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Post by johnc on Jul 28, 2022 14:49:05 GMT
I think I posted recently that someone I know had sold his Taycan and bought a BMW X5 45e because the Taycan only managed 160/180 miles on a full charge.
After 2 months of ownership he has now put down a deposit on a new Range Rover hybrid which he won't get till next year.
The reason is the charging rate. Apparently the X5 can only charge at 3.7Kw/h which means it takes about 7 or 8 hours to charge to full from empty. During the day he has access to chargers at many of the sites he visits but at the slow charge rate he doesn't have time to wait for any meaningful charge to be added.
I had never really given this much thought (and it wouldn't bother me) but for some users it is now important to choose a hybrid which will charge quickly too.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 28, 2022 15:05:34 GMT
I'd never thought of topping up during the day. I'd always seen these plug-in hybrids as something you park on your driveway and charge overnight for the next day. They're not a true EV, just a way of fiddling the BIK.
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 28, 2022 15:19:38 GMT
Eh? Eva takes 6 hours on my domestic supply. At the club it’s about half that, which is unsurprising as the club has 20A chargers on the Type C cable and at home it’s limited to about 10A on a domestic cable. Is he using the domestic cable when out and about or the Type C?
Ok his battery is bigger but 75 minutes in the gym gives me 6kWh on 20A.
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Post by Ben on Jul 28, 2022 15:43:57 GMT
The thing I found out, obviously after test driving a few of these things, is that most plug-in hybrids (with an engine attached) can only accept 'slow' charging, something to do with their smaller batteries or some such. Whereas fully pure electric vehicles (with no engine at all) can accept fast charging, the type where they claim you can get 80 percent charge in 20 minutes or so.
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Post by johnc on Jul 28, 2022 17:10:24 GMT
Eh? Eva takes 6 hours on my domestic supply. At the club it’s about half that, which is unsurprising as the club has 20A chargers on the Type C cable and at home it’s limited to about 10A on a domestic cable. Is he using the domestic cable when out and about or the Type C? Ok his battery is bigger but 75 minutes in the gym gives me 6kWh on 20A. He still has the EV charger for the Taycan so I presume he is plugging it in to that. I have just looked it up and your car is the same maximum of 3.7kWh. I think my friend's problem (apart from having too much money) is that he can easily do 200 miles in a day with a couple of 1 hr stops and he wants to charge up in that time. At the moment he finds it only adds 10 or 15 miles to his range. I suppose for most people with a hybrid, it will just get charged up overnight at home. |
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Post by Big Blue on Jul 28, 2022 17:23:08 GMT
The other thing to remember with a PHEV is that the most powerful charger is the one on board. Set the nav wherever you’re going and the hybrid or Adaptive will decide when to charge based on traffic. I had this recently on a drive from Stansted back home which involved the North Circular. As I was on the M11 I noticed the MPG was suddenly brutally high because the car was charging the batteries. It then ran on electric for much of the N Circular and by the time I’d reached home the MPG was about where I’d expect it be for the whole journey. If I had lots of places to charge on a day of driving round I’d do it every time as every bit of charge helps.
It also looks like yer maun has an expectation beyond reality. 10-15 miles in an hour is a pretty good charge rate for a PHEV as the prime motive power is the ICE not the electric motor. The stop start nature has reduced that distance as well because if I run at a constant speed for any period of time on electric power the range goes up in front of my eyes.
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Post by Martin on Jul 28, 2022 17:56:51 GMT
I think I posted recently that someone I know had sold his Taycan and bought a BMW X5 45e because the Taycan only managed 160/180 miles on a full charge. After 2 months of ownership he has now put down a deposit on a new Range Rover hybrid which he won't get till next year. The reason is the charging rate. Apparently the X5 can only charge at 3.7Kw/h which means it takes about 7 or 8 hours to charge to full from empty. During the day he has access to chargers at many of the sites he visits but at the slow charge rate he doesn't have time to wait for any meaningful charge to be added. I had never really given this much thought (and it wouldn't bother me) but for some users it is now important to choose a hybrid which will charge quickly too. Isn’t the battery on the Range Rover about double the size of the X5…so it will still take him 7 to 8 hours to charge….! I know he will get more range, but I think he’ll just be paying a lot more money and not reducing his frustration all that much. I don’t have any sympathy though, he should have known the charging speed before buying the car and the real world range of a Taycan. Why is he bothered about a few miles of electricity? It’s only 200 miles a day, stick it in adaptive and let the car figure out the most efficient way to do it. I have free charging at most of my sites and stay several hours so would be worth plugging in if I ever go to the dark side. |
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Hybrids
Jul 28, 2022 19:30:17 GMT
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Post by cbeaks1 on Jul 28, 2022 19:30:17 GMT
50kwh charging on Range Rover I think.
Mine is 3.6kwh so takes 3 hours to charge
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Post by Martin on Jul 28, 2022 19:33:31 GMT
50kwh charging on Range Rover I think. Mine is 3.6kwh so takes 3 hours to charge Yes, but I assumed workplace chargers will be 7.2 kWh |
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Jul 28, 2022 21:04:59 GMT
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Post by bryan on Jul 28, 2022 21:04:59 GMT
Not sure what the Evoque is but charges the 14Kw battery in around 2hrs on our 7kw supply so at least 7kw charging. It does a reliable 30miles on the leccy and then charges itself up when on a steady cruise, just need to switch to ev to ensure you arrive home empty
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Post by johnc on Jul 29, 2022 7:31:37 GMT
50kwh charging on Range Rover I think. Mine is 3.6kwh so takes 3 hours to charge Yes, but I assumed workplace chargers will be 7.2 kWh He has a 22kWh charger at a couple of the places he goes and 7kWh elsewhere and just wants to keep his fuel costs down. However I do think he sometimes focuses on the small things (fuel cost) rather than the bigger items (depreciation). |
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