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Post by rodge on Sept 14, 2022 19:36:55 GMT
Conversation in work today went towards a colleague who lives near a farmer who had purchased a new tractor.
It’s an all singing all dancing one- I don’t know what type- but the farmer was out in his field the other day when the tractor was shut down remotely because he missed a payment on it.
The loan company waited until he was in the middle of the field and then did it, completely isolating the tractor and ensuring it wouldn’t move.
I know BMWs are now being shipped with subscription services for certain things on them, and Tesla are charging a subscription for the self driving functions on their cars.
How long will it be before the option of buying a car is no longer on the table, but it has to be leased?
From a manufacturer point of view, I can understand it as it secured long term income.
But the punter could be losing out.
Where will it go after this?
You get to choose the colour of the materials used in the car but every model is the same electrically/power plant wise and you pay to unlock the features?
Want another 100bhp? £50 per month.
Heated seats? £10 per month.
Everything software controlled remotely so that if you miss your payment on your Audi A4 and pop into Tescos for a sandwich, you could find your car is immobilised/locked/driving back to the dealers, leaving you to walk home.
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Post by Big Blue on Sept 14, 2022 20:06:41 GMT
Everyone would lease a horse for short trips. Then when the authorities got fed up being knee deep in manure (imagine if we all used horses instead of motor vehicles how much shite there’d be) they’d pass legislation to make sure this is not allowed.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 14, 2022 20:48:56 GMT
^
Sounds like a crap idea
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 21:01:55 GMT
I reckon used cars would be a bigger deal in the short to medium term. There would HAVE to be a situation where this and other options were completely removed and everyone was locked into a rental format of use. I believe this would make all profit the long term return (only) variety and I cannot see manufacturers shooting themselves in the head.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 14, 2022 21:34:03 GMT
can anyone envisage the day when the government bans car ownership and makes us all rent or lease our transport, so they can tax our payments and have greater control over our mobility? I can see it happening, but probably not in my lifetime
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Post by racingteatray on Sept 14, 2022 21:54:45 GMT
can anyone envisage the day when the government bans car ownership and makes us all rent or lease our transport, so they can tax our payments and have greater control over our mobility? I can see it happening, but probably not in my lifetime Sounds like an advantage to not being immortal right there. |
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Post by Tim on Sept 15, 2022 9:52:28 GMT
can anyone envisage the day when the government bans car ownership and makes us all rent or lease our transport, so they can tax our payments and have greater control over our mobility? I can see it happening, but probably not in my lifetime How would that work for those of us with classics that, currently at least, are increasing in value quite quickly? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 10:30:57 GMT
Probably by limiting mileage or days allowed on the road at all. If that happens a dwindling allowance of these allowed access days would see us off the road altogether in a decade or so.
Not likely to be relevant to all of us.
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Post by woofwoof on Sept 15, 2022 12:14:39 GMT
I reckon used cars would be a bigger deal in the short to medium term. There would HAVE to be a situation where this and other options were completely removed and everyone was locked into a rental format of use. I believe this would make all profit the long term return (only) variety and I cannot see manufacturers shooting themselves in the head. Yup, used cars are a hinderance and will therefore be legislated off the roads somehow. As someone said "You will own nothing and you will be happy" but I'm not so sure about the happy bit. I never used to buy into conspiracy theories but as the world marches on I might be getting prepared to at least listen to them. We should enjoy our cars and our freedom whilst we can because they both may be under threat. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 16:11:06 GMT
My problem is that the public network cannot cope now and those with older cars unlikely to find car rental affordable. No joined up thought in the system means the resources will never be put in place to deal with this systemic stupidity.
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Post by Alex on Sept 16, 2022 4:45:16 GMT
There's long been talk of those living in cities not needing to own a car but instead just having access to one to use as and when needed which is starting to happen with the likes of Zip Car and other car clubs.
I also heard on the Fully Charged podcast about a new housing development in the Netherlands where no one owns a car but there is a small multi storey at the edge of the estate full of EVs which residents can book out and use as and when required. How that works when everyone wants to pop out on a Saturday morning I don't know but I imagine that you'll probably be charged extra to use a car at peak times.
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Post by PG on Sept 16, 2022 11:27:00 GMT
There's long been talk of those living in cities not needing to own a car but instead just having access to one to use as and when needed which is starting to happen with the likes of Zip Car and other car clubs. I also heard on the Fully Charged podcast about a new housing development in the Netherlands where no one owns a car but there is a small multi storey at the edge of the estate full of EVs which residents can book out and use as and when required. How that works when everyone wants to pop out on a Saturday morning I don't know but I imagine that you'll probably be charged extra to use a car at peak times. These car sharing approaches and "you won't need to own a car" advocates may be all very well, but there are four things that I never see discussed that make me think that widespread adoption can't work. Firstly, how the heck are they kept clean inside (and out), particularly inside? I really don't want to have to sit in last night's take-away wrappers or other crappy detritus. Secondly, will minor faults ever get reported or repaired. Yes I am sure the electronics can tell the base station that the motor needs attention, but what about minor switchgear, trim and so on. Thirdly, what about minor damage, scratches and so on - who will ever own up and so who will pay? And lastly, if you don't live within walking distance of a hub (carrying your bags there or back distance, not a 30 minute brisk walk distance) how practical is it really? Not to mention non-city dwellers for whom this will never work. There's a reason that hiring a car is more expensive than the pure PCP on one - and it's the army of people the hire companies need to manage, clean, maintain and store the fleet of cars that we get off them. |
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Post by woofwoof on Sept 16, 2022 19:31:53 GMT
I can't see how this non car owning future will cause anything but delay and hassle for people with mobility issues who can not make it to the bus/train station or electric car pick up point. I suppose the old and infirm will be confined to their homes and ignored or perhaps converted into Soylent Green.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 21:46:20 GMT
They will be told to get a taxi or use PT.
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Post by woofwoof on Sept 19, 2022 12:19:17 GMT
PT is an issues as it very likely doesn't stop outside your house or your destination. That becomes more of an issue as you lose physical abilities and can't easily travel to the bus / train stain stop and can't easily decamp and travel to your destination. I know this is inconvenient for the people pushing an end to a car ownership but any caring society should consider the full implications of taking some things which at the moment enable a degree of independence and quality of life away.
Even for someone in relatively good health pushing someone in a wheelchair and using PT can be a big issue.
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Post by Alex on Sept 19, 2022 15:04:57 GMT
Also bear in mind that PT whilst great in cities is pretty poor and expensive when you live out in the sticks. For Eg. My daughter has started college and although it's 5 mins down the road by car (you can't walk there as there's no paths) and the bus costs £6 each way. Take a bus to the nearest town (Horsham) and it's £12 for a journey that costs a car owner less than £2 worth of petrol. The local authority wonders why it struggles to get people our of their cars!
Go to London and bus journeys are £1.65 to go as far as you wish (you can even change bus within an hour and pay no more).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 15:18:55 GMT
We know ALL these things, those that 'organise' these policies etc are ignorant of them and that is unlikely to change.
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Post by PG on Sept 20, 2022 9:24:27 GMT
We know ALL these things, those that 'organise' these policies etc are ignorant of them and that is unlikely to change. That is so true of just so much in life. And I don't think you can just blame politicians only for this. Most ministers at worst know the best part of bugger all (or have little real knowledge at best ) about their ministry. They therefore rely on the Civil Service to advise them and they seem to be either utterly London-middle class-centric or in thrall to whoever are the latest "in" pressure groups. And not just transport. Look at energy policy! I am sure that any person with a modicum of common sense and an internet connection could be better informed and take more sensible decisions than 95% of the politicians and civil servants. |
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