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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 20:02:24 GMT
Well I did see the highlights but, came away with a different view to the ch 4 team. I just do not believe that the circuit is fit for purpose F1 wise and conclude it should be dropped from the calendar.
It is far too easy to block overtakes and in the wet, slightly off line could end very badly for someone.
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Post by Sav on May 30, 2022 21:57:38 GMT
Tough one for me. Its not really possible to overtake, in anything. Not an F2 car, a 992 Cup car, nor an F1 car. Its not really a specific-problem for F1. Sure, the wider cars don’t help – but it’s not like it was any easier 10 or 20 years ago. However, it is a thrill to watch F1 cars go around Monaco. Brundle was at the Swimming Pool chicane on Friday, as the two Merc’s bounced their way through it. There isn’t another circuit that will give you that sense of speed and the visible attitude of the car. There are other “street” circuits, none of which have such a fine margin of error – as Ricciardo, Schumacher, Alonso and Perez all found out during the weekend.
As for the race. I’m not sure why anybody went to intermediate tyres. You can’t pass at Monaco, so even if someone pits for intermediates and gains four or five seconds per lap compared to cars trundling around on worn wets – they still won’t be able to overtake. The winning strategy, wasn’t done by anybody. But it was done by Mercedes in 2016. Similar situation, wet start, but a drying track. They waited until it dried, and only pitted Hamilton until it dried out, giving him track position. When some of them went to inters yesterday, everyone just felt the need to react. React to what, being overtaken? Nah, I would have stayed out on crappy old wet tyres, defended like crazy – and just get slicks went it was time. That scenario actually happened soon after the front runners went to intermediate tyres anyway.
Sainz pleaded with his team to stay the wet tyres, and bolt to slicks. That was the winning move, and they ignored him. Plus, with how trigger-happy race control is about Safety Cars these days – why pit earlier? Just get a cheap pitstop when someone smashes into one of the barriers. And sure enough, that happened.
As for Hamilton and Ocon. I thought that was just a racing incident. Ocon didn’t deserve that penalty. There was some racing in Monte Carlo, and the stewards didn’t like it. Boo.
I was more absorbed by the Nurburgring 24 Hours. The maddest race in the world. Not sure where else you have a Dacia Logan sharing the same race track as current GT3 machinery.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 31, 2022 8:37:24 GMT
You've just got to think of the race being more on the Saturday rather then the Sunday. No doubt F1 would be poorer without Moanco and vice-versa
I'm sure Sterling Moss moaned about Monaco being Mikey mouse in the 50's so its nothing new. The challenge remains and I do like Racing Drivers having a moan, it means their earning their fortunes the hard way. Felt for Charles but that seems to be his fortune currently, lets hope he doesn't turn into an Alesi or even Alonso. Another race Ferrari should have walked and they messed up on strategy. All they had to do was cover off the Red Bulls but I think they were too focused on LeClerc rather then using both drivers.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 31, 2022 8:46:17 GMT
I was more absorbed by the Nurburgring 24 Hours. The maddest race in the world. Not sure where else you have a Dacia Logan sharing the same race track as current GT3 machinery. The N24 is always a great watch. Shame there wasn't the drama this year as there has been in the past but amazing racing. When I turned on the tv in the morning and there's only 8 seconds between 1st and 2nd after 15 hours. Incredible. The GT3 guys have to race at 100% for 24hours. I had a mate of mine driving this year for Frikadelli Racing in a 992 Cup car. He started vising the ring 15 years ago and it sort of grew into an obsession where he now drives in the N24 in a competitive car, unfortunately they went out at dawn after hitting the barriers. In fact this weekend was motorsport heaven. The N24, Monaco, BTCC and then to top it off the Indy 500. My missus rally wasn't happy when I'd vegetated in front of the box for most the day and then after the Monaco GP said "thank god that over, whats on now" and I told her the Indy 500 had just started. |
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Post by Big Blue on May 31, 2022 16:37:19 GMT
I agree that Monaco is not a circuit for racing but getting it right on Saturday means you need car control, a balanced car, a level headed driver and the kind of precision that too many on the grid don’t have. See how much Vettel was ahead of Stroll in the same piece of shit car on Saturday? Perfect demonstration as to why Monaco is an overall event not just Sunday.
I’ve had huge rows over the years with associates and other fans about Monaco but as my degree dissertation was “Design considerations for motor racing circuits” some 30 years ago I can tell you that back then it was about looking after the corporate sponsors and their guests, families, bits of skirt more than about the racing. The main consideration on track is making sure the people on track were not unnecessarily killed or injured. A couple of years post-Dissertation some race at Imola was held on the first of May…….
Monaco is what sets F1 apart from BTCC or Indy / CART. Without it the mystique of the ties to the past is lost and sponsors will spend elsewhere - which is a really important message for the smaller teams as some of their sponsors are only there for an annual jolly to the principality all expenses paid.
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Post by Sav on May 31, 2022 21:44:00 GMT
I was more absorbed by the Nurburgring 24 Hours. The maddest race in the world. Not sure where else you have a Dacia Logan sharing the same race track as current GT3 machinery. The N24 is always a great watch. Shame there wasn't the drama this year as there has been in the past but amazing racing. When I turned on the tv in the morning and there's only 8 seconds between 1st and 2nd after 15 hours. Incredible. The GT3 guys have to race at 100% for 24hours. I had a mate of mine driving this year for Frikadelli Racing in a 992 Cup car. He started vising the ring 15 years ago and it sort of grew into an obsession where he now drives in the N24 in a competitive car, unfortunately they went out at dawn after hitting the barriers. In fact this weekend was motorsport heaven. The N24, Monaco, BTCC and then to top it off the Indy 500. My missus rally wasn't happy when I'd vegetated in front of the box for most the day and then after the Monaco GP said "thank god that over, whats on now" and I told her the Indy 500 had just started. Indeed so Ed. The N24 this year was a bit spoilt by the volume of accidents. Code 60 just breaking up the flow of the race. The UK commentary was saying that the resurfacing of sections of the Nordschleife had something to do with it; higher-cornering speeds. And higher cornering speeds for all, of course. Whether you were in a Dacia, a MK3 Golf or a GT3 car. And when they all meet in the middle, it only required a slight misjudgement for big consequences to happen - rarley is there a small crash on the Nordschleife. Shame to hear about your mate. He was like many. I kinda prefer N24 to Le Mans, it has the real spirit of endurance racing - man and machine. Buy something like an E90 3-Series, do some modifications and of course the mandatory laps that are required around the Nordschleife - and you're in. I think Le Mans will get some of that spirit back when it allows GT3 cars in 2024, a much more accessible GT-class with a lot more brand variety than GTE. GTE died years ago, but the ACO refused to acknowledge it. I had that same scenario! Wait for the Le Mans weekend. F1, BTCC, IndyCar and other stuff going on. But I'm not complaining.  |
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Post by Sav on May 31, 2022 21:53:58 GMT
I agree that Monaco is not a circuit for racing but getting it right on Saturday means you need car control, a balanced car, a level headed driver and the kind of precision that too many on the grid don’t have. See how much Vettel was ahead of Stroll in the same piece of shit car on Saturday? Perfect demonstration as to why Monaco is an overall event not just Sunday. That, is a good point. Vettel might not be the driver he once was, but he shows up Stroll too regularly imo. Mr E has been using the media to take pot shots against Liberty in recent months. He claims that they won't have the balls to drop Monaco, he is probably right. Liberty made all the right noises when they entered F1. Traditional venues and markets would be kept, the sport wouldn't chase every dollar no matter what the situation. Under their ownership, we have Saudi, will have Qatar again soon and Miami with fake yachts. Hardly a lot better than it was under Mr E's leadership. What they have found, is that money is money! What concerns me is that if venues don't produce the crap that Miami had, they will be dropped for not being "entertaining" enough. |
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