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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 11:54:09 GMT
Our Shogun was 13 years old in April. Due to a Covid MOT cock-up (mine), the MOT now falls in October each year.
It needed a new centre box on the exhaust and...nothing else. At the service it also needed a new battery - two batteries in 13 years seems OK.
So despite the fact that it sounds like it is going to implode at any moment at any speed over 40, it refuses to die.
Two big debates at home are - (1) shall we trade it while it has some value (hopefully they won't drive t before they agree a price...) or wait till it does in fact implode. (2) what on earth to replace it with. I feel Mrs PG and I are not on the same page on that one at all. I'm more - wow have you seen this 2011 Range Rover with only 80k miles on it and she's more ooh, look at this Evoque (ever since we had one as a loan car)......
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 19, 2022 12:25:34 GMT
If you use it for towing a horse box / livestock trailer and other proper 4x4 duties, I would get a proper 4x4 and not an SUV.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 19, 2022 12:26:39 GMT
Old Misubishis are like cockroaches.
Range Rover and Evoque aren't really like for like replacements for a SWB commercial, although the Range Rover will have the towing capacity.
The best direct replacement would be a D4 commercial if you can find one, or a pickup, if not and deal with the lack of centre differential for on road 4x4 use. I would advise against the latest L200.
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Post by Martin on Oct 19, 2022 12:35:05 GMT
I wouldn’t get an SUV either. A well looked after late L322 would be a nice upgrade through.
More interestingly…any update on the Jag replacement?
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 19, 2022 12:59:58 GMT
Where I used to work we had a fleet of Nissan Navara pick ups, in top of the range Tekna spec. They were surprisingly pleasant and refined to drive and with 190 horses they go well, too. Available with auto transmission and a sunroof.
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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 13:07:02 GMT
You're all asking the same questions that go round and round in my mind! SUV v Commercial truck v Jag replacement v oh no my head has exploded.....
We're running the cattle side of the farm down - our cattle business partner is 76 and not in the best of health. We're down from nearly 60 bodies to feed through the winter three years ago to seven. So absolute towing capacity may not be some much of an issue after next spring when a few more should go. Our livestock trailer is 1.2 tonnes empty. A beef animal is about 600kg. Ten lambs are about 600kg too. So in theory an Evoque could tow that (says Mrs PG).
The reason to go SUV rather than a pure commercial vehicle is that we also want this car to do longer journeys and be a four seater. Yes, the Mini will go to London and back now we don't have the Jag, but would be better in something bigger / more comfy. And whilst that might say "sell the Mini then", neither of us really want to do that. It's our fun car as well as small enough to use day to day.
We have been for a test drive in an L322 Range Rover (2012 4.4 TdV8 Westminster) and Mrs PG is not convinced. Too big (wide), too old (why replace an 09 car with an 11 one) - arguments that logically it's hard to argue against. Damn that feminine logic :-) An L320 2010-2012 Range Rover Sport is something else I quite fancy. Could that be a middle ground? See comment about age of vehicle.
So a double cab would do the trick. But I'm just not sure. As Mark says, apart from the L200, they have suspect AWD systems and they are so, so long. But one of our friends sold her Disco 5 when she lost her company car allowance and got an Amarok she's running through her own company now and she's as happy as anything.
Which brings me to two vehicles that are possibly big enough to be serious, but not so old as to be off the radar. First the obvious one - Disco Sport. Tows 2200kg, plenty about second hand. And a left field choice- Jag F Pace. Actually tow 2400kg (which I didn't realise) and might also be, tenuously, classifiable as a Jag replacement. Sadly not the V8, but maybe a P250 / P300 for a bit of interest. Rather more budget then I'd planned for though....
Right, head is exploding again.... need a lie down.
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Post by Tim on Oct 19, 2022 13:15:55 GMT
Where I used to work we had a fleet of Nissan Navara pick ups, in top of the range Tekna spec. They were surprisingly pleasant and refined to drive and with 190 horses they go well, too. Available with auto transmission and a sunroof. Also V6 option as well. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 19, 2022 16:15:46 GMT
An L320 2010-2012 Range Rover Sport is something else I quite fancy. Could that be a middle ground? See comment about age of vehicle. Firstly, you'd struggle to find one that isn't black with black wheels and tinted windows. Secondly, no...no....no....! |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 19, 2022 16:58:03 GMT
Where I used to work we had a fleet of Nissan Navara pick ups, in top of the range Tekna spec. They were surprisingly pleasant and refined to drive and with 190 horses they go well, too. Available with auto transmission and a sunroof. Also V6 option as well. And the short-lived Mercedes version. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 19, 2022 17:03:16 GMT
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 19, 2022 17:46:16 GMT
That's decent and the AWD system is fine on road, although no low 'box.
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Post by Andy C on Oct 19, 2022 17:56:31 GMT
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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 19:11:06 GMT
An L320 2010-2012 Range Rover Sport is something else I quite fancy. Could that be a middle ground? See comment about age of vehicle. Firstly, you'd struggle to find one that isn't black with black wheels and tinted windows. Secondly, no...no....no....!  Too true. If you go on Autotrader and eliminate black and white as colour choices it sure thins out the choice. And then if you cross off any that have tinted windows or black wheels you find that it's quite a small pool, to fish in. |
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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 19:11:19 GMT
ahh, the curse of the double post.
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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 19:15:52 GMT
Indeed, ought to be a possibility. Funny, but when they came out they looked huge. Now, maybe as everything else has got bigger, they look just right. An ex-colleague has got one. I think it is a D250 in fairly lowly spec and he loves it. |
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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 19:21:06 GMT
I like the fact that it has a proper AWD system. But I've never been sure about the looks and image of the Merc X class (says the man who is thinking about a Range Rover Sport....).  |
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Post by Tim on Oct 20, 2022 7:28:39 GMT
I always thought the Merc X looked exactly as it was - some Merc bits poorly grafted onto a design by another company.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 20, 2022 8:20:12 GMT
Another shout for the Velar given the uses planned and likely occupancy.
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Post by michael on Oct 20, 2022 8:58:11 GMT
I’ve been towing our horse box with a Skoda Kodiaq recently and it struggles. It’s not the engine as such but the gearbox which is clearly more interested in efficiency than work.
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