, 2022 16:38:50 GMT
The most fun in the snow was when we had the Boxster, which I fitted with Winter wheels/tyres. Taking it out in the snow, driving past SUVs who were struggling and seeing peoples surprise was quite entertaining. We live at the bottom of a hill, with a 90 degree turn off the drive and a neighbour with a Q7 couldn't get hold way up the hill and started to slide back down. I waited for him to roll it back home then just drove up in one go without any intervention from the traction control. No problems stopping to get back on the drive either, which is what do many people with AWD forget about when there is snow....
Despite having All Season M&S tyres rather than full winters, my current car is amazing in the snow. It's not just the tyres, the electronics make a big difference. I tried a fairly enthusiastic drive off in fresh snow with it in comfort and the traction/stability light was flashing away and there was side-side movement. Doing the same again with it in Grass/Gravel/Snow and it just pulled away as if there wasn't any snow at all.
I've also tried the Golf in the snow when it was fitted with Crossclimates and no issues at all. As I've said before (and Chris does), I'd run them all year round on a less sporting car.
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Post by rodge on Dec 23, 2022 18:12:39 GMT
When we lived in California, all of our 4wd cars had M&S tyres on them. It’s the law there that they have to be fitted. They make a huge difference but, I noticed that the new tyres I got on the Mondeo are great in the snow too. When I had the 325, the directional tyres I had were a disaster in the snow. I could only drive the car uphill after throwing a few bags of coal in the boot!
So defining fun in the snow, for slidy things, the 325. For making progress, I loved my RX300. 200bhp and tyres that were the right size for snow with about 10” of ground clearance could go anywhere. It wasn’t fast, just competent, and had a great heating system which included the seats. Great in 6000’ altitudes and minus temperatures. I can also confirm that the ECT Snow Mode worked for anyone who remembers Ravi’s post many years ago!
My X5 was fine but the tyre/wheel combination was not the most suitable 20” wheels by 8” at the front. But that said, it didn’t put a door wrong.
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Post by woofwoof on Dec 23, 2022 19:33:50 GMT
The most fun in the snow was when we had the Boxster, which I fitted with Winter wheels/tyres. Taking it out in the snow, driving past SUVs who were struggling and seeing peoples surprise was quite entertaining. We live at the bottom of a hill, with a 90 degree turn off the drive and a neighbour with a Q7 couldn't get hold way up the hill and started to slide back down. I waited for him to roll it back home then just drove up in one go without any intervention from the traction control. No problems stopping to get back on the drive either, which is what do many people with AWD forget about when there is snow.... Despite having All Season M&S tyres rather than full winters, my current car is amazing in the snow. It's not just the tyres, the electronics make a big difference. I tried a fairly enthusiastic drive off in fresh snow with it in comfort and the traction/stability light was flashing away and there was side-side movement. Doing the same again with it in Grass/Gravel/Snow and it just pulled away as if there wasn't any snow at all. I've also tried the Golf in the snow when it was fitted with Crossclimates and no issues at all. As I've said before (and Chris does), I'd run them all year round on a less sporting car. Oh. I forgot I had a Boxster. I must have taken it out in the snow as I had it years and at the time my GF lived in the back of beyond in Co. Durham. I must be getting old as I just don't remember, either that or there was no real drama. MX5... In snow... See the motorbike and pushbike in the background? Brave men There's a question. How did I take that picture without leaving any footprints? My first car was a Mini and I remember doing handbrake turns in the snow and actually not in the snow too. The CV joints were shot and the bloke at the garage said he'd never seen them as bad on such a new car. er... I remember Racing went to Russia in his BMW Z1.
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Post by woofwoof on Dec 23, 2022 19:40:20 GMT
I can also confirm that the ECT Snow Mode worked for anyone who remembers Ravi’s post many years ago! Ha! Funny that I forgot I had a Boxster but I remember Ravi's post being a running joke Actually I do remember driving my Elise in snow but only to and from Skelton which was one of the places I worked. It was sh!t Mine had the earlier aluminium and ceramic brakes which were just awful when they got wet and in fact they just stopped working. I think they changed them later, hopefully for better ones.
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 23, 2022 20:13:59 GMT
I can also confirm that the ECT Snow Mode worked for anyone who remembers Ravi’s post many years ago! Ha! Funny that I forgot I had a Boxster but I remember Ravi's post being a running joke Yes, I remember that well, too !
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 23, 2022 20:26:00 GMT
Tyres and tyres make most difference. With tyres helping too.
Decades ago we had a family holiday in Scotland and it snowed so badly we had no power for two days, those days being Christmas and Boxing Day. When we went out on Boxing Day lots of cars (like all of them) were struggling to make progress. We were in a W124 300E. With winter tyres and black steel wheels. It drove normally.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 23, 2022 21:53:45 GMT
Lexus IS 250 with the snow mode button depressed. Absolutely unstoppable.
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Post by woofwoof on Dec 23, 2022 23:13:11 GMT
When holidaying in Kazakhstan my then GF had a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado but as above I suppose it was the tyres that had the desired effect. The winters and the snow and ice there are pretty epic. These were on her sisters Lexus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 23:21:01 GMT
I think there was an Autocar article on this topic yonks ago, something to do with an MX-5 wigh snow tyres and studs being bug fun.
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Post by LandieMark on Dec 24, 2022 8:49:22 GMT
This was fun.
I've had the TVR out in snow. That wasn't as horrible as it sounds. It had enough torque not to use the throttle.
I've got the same type tyres I had on the Defender on my pickup and that is also decent in the snow.
I haven't had the Discovery out yet.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 24, 2022 9:29:58 GMT
When holidaying in Kazakhstan my then GF had a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado but as above I suppose it was the tyres that had the desired effect. The winters and the snow and ice there are pretty epic. These were on her sisters Lexus. It’s not the tyres, it’s the “Snow” mode..
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Post by Stuntman on Dec 24, 2022 10:50:08 GMT
My GR Yaris was pretty good in the snow a couple of Sundays ago. If I had been in any other car that I have ever owned, I think I would have had to abandon the car and walk home. It was still very sketchy indeed on its PS4S tyres but at least I was able to get where I needed to go. Possibly the most hair-raising drive of my life.
Terrible cars in the snow? My E90 M3 is comfortably the worst but the Caymans aren't much better. But I've never fitted any of them with winter tyres.
Surprisingly effective in the snow? My VX220 Turbo, and to a lesser extent the E46 M3 that I had back in 2003-05. But on those occasions it wasn't icy, just snowy. A boggo FWD hatchback would be much more effective, if a bit less fun - although I think 'fun' is stretching it when you're 100% focused on not crashing...
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Post by woofwoof on Dec 24, 2022 11:03:15 GMT
A boggo FWD hatchback would be much more effective, if a bit less fun - although I think 'fun' is stretching it when you're 100% focused on not crashing...Yup. A few times I've been convinced that going on was stupid but I've still done it anyway. I remember coming home from a GF's place in Filey in my MX5 and at one particular bank which was later closed the police were only letting a few cars though at a time. I suppose attempting it was one of the stupidest things I've ever done in a car but I made it. Makes me shiver just thinking about that now
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 24, 2022 16:30:51 GMT
Almost right. It was the 156 GTA that I drove to Moscow and back, twice. I had Nokian winter tyres on that (studless) and never got stuck.
However, I did also drive the Z1 to St Moritz one year, on winter tyres (Pirelli I think). That was lots of fun.
I tend to the camp that thinks winter tyres worth having. Plus where my wife is from in Italy and we have a place, winter tyres are obligatory between November and April and we normally drive down every Christmas/NYE, so I have a set for my 440i. That said, as we weren’t taking it to Italy this Christmas, I didn’t bother changing its wheels and then of course ended up having to drive it to a very snowy Stansted and back on the Monday of the big freeze 10 days or so ago. It was fine, although I did drive in a pretty circumspect manner, given that at one point I saw -6 on the M11. That could be down to the fact that the tyres were new earlier this year.
Also, I then drove the Mini down to Italy on its normal Goodyear Eagle tyres last weekend in even more frigid conditions - I saw -13 on the motorway passing Strasbourg at only around 7pm - and it was absolutely fine. I even encountered some lying snow on mercifully horizontal roads and it was again fine, albeit that I drove very carefully and again that set of tyres was barely run in. It’s now had winter tyres fitted (as mentioned they are obligatory here and we are also driving up to the Alps next week for a few days skiing with friends over NYE).
So, arguably if you drive carefully on recent tyres and don’t have to navigate particularly steep roads, perhaps winter tyres aren’t a necessity. But from recent experience, I can say that you do feel much more secure on the winters, and from past experience, even my powerful rear-drove BMW can go up steep snowy roads on its Pirelli Sottozeros with an ease you’d scarcely credit.
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Post by Andy C on Dec 24, 2022 19:36:43 GMT
Not had chance this year but last year , the Rav4 coupled with scorpion verde all season tyres was brilliant in the snow
It does have a diff lock button but dont think I even used it !
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Post by LandieMark on Dec 24, 2022 21:22:45 GMT
Not had chance this year but last year , the Rav4 coupled with scorpion verde all season tyres was brilliant in the snow It does have a diff lock button but dont think I even used it ! You would find steering limited and it would try to understeer quite badly if you used it. On the road the electronics should sort it out in most conditions unless it is a rear axle locker.
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Post by PG on Dec 28, 2022 10:40:50 GMT
My XK8 on winter tyres made it across our works car park in snow when a colleague's Range Rover Sport didn't. He was mightily pissed off, so I explained about winter tyres and he went and bought a set the next day.
I think my mum's MGB GT (this was early 1980's) was probably the most entertaining car in snow - skinny tyres, no weight at the back at all, no driver aids. She used to put one or two 25kg sacks of potatoes in the boot for most of the winter.
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Post by woofwoof on Dec 28, 2022 12:41:51 GMT
My XK8 on winter tyres made it across our works car park in snow when a colleague's Range Rover Sport didn't. He was mightily pissed off, so I explained about winter tyres and he went and bought a set the next day. I think my mum's MGB GT (this was early 1980's) was probably the most entertaining car in snow - skinny tyres, no weight at the back at all, no driver aids. She used to put one or two 25kg sacks of potatoes in the boot for most of the winter. I don't remember any issues at all when I had a Midget. That was a long time ago so I could have just forgotten the fun or frights I had in it but I do remember it as being the best car in the snow I've had.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 14:31:32 GMT
My XK8 on winter tyres made it across our works car park in snow when a colleague's Range Rover Sport didn't. He was mightily pissed off, so I explained about winter tyres and he went and bought a set the next day. I think my mum's MGB GT (this was early 1980's) was probably the most entertaining car in snow - skinny tyres, no weight at the back at all, no driver aids. She used to put one or two 25kg sacks of potatoes in the boot for most of the winter. I had a 25kb bag of sand in the front of Bess for about a decade or so, the type really needs a 4% aero change forwards due to the rearwards balance of the car. Any ice or snow and sterring has very little chance when she steps out and the front washes wide.
Entertaining when the conditions are right though.
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Post by ChrisM on Dec 30, 2022 20:30:19 GMT
This popped up in my suggested videos a short while ago, quite interesting and instructive:
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Post by canadian bacon on Jan 7, 2023 17:22:49 GMT
I found low power and manual transmission a good combination, but having said that, I never got stuck driving the Boxster in snow either. my wife did get her Golf stuck on the lane to our garage, spinning the wheels and getting nowhere in deep tyre tracks, I got in and feathered the throttle and got the car into the garage, she thought I was a driving god (lol) -5 when I took this!
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