Jaguar E-Pace

I've just configured a D250 to the minimum spec I would have if ordering one and it came to £54,925. So, £10,000 down and it's £935 over 3 years or £790 a month over 4 years

That's rediculous for a small (4 cylinder diesel) SUV, even one with a decent spec.

Oh wow. That looks really good.

Want.

Purely anecdotally of course, but we've just spent a week in SW Scotland and the dealer principal at Lloyd Carlisle must be leafing enthusiastically through yacht brochures, going by how many Disco Sports I've seen here.

Then the configurator is flawed. It asks you to pick a model trim first and then the engine. When you then go down the engine selections all it shows is the price jumping from £37,450 to £47,950...

That's not buying one though is it - that's paying to cover the (lower) depreciation for a bit. Porsche servicing and parts will get you too - I just booked the XFR in for its 75k / 6 year service and they warned me it was pricey, but even with the unobtanium XFR oil and a brake fluid change it's still well under £500. Porsche charge that to phone you to tell you how much the service will be 

I'll have to have a look at the E Pace specs - sounds like they are not great. And if there is a huge price difference between the 250 and 300ps petrols, then the 250 sounds fine to me - what difference does it make to an SUV? Going from a 250 to 300 ps 4 pot turbo is not going to feel that different, the power and torque low down is probably much the same on both. Nothing like the subjective difference of going from a 2 litre 4 port to a 3 litre 6 pot or something like that. 

I have quite a few friends from my old regular trackday times who have bought things like M135i and M240i's - the only way to make it a bargain seems to be to be really brutal/honest with yourself about what options to go for and get a bargain basement one. Especially if you get an early one then sell before many other SH ones are on the market, you'll sell it no worries. 

Overall it looks nice but not as nice as the F Pace to me, that car's bigger overhangs suit it (opposite of the XE/XF situation) and I must admit to having a bit of a pang for an F Pace with the V6 supercharged petrol motor in it. Must have a go some time... Cliche's southern english mountain biker vehicle or what? F Pace and E Pace interiors both look great to me. 

You've loaded equipment onto what is an entry level car - many of the items you have selected (and some you haven't) are standard on the D240 R Dynamic HSE - which starts at £48,650....

Your configuration also has £2k's worth of " Jaguar Gear " - would you really put all that stuff on your car ? - or are points being made with outlandish configurations.

Do you think my configuration was outlandish? I was trying to be fair to Jag if anything.

I did look at the E-Pace v ze Germans the other day. I compared a D150 AWD Auto Dynamic R E-Pace (I'm guessing that's probably what most people on PCP will go for) and it was this - 

E-Pace D150 AWD auto Dynamic R £38,150
Q3 150PS Quattro S Line S-Tronic £33,515 but no leather. With leather and upgraded sat nav was £37k
X1 150PS X-drive auto M Sport £34,580

In the next size up, looking at the same spec - 
F-Pace D180 AWD Auto R Sport £41,330
Q5 190PS quattro S line S-tronic £40,200
X3 190PS quattro S Line S-tronic £40,500

X5's are not available with anything below a 231PS diesel and that starts at £54k (unless I'm mis-reading the configurator)

Interesting comparison too to Land Rover stable - 
Evoque D180 AWD Auto from £35k, probably about £38k spec for spec but has the bigger engine
Disco Sport D180 AWD auto, from £34k and again about £37k in same-ish spec. 

So out of that lot, the one that looks cheaper is the Q3. But it's an ugly bugger - like a blamanche on wheels. 

I reckon if you go into the options list heavily on any of the above, it will scare the crap out of you. 

As said above, I reckon the E-Pace must suffer a bit as it's being built by Magna, so that's got to cost more then Halewood where the Evoque and Disoc sport are built. Especially with the £ / Euro where it is. 

From a Jag perspective, it looks like the E-Pace v F-Pace decision is space and image related, rather then purely price.  Whereas, say, X1 to X3 has a bigger price jump. 

Oh, of course they will sell, it's the latest thing!  It's quite likely that the residuals will be better than in the current PCP deals, so it probably won't be as expensive as it looks, but that's a bit of a risk.

I wouldn't be too concerned about Porsche servicing costs. They have a fixed price structure and as a relevant example, a Macan Turbo will cost £425 for a 2 year / 20k service and £580 after 4 years / 40k miles assuming it needs brake fluid changing as well.  That's not bad for a £75-80k car.   The first service I paid for on the BMW was a minor with brake fluid (58k miles) and that cost £457, so not much difference.
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Was tempted to edit... although I think someone else will be editing theirs before long.

That's interesting Racing - especially as those are all cars on my long-list for whenever I change! I wonder if trading in £ after the Brexit vote has hit Jaguar. To be fair to it, the EX-S has also been updated recently to have some clear air in power between itself and those 3.

I looked on AT just now at second hand XE-S and F Pace V6S petrol prices. The former start at around £30k and the latter over £50k. Meanwhile, if you can ignore the slightly leggy 2009 age, you can have a dealer-supplied XFR with only 16,000 miles on the clock for less than £20k. Guess which I think is the best value... Only the facelifted XFR's seem to be asking silly money. The others are still total bargains compared to ze Germans - and a better car IMHO, and cheaper to run too, plus you can park them anywhere without trouble, and not get raced, as knobs don't seem to notice them.

The E-Pace would be a perfect family car for us in 2-litre petrol form, but I fear it will be a long time before the prices are anything like what I would be prepared to pay!