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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 1:15:43 GMT
So, an ex servieman has been found guilty of manslaughter during the 'troubles'.
Having listened to the explanation given by the defendant, I have to say it sounds shonky, stupid and beyond the pail.
Sorry about that.
We had clear guidelines for engagement and the type of conduct the defendant states he was up to sound like a poor excuse and if true, he should not have been there.
I really hope for his sake there is more to this than was allowed out into the wild.
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Post by Alex on Nov 26, 2022 5:51:22 GMT
But that's what happens in war. Soldiers are human and not all will act as they should when given a gun and confronted with people they're told are the enemy. We see this in every war and we're seeing it happening in Ukraine and so we saw it in both world wars. Most of the time they get away with it but the Good Friday agreement has called for the misdeeds of a rogue few on our side to be accounted for. In this case if was perhaps stupidity rather than deliberate misdeed but hand an 18 yearcold a machine gun and occasionally accidents may happen. Whether its right that the many misdeeds of the IRA are being pardoned for the greater good is a much more difficult debate to hold.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 14:59:49 GMT
TBH, the GPMG needs deliberate action to fire, it should not have been loaded, let alone in the ready to fire state.
Also, the safety catch needs to be taken off. ready to fire then is a choice.
It was driven home to us at all times this must be the case so if there is anything here it is a choice to fire, even if the guy subconsciously ignored the safety catch state and live round in the chamber.
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Post by PG on Nov 28, 2022 13:03:48 GMT
I read the press report on this and it sounds like it was serious negligence on the soldier's part to not be aware whether the safety catch was on or off. Now whether he should have been charged after all these years and why he was not charged at the time are matters that have not really been properly covered or explained.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 13:44:40 GMT
I believe the only reason he is not going down for murder is an inability to prove intent, beyond a (Reasonable) doubt. After 30 years, difficult.
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Post by johnc on Nov 28, 2022 14:00:43 GMT
I feel sorry for soldiers who are put in this position because everything looks different with hindsight. From what I read, it was a ricochet which must make it nearly impossible to prove intent to injure or kill but there was plenty of stupidity at play. We also have no idea what was said at the security point and what provocation that may have caused.
Why anyone allowed an agreement to be signed which left British Soldiers open to prosecution when those on the opposite side were basically untouchable is beyond me.
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Post by Boxer6 on Nov 28, 2022 16:11:47 GMT
I feel sorry for soldiers who are put in this position because everything looks different with hindsight. From what I read, it was a ricochet which must make it nearly impossible to prove intent to injure or kill but there was plenty of stupidity at play. We also have no idea what was said at the security point and what provocation that may have caused. Why anyone allowed an agreement to be signed which left British Soldiers open to prosecution when those on the opposite side were basically untouchable is beyond me. I understood it to be a certain Mr T Bliar's "crowning glory". Explains much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 18:30:50 GMT
Sounds about right. Obviously the quid pro was not very quo or this event would not have happened.
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