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Post by Sav on Nov 12, 2022 23:21:52 GMT
So far the Sprint Races have been a dull procession. Until today, the reason why the Sprint Race was exciting because yesterday’s qualifying was wet, the grid was therefore jumbled in some respects, and that made for some exciting racing today. I’m still not a fan of Sprint Races, if car A is faster than car B; they will usually cross the finishing line in that respective order. And because of the points available on Sunday, few will want to jeopardise a good position for Sunday by taking undue risk. And not every weekend in whatever host country has changeable weather, so that can’t be relied upon.
Alonso. Such a great driver, and he still delivers such great performances and he will be fantastic again in 2023. But the drama and theatrics that he brings along is the reason why Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari don’t want him. He does sound rather bitter at times, whether it’s against former or current teammates. I didn’t think that Ocon did much wrong in either situation today. Alonso was the exit kerb of turn 4, nobody on the inside is going to yield – including teammates. It was Alonso’s snap of oversteer that made him connect with Ocon’s car, Ocon didn’t run Alonso off. And on the pit straight, Alonso looked to have timed his slipstream wrong.
Alpine launched the Alonso-edition of the A110 recently. They better make sure it has bitter temper tantrums blasted through the speakers. That’s the authentic Nando-experience. Stroll. Increasingly looks out of his depth in F1. His Dad doesn’t think so, naturally. Racing isn’t really his thing, unless it involves weaving about in every direction when someone else tries to overtake. A 10-second penalty was well deserved. That sort of blocking has no place with open-wheel cars.
Sainz v Verstappen. If Hamilton had lunged like that against Verstappen, the Verstappen fans would have gone bizzerk. Same with Hamilton fans had the roles been reversed. But the lunge was a bit too much from Sainz, Verstappen had nowhere to go in turn 1. He basically used Verstappen’s Red Bull as a brake.
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Post by Alex on Nov 13, 2022 10:26:13 GMT
If the sprint race was finally exciting because of the jumbled qualifying maybe that's what they need to do. Pick the grid at random like the FA Cup draw. You'd still get a more or less normal grid for the main race but it would be created through a sprint race where the quickest drivers have to actually go for it. It'll never happen!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 13:05:48 GMT
Just ditch the format completely and get the rules right/stick to them. Having random local stewards etc begs for inconsistency.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 0:16:41 GMT
Multi 21 all over again. Max, selfish bar tender despite a request. He was allowed by Cheko to try to overtake Alonso and when the request to switch back came, cue spoilt brat.
When they arranged the first switch I said to myself, "Max let Cheko back through? No way Jose". SO easy to predict.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 14, 2022 9:54:39 GMT
Hard to like Max and respect his first world title and giving us another reason not to is no shock.
Re: Stroll. Hopeless Cnut.
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Post by Stuntman on Nov 14, 2022 10:12:03 GMT
Having Stroll occupy that seat in an F1 car is akin to seeing a member of the owner's family in a Board Director position in a family company. Instead of hiring the most talented or competent person, the family member will be given the job.
Doesn't make it right or fair, but you can see why he's in the seat.
Agreed re Max's behaviour in Sunday's race - especially when you consider how much Perez did for him in Abu Dhabi in 2021, never mind anything else.
I hope Perez does finish second in the championship now. To me, he is more likeable than Leclerc even though Leclerc is more talented in my opinion.
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Post by humphreythepug on Nov 14, 2022 15:40:57 GMT
Usual Max driving resumes, send it in going too fast with no hope of making the corner in the hope that the other party gives way, strange as I don;t seem to recall him doing that to anyone else this year, good to see that Hamilton still lives rent free in his head as well as Alonso's!!
The guy is an absolute prick, admitted as much that he did it on purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 16:29:44 GMT
Christian has apparently stated that "Max will be happy to help Cheko out" in the finale. Whoop de whoop.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 14, 2022 17:23:58 GMT
Usual Max driving resumes, send it in going too fast with no hope of making the corner in the hope that the other party gives way, strange as I don;t seem to recall him doing that to anyone else this year, good to see that Hamilton still lives rent free in his head as well as Alonso's!! The guy is an absolute prick, admitted as much that he did it on purpose. Bizarrely I didn't see the crash as Verstappen's fault. He was ahead at the first corner and although Hamilton was ahead at the second corner he definitely disserved more space then he was given. But its seems you have to give a penalty these days and if your a few inches you have the corner. Silly of Hamilton really as its cost him the potential win. As I feel he's still got the edge over Russel especially in Brazil. Max looked daft not giving Perez the place back and think he's realised a bit late that he was being a prick. Still great driver suspect attitude but there goes nearly all pervious champions. As for Alonso, he's still the boss. Fabulous driver. Ocon is a plonker lets be honest but don't think hes going to get any luck next year with Mr Stroll.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 20:01:22 GMT
It's sad that the best Fernando can get next year is the Aston.
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Post by humphreythepug on Nov 15, 2022 9:30:12 GMT
It's sad that the best Fernando can get next year is the Aston. Yes but ultimately there is no one to blame but himself. I can't see his Aston stint going well tbh, I forsee lots of outbursts and conflict with both Stroll's.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 15, 2022 10:01:08 GMT
It's sad that the best Fernando can get next year is the Aston. Yes but ultimately there is no one to blame but himself. I can't see his Aston stint going well tbh, I forsee lots of outbursts and conflict with both Stroll's. I'd love to see Alonso have a great season, he's clearly still got a lot of fight in him. I really hope Aston give him a decent car but as Nando has left it is almost certain that Alpine will be the surprise package next year. Still the Strolls vs Alonso will no doubt take us back to the 2007 season. It'll be great TV.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 13:25:49 GMT
The sort of blocking that did for Stroll junior is a Max specialty. Look to see where the guy behind is going (In the breaking zone) and go the same way. Simples. He gets away with it though.
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Post by Sav on Nov 16, 2022 0:31:05 GMT
The Hamilton v Verstappen incident was not what it seems. I initially thought that Verstappen’s was opportunistic, and Hamilton turned into a car that was alongside. But the stewards said that Verstappen carried more speed than usual around turn 1 to get partially alongside Hamilton for turn two. In the same way that Sainz used Verstappen as a brake in the sprint race, Verstappen seemingly used Hamilton’s car as a brake in the actual race. Yes, Hamilton could have left more room, but the acute angle of Verstappen’s entry to turn 2 meant that he would have never made the corner without either running wide or running off the circuit if Hamilton's car hadn't been to his left. I wouldn’t have peanlised Verstappen; I’m not sure what these penalties achieve, people want to see racing in F1, they are finally getting exactly that. Verstappen would do the same thing again, especially if it only adds 5 seconds onto a pitstop. Fundamentally though, and rather rarely, Interlagos was a weekend where he came up short on wheel-to-wheel combat. Verstappen usually always wins this war, in the past it’s almost been like the other drivers are afraid to race him. There was a time that when whatever moves that Verstappen tried, nine times of ten he would come out on top. Whether it was his blocking or lunges, Verstappen would actually and mentally dominate the other driver. Hamilton was put up a good fight against Verstappen since they started racing each other for real since last year, some of the tactics that Verstappen has deployed might come back to bite him.
There is a rumour going about, and it is only a rumour. Verstappen refused to let Perez by last Sunday because the former feels aggrieved at Perez provisionally taking pole position at Monaco, then crashing on his final Q3 run, that prevented Verstappen from improving his laptime. There is something strange about Verstappen. He has hinted that he does not want a long career in F1, and has no interest in chasing records. Perez has been a decent performer for Red Bull, with wins and podiums. I would suggest keeping Perez happy is a bit more important than it was keeping Albon or Gasly happy, for the constructor’s championship. I do wonder about Red Bull in F1. The main driving force behind the investment is sadly no longer there anymore, it would surprise me if there was no change to their F1 activities – the Red Bull team, Alpha Tauri, the development of Red Bull Powertrains, the junior programme. Does an energy drinks company really want to be involved in poiwertrain development for 2026? The end goal is to sell energy drinks, Mateschitz may have had a passion for it, but people at a more corporate level might not.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 16, 2022 9:58:43 GMT
I see your point in RedBulls future but given the marketing possibilities for the outlay its a bit of a no brainer. Or it certainly is while they are winning. With the cost cap in place they're promoting their product across the globe and making money from RBR whilst they do it and all run very efficiently by a nice bunch of chaps in Milton Keynes. The cost cap and Maxs attitude probably don't help but then again all probably fits into their image as being non conformist.
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Post by johnc on Nov 16, 2022 10:03:14 GMT
I am glad Max got the penalty for his move on Hamilton because his method of overtaking is totally unfair. There was an overhead shot of the incident and it clearly showed Max releasing the brake early to get around the outside of turn one and then straight line it to the outside of turn two, leaving nowhere for the other car to go except off the track. Now that the stewards understand his modus operandi he will maybe find himself with a few more penalties in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2022 14:38:13 GMT
Max chucks his car at other drivers and dares them to stop him, I thought that sort of thing was completely out of order and banned. He does seem to be more likely to use this on Hamilton, possibly because other drivers have been taught the error of their ways - Ocon a few years ago was physically assaulted at the weigh in for daring to unlap himself. Max should have had a ban for that. Max also likes looking in his mirror to see where the overtake is coming from before moving in the braking zone, this too is supposed to be banned.
Max gets a walk most of the time because he is seen to be good for business and there needs to be clarity with consistency. Not going to happen.
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