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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2022 16:39:43 GMT
 Took youngest to Brownies camp in Ripley. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 26, 2022 17:36:37 GMT
Doesn't the 530e do about 30 miles on electric? If so and I'm reading that stat right (plus my rough maths is OK....), your petrol engine has only done about 9mpg? That's worse than the B5!  |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2022 17:43:28 GMT
No: it was 14 miles of electric. That said the tank just filled up was more representative of day to day use and it was 28.36mpg of petrol engine and 37.23mpg overall.
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Post by Martin on Sept 26, 2022 17:48:22 GMT
Or more seriously...what's the cost of that journey? Around £5.50-6.00 assuming searing with a full battery/30miles electric range/30p kw/h?
A 530d would have been about £6.00, closer to £5.00 if you knock a couple of cylinders off.
Edit: So more like 35mpg which make more sense and that changes the numbers a bit..... £5?
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2022 18:13:46 GMT
£6.90 by my records using the last averages.
This particular single journey would've been £6.19 from the charge I gave it in the morning plus half a gallon of E5. As a gallon of Diesel is £8.50 and Honest John real-mpg data shows 530d as averaging 43mpg and 520d as 47mpg the cost is close between all three, with the notable exception of not having to put boat fuel in a road vehicle in my case.
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Post by Martin on Sept 26, 2022 18:26:12 GMT
£6.90 by my records using the last averages. This particular single journey would've been £6.19 from the charge I gave it in the morning plus half a gallon of E5. As a gallon of Diesel is £8.50 and Honest John real-mpg data shows 530d as averaging 43mpg and 520d as 47mpg the cost is close between all three, with the notable exception of not having to put boat fuel in a road vehicle in my case. Well, yes there is that irrational hatred to put into the mix! I find it all very interesting and so much better when someone ‘gets it’ / is honest. So many people with hybrids just talk about the amazing mpg figures and ignore the electric usage! It’s the same with EV drivers who calculate costs based on 7.5p kw/h, because that’s what they get for 4 hours a night. They ignore the face that they pay more for all their normal electric usage than on a std tariff for the other 20hrs a day plus the cost of charging away from home and the near 5 fold increase is cost per kw/h at home when the 4hrs isn’t enough…. |
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Post by Andy C on Sept 26, 2022 19:34:51 GMT
Some good figures there Jeff
Is bush off all week ?
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2022 19:36:13 GMT
Yeah the diesel issue still doesn’t wash with me in road cars.
I’m under no illusions about either EV or PHEV being some mystical free fuel when petrol is hard to beat for thermal efficiency. I saw today that fast charger costs are now higher per mile than averagely efficient petrol cars’ refuelling costs.
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2022 19:36:50 GMT
Some good figures there Jeff Is bush off all week ? No. Back tomorrow. Been doing breakfast for Dave Berry. |
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Post by Andy C on Sept 26, 2022 19:48:18 GMT
Did you hear the story the other day about the guy being so hungry he ate around the shoe print of the pizza that had been trod in ?
Fucking brilliant
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Post by michael on Sept 26, 2022 19:50:35 GMT
I like that the car icon is the same colour as the car. Am I the only person on here who doesn’t calculate fuel economy? It drinks what it drinks.
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2022 19:59:53 GMT
Did you hear the story the other day about the guy being so hungry he ate around the shoe print of the pizza that had been trod in ? Fucking brilliant Ha ha. When Paul Sylvester put Bush and Ritchie together he gained legendary status. They both have decent podcasts too. |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 26, 2022 20:01:24 GMT
I like that the car icon is the same colour as the car. Am I the only person on here who doesn’t calculate fuel economy? It drinks what it drinks. I am not overly precious about it in terms of cost or efficiency but it’s just become a habit. The whole PHEV thing for me is the silent running around town. |
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Post by michael on Sept 26, 2022 20:05:39 GMT
I get the refinement. I had a Volvo T8 for a day and the way it pulled away in silence was a genuine luxury experience.
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Post by PG on Sept 27, 2022 11:54:54 GMT
... Am I the only person on here who doesn’t calculate fuel economy? It drinks what it drinks. I do look at the OBC on our cars, but spreadsheets and such like, no. |
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Post by Tim on Sept 27, 2022 12:19:40 GMT
... Am I the only person on here who doesn’t calculate fuel economy? It drinks what it drinks. I do look at the OBC on our cars, but spreadsheets and such like, no. OBC only, don't really want to know generally, just want to use the performance |
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Post by bryan on Sept 27, 2022 14:12:00 GMT
£6.90 by my records using the last averages. This particular single journey would've been £6.19 from the charge I gave it in the morning plus half a gallon of E5. As a gallon of Diesel is £8.50 and Honest John real-mpg data shows 530d as averaging 43mpg and 520d as 47mpg the cost is close between all three, with the notable exception of not having to put boat fuel in a road vehicle in my case. Well, yes there is that irrational hatred to put into the mix! I find it all very interesting and so much better when someone ‘gets it’ / is honest. So many people with hybrids just talk about the amazing mpg figures and ignore the electric usage! It’s the same with EV drivers who calculate costs based on 7.5p kw/h, because that’s what they get for 4 hours a night. They ignore the face that they pay more for all their normal electric usage than on a std tariff for the other 20hrs a day plus the cost of charging away from home and the near 5 fold increase is cost per kw/h at home when the 4hrs isn’t enough…. It depends on what you use the phev for, the 7.5p for 4hrs gives us 30miles a day, which is perfect for trips to work, shops etc. I'd never bother filling up on anything other than cheap rate. We also use timers on all domestic appliances to get this rate too. Rest of the time it's 34p a unit, so use that as little as possible! Most of all I like the refinement in traffic with the electric silent running |
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Post by michael on Sept 27, 2022 14:19:04 GMT
... Am I the only person on here who doesn’t calculate fuel economy? It drinks what it drinks. I do look at the OBC on our cars, but spreadsheets and such like, no. I have my computer set to range as it’s the one that matters to me. I looked at the economy reading today which claims 24mpg which will be an overall figure. I don’t think that’s bad given what it is and how it gets used. |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 27, 2022 18:08:00 GMT
I looked at the economy reading today which claims 24mpg which will be an overall figure. I don’t think that’s bad given what it is and how it gets used. That's the main consideration. When I had the Gorilla the same applied. |
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 27, 2022 21:36:21 GMT
I like that the car icon is the same colour as the car. Am I the only person on here who doesn’t calculate fuel economy? It drinks what it drinks. In general I agree on the latter point, but on the other hand, I can’t say I’m entirely disinterested! |
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Post by Tim on Sept 28, 2022 7:40:11 GMT
I do look at the OBC on our cars, but spreadsheets and such like, no. I have my computer set to range as it’s the one that matters to me. I looked at the economy reading today which claims 24mpg which will be an overall figure. I don’t think that’s bad given what it is and how it gets used. The digital cockpit option on my 4 series shows range as a bar along the bottom of the rev counter, along the same sort of arc as the fuel economy swingometer under the speedo, so there's no escape from it. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 28, 2022 7:58:43 GMT
I do look at the OBC on our cars, but spreadsheets and such like, no. I have my computer set to range as it’s the one that matters to me. I looked at the economy reading today which claims 24mpg which will be an overall figure. I don’t think that’s bad given what it is and how it gets used. Range is the most important thing, not just how much is left but how far you can travel between fill-ups. I don't like stopping on journeys and I don't like filling up, which is even worse now I can't pay at pump in my car because the price pushes every fill up well over £100. I do record my fuel stats and always have done, but just because I'm interested. My last couple of car purchases haven't been chosen with economy in mind, although with the amount I spend on fuel each month I do sometimes wonder what mpg the 535d would have achieved if I'd driven it in a more relaxed fashion. Thanks to my record keeping...I know it averaged 38.7mpg, but it did do as much as 47-48mpg on a tank a couple of times which was over 700 miles. |
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 29, 2022 21:22:45 GMT
This is another scenario. Business trip, mainly motorway, no speed limit exceeded, no traffic either way (not bad A3, M25, M40, M6 and back). 14 miles of electric at the start; no further charging.  |
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