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Post by Big Blue on Oct 17, 2022 8:22:48 GMT
I’ve omitted the space between 17-31 Dec as I assume the Party will be discussing what it will be like to have a King’s Speech about trees and whether Khan will be using the NYE fireworks for an Islamist cover up. The gap between one week and one or two months is anywhere in between the two.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 17, 2022 8:28:53 GMT
Its a cluster muck for sure but can't see a change.
Who wants the job apart from another weasel, are the Tory members to be rusted with voting for Mordant or Sunak this time around if they do even want to stand?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 17, 2022 9:34:24 GMT
It's astonishing that so many Tory party members are surprised at what they got with Truss. She said all along what she was going to do, did it, and they seem surprised by this. In six months they've managed to turn this country into a laughing stock and the punchline of a joke. We've become like Italy, without the climate, the culture, the food and drink etc.
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Post by Tim on Oct 17, 2022 10:29:57 GMT
I read that the Greek PM was offering to guide us through communications with the IMF.
So, has the ideological right wing of the party been given a boot then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 11:25:18 GMT
I think they should make their move early and get it done. Just who is she getting advice from anyway? Attachments:
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 17, 2022 12:24:15 GMT
I read that the Greek PM was offering to guide us through communications with the IMF. So, has the ideological right wing of the party been given a boot then? They should have a word with the Labour Party, they've probably still got a dusty old phone connected to a hotline to the IMF from the 70s.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 17, 2022 12:34:55 GMT
I can't see how Truss can take PMQs on Wednesday. Her whole grand plan is in tatters, she has destroyed the reputation of her party and country and lost all credibility.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 17, 2022 12:57:50 GMT
I can't see how Truss can take PMQs on Wednesday. Her whole grand plan is in tatters, she has destroyed the reputation of her party and country and lost all credibility. Yeah. It’ll be like one of those Michael Spicer videos.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 17, 2022 13:01:17 GMT
She'll test positive for Covid tomorrow.
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Post by johnc on Oct 17, 2022 13:25:29 GMT
I think she will be gone by the end of the month, her career in tatters. Even when she was foreign secretary she said some things that were poorly thought out and potentially dangerous. As PM she was visibly drowning under the weight of responsibility and the need to make reasoned judgement. I reckon an internal revolution could see here replaced without a selection process.
If this debacle has taught the political parties anything, it is that the choosing of the leader should be left to the MP's, not the membership.
I hear there are calls for an early GE to ratify any new change of PM but given the damage done, I can't see any Tory MPs, apart from those looking to retire, who would want to vote for such a thing. God knows what mess we will get in to with a new Labour Government though because there are still lots of Corbyn supporters and they have a borrowing agenda too - just exactly the same agenda as got us in to this current mess. I have also read Nicola Sturgeon's statements about the economic policy for an independent Scotland and they just fill me with fear: the current spending on Social care, public services and pensions in Scotland is higher than the tax take, so exactly how is that circle going to be squared?
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 17, 2022 14:45:26 GMT
She'll test positive for Covid tomorrow. Detained on urgent business this evening.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 17, 2022 15:31:47 GMT
She is 'meeting with Cabinet colleagues' this evening. I rather expect Sir Graham Brady will have handed her the pearl handled revolver this afternoon and the meeting will be to agree upon a damage limitation way forward.
I would expect a coronation of Sunak as PM, Hunt to remain as Chancellor and Mordaunt to get a very senior role.
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Post by Eff One on Oct 17, 2022 16:40:04 GMT
I can't see how Truss can take PMQs on Wednesday. Her whole grand plan is in tatters, she has destroyed the reputation of her party and country and lost all credibility. +1. Gone within the week, I reckon.
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Post by Stuntman on Oct 17, 2022 18:13:00 GMT
I will be surprised if she lasts until Monday 24th October. She is completely toast.
In my opinion, he only reason she is probably still in the job is because the Parliamentary Conservative Party hasn't yet worked out how to appoint a new leader completely unopposed. Once the Parliamentary Party has agreed upon their successor as leader, Liz Truss will be told to resign.
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Post by PG on Oct 17, 2022 18:49:35 GMT
She is 'meeting with Cabinet colleagues' this evening. I rather expect Sir Graham Brady will have handed her the pearl handled revolver this afternoon and the meeting will be to agree upon a damage limitation way forward. I would expect a coronation of Sunak as PM, Hunt to remain as Chancellor and Mordaunt to get a very senior role. Sunak, Hunt, Mordant is probably the only viable ticket. Although Mordant might want to be deputy PM rather than Foreign Secretary as has been talked about in the press.
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Post by PG on Oct 17, 2022 18:53:46 GMT
I think she will be gone by the end of the month, her career in tatters.... I hear there are calls for an early GE... God knows what mess we will get in to with a new Labour Government though because there are still lots of Corbyn supporters and they have a borrowing agenda too - just exactly the same agenda as got us in to this current mess. I have also read Nicola Sturgeon's statements about the economic policy for an independent Scotland and they just fill me with fear: the current spending on Social care, public services and pensions in Scotland is higher than the tax take, so exactly how is that circle going to be squared? Agreed. As I said in the other thread, the Conservatives may be hopeless right now, but nobody else has any better ideas. Labour are still trading on the fact that the rich can pay for everything and Sturgeon that the English will continue to pay for everything even post independence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 19:16:01 GMT
I will be surprised if she lasts until Monday 24th October. She is completely toast. In my opinion, he only reason she is probably still in the job is because the Parliamentary Conservative Party hasn't yet worked out how to appoint a new leader completely unopposed. Once the Parliamentary Party has agreed upon their successor as leader, Liz Truss will be told to resign. If they are going to force a resignation and the end of a creer, which is what it would be, would they not just fire her publicly and count on the pulic statement that the tories messed up but were going to fix what one of their's did. Part of a mea culpa plea for the future party.
A short while ago, Truss was mentioning Boris as being the shortest termed tory PM. How often will that be rubbed in her nose?
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 17, 2022 19:30:31 GMT
She’s pretty much a modern day Lady Jane Grey. One assumes it will only be her career that is executed.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 18, 2022 16:52:17 GMT
I looked at Mordaunt speaking in the Commons and thought she’d just maybe make a good Chairman to Hunt’s CEO. And perhaps ultimately more palatable than Sunak to the irreconcilable Johnsonites.
That Truss was a disaster is like leaves falling in autumn - predictable and inevitable.
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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 7:01:23 GMT
I looked at Mordaunt speaking in the Commons and thought she’d just maybe make a good Chairman to Hunt’s CEO. And perhaps ultimately more palatable than Sunak to the irreconcilable Johnsonites. That Truss was a disaster is like leaves falling in autumn - predictable and inevitable. The polls amongst the Tory members showed that Mordant would have beaten Sunak if those two had made the run off. (Mind you, the polls showed Truss would beat Sunak and look how that turned out.) Which I imagine is an argument that Mordant will use when the inevitable happens and a new leader has to be found without consulting the members. I see that Ben Wallace is also being touted as the unity candidate.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 19, 2022 7:37:08 GMT
I don’t get the whole Ben Wallace thing myself.
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Post by Tim on Oct 19, 2022 7:56:50 GMT
They've got a hard on for him due to him being former military.
Same as they got aroused at Mordaunt's naval past despite it apparently being pretty much a membership of some body rather than anything even remotely active (not in the active duty sense, rather active as in doing something, anything around ships).
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 19, 2022 8:27:02 GMT
Reading the reported feedback from MPs they are as ever torn between one leader or another on the basis of overall party direction. Here’s an idea: come up with a party direction and point that way and it won’t matter who the leader is because they’ll both have the same long range aim and plan, just like they did for EU membership.
Oh, hang on…….
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Post by PG on Oct 19, 2022 8:57:02 GMT
I don’t get the whole Ben Wallace thing myself. Whether he'd be any good or not I have no idea - he's hardly high profile on TV or radio every day. But he is (I think) the only person who has kept "clean" in all the goings on, plus he's been a minister in every government since the coalition in 2010. So it's pretty hard for any wing of the party to be against him. He also has a good CV in other ways - retired as a Captain in the Scots Guards (people like an ex military man it seems), was a member of the Scottish Parliament before being elected to his Lancashire seat as an MP (so with that and the Scots Guards he can hardly be accused of being a hated Sassenach).
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Post by Tim on Oct 19, 2022 11:29:15 GMT
Hmmm so the 'militant unions' are the main issue concerning Truss at the moment?
I guess that's going to be her rallying cry to the Tory faithful - a bit of red meat for them. Meanwhile don't look at the various U-Turns of the last couple of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 13:07:30 GMT
Reading the reported feedback from MPs they are as ever torn between one leader or another on the basis of overall party direction. Here’s an idea: come up with a party direction and point that way and it won’t matter who the leader is because they’ll both have the same long range aim and plan, just like they did for EU membership. Oh, hang on……. Attachments:
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Post by Tim on Oct 19, 2022 16:18:36 GMT
The Home Secretary has just resigned following some piss poor sending of governmental info from a personal email account.
Sounds like a setup to allow her to have a go in the resignation letter.
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Post by woofwoof on Oct 19, 2022 18:45:47 GMT
I voted Con for a mix of local reasons and the state of the Labour party but after this debacle who is now the least worst option? I still can not bring myself to contemplate voting Labour but I do think that unless there are a series of minor miracles they're a certainty to win a walkover victory. A Rishi (or anyone like him) govt may be what the establishment and markets want until they're annihilated at the next election but my God... IMO... What a choice.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 19, 2022 19:23:47 GMT
There was such a long drawn-out leadership selection process after Boris decided he had to go, that I do wonder how we have ended up with the worst of everything.
Mind you, I do recall remarking some months back that there seems to be no credible leader in any of the parties at the moment, and my view hasn't changed over the summer/autumn
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 19, 2022 21:05:56 GMT
Following the Absolute Scenes at Westminster this evening, I would give her days, if not hours.
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