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Post by racingteatray on Mar 30, 2022 18:05:16 GMT
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Post by Martin on Mar 30, 2022 18:34:33 GMT
Crazy price really, I got to £93k and didn’t tick all boxes, although an M3 Touring will be about the same. But even if it was cheaper, I just couldn’t buy something with that face.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 30, 2022 18:59:16 GMT
£93,465. Yes, that's a lot but.....  |
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Post by Martin on Mar 30, 2022 20:14:05 GMT
£93,465. Yes, that's a lot but.....  But the B5 is worth the extra? |
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 30, 2022 20:17:45 GMT
Fuck yeah. A full fat B5 touring is the King.
(Note I called Eva the queen earlier 😉)
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 31, 2022 5:33:17 GMT
I do think the new design wheels look much better than the old ones.
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Post by johnc on Mar 31, 2022 9:04:05 GMT
Highlighted by a chrome surround, that grill just got even worse. I was hoping that Alpina might have found a way to graft on a different front grill treatment on but unfortunately not. It's a shame because I don't otherwise find the 4GC unattractive. A neighbour had a white one for a couple of days (maybe test driving it) and it looked attractive when parked nose in to his driveway.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 31, 2022 9:53:40 GMT
Highlighted by a chrome surround, that grill just got even worse. I was hoping that Alpina might have found a way to graft on a different front grill treatment on but unfortunately not. It's a shame because I don't otherwise find the 4GC unattractive. A neighbour had a white one for a couple of days (maybe test driving it) and it looked attractive when parked nose in to his driveway. Agreed. The shape is really nice but the grille hasn't even softened its impact on the visuals with the passing of time. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 31, 2022 10:35:59 GMT
Highlighted by a chrome surround, that grill just got even worse. I was hoping that Alpina might have found a way to graft on a different front grill treatment on but unfortunately not. It's a shame because I don't otherwise find the 4GC unattractive. A neighbour had a white one for a couple of days (maybe test driving it) and it looked attractive when parked nose in to his driveway. Agreed. The shape is really nice but the grille hasn't even softened its impact on the visuals with the passing of time. Familiarity has softened the visuals significantly enough to not making it a deal breaker for me. In fact the 4GC has been smart enough to get rid of the 3 series door handles which jar nealy as much as the grille. If I was shopping for an Alpina it would be a B3S Touring in the exact spec Jonny choose for his 4GC apart from I'd have gold strips all over it. |
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 31, 2022 11:00:42 GMT
Notwithstanding the door handles??
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Post by PG on Mar 31, 2022 11:02:06 GMT
Does anybody yet do a nose transplant for the 4 series, like there is for the 3 series? Because that Alpina still really needs one.
You'd think with all the other stuff they change, that Alpina would do a different nose as well for the price. Or maybe BMW won't let them?
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Post by PetrolEd on Mar 31, 2022 11:11:33 GMT
Notwithstanding the door handles?? I hear you but there's something so right about a B3s, plus the stripes will cause just enough distraction to keep my eyes off the door handles |
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Post by racingteatray on Mar 31, 2022 11:18:11 GMT
Does anybody yet do a nose transplant for the 4 series, like there is for the 3 series? Because that Alpina still really needs one. You'd think with all the other stuff they change, that Alpina would do a different nose as well for the price. Or maybe BMW won't let them? Agreed - a 3-series or 8-series style nose conversion would be very good. Otherwise you just have to go with the black pack and a darker colour. |
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Post by Martin on Mar 31, 2022 12:36:49 GMT
Fuck yeah. A full fat B5 touring is the King. (Note I called Eva the queen earlier 😉) That’s a relief, we’ve not lost BB completely!  |
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Post by Ben on Mar 31, 2022 13:53:10 GMT
I dunno. Alpinas are supposed to be subtle, and the big grille just doesn't seem to gel with the Alpina treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 16:49:30 GMT
Perhaps this way, a nose job is possible.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 31, 2022 17:08:40 GMT
I suspect, as BMW own Alpina, they would see any change of grille an admission of the mistake they’ve made and would veto it.
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Post by PG on Apr 1, 2022 10:39:35 GMT
Does anybody yet do a nose transplant for the 4 series, like there is for the 3 series? Because that Alpina still really needs one. You'd think with all the other stuff they change, that Alpina would do a different nose as well for the price. Or maybe BMW won't let them? Agreed - a 3-series or 8-series style nose conversion would be very good. Otherwise you just have to go with the black pack and a darker colour.And a really, really big number plate.  |
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Post by Martin on Apr 1, 2022 18:33:53 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on May 16, 2022 16:39:46 GMT
Coming back to this...just for completeness, I had the quote from Sytners...
£88k OTR, 6.2% APR, £20k deposit, £950pcm and a balloon of £36.6k.
Lovely car though it is, that pricing is just not happening, not by a long way.
For comparison, when it was new, my car was £39k OTR, 2.9% APR, £6k deposit, £390pcm and a balloon of £17.4k.
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Post by Martin on May 16, 2022 17:26:27 GMT
Coming back to this...just for completeness, I had the quote from Sytners... £88k OTR, 6.2% APR, £20k deposit, £950pcm and a balloon of £36.6k. Lovely car though it is, that pricing is just not happening, not by a long way. For comparison, when it was new, my car was £39k OTR, 2.9% APR, £6k deposit, £390pcm and a balloon of £17.4k. That is an awful lot for a 4 series (£1350 a month) but I suppose is to be expected for one that is nearly £90k. It is double the cost new of your current car, has a much higher spec and you wouldn't get a new 440i for £39k, as the discounts aren't there now (5-6% at best). A new 'like for like' replacement would be £60k after discount, so the monthlies would be double that you paid on yours with the same £6k deposit. Perhaps a fairer comparison is an M3 xDrive, which would be £750 a month with a £20k deposit and a small discount. The APR doesn't help, that's c£260 a month in interest. Although BMW are up at 4.9% and Porsche want 6.9%....it's easy to start getting to figures of over £500 a month interest on a 911. Are you sticking with the Macan you've ordered? |
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Post by racingteatray on May 16, 2022 17:35:28 GMT
Much too much.
Yes, sticking with Macan for time being. Crunch decision time on that is not until the autumn, unless production takes an unlikely leap forward, with a car key not materialising in my sweaty paw much before early 2023.
My order is currently circa £76k OTR. Less well-specced nearly-new Gen 3 Macan GTSs are on the Porsche Approved site for over £90k!
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Post by Martin on May 16, 2022 17:46:36 GMT
Much too much. Yes, sticking with Macan for time being. Crunch decision time on that is not until the autumn, unless production takes an unlikely leap forward, with a car key not materialising in my sweaty paw much before early 2023. My order is currently circa £76k OTR. Less well-specced nearly-new Gen 3 Macan GTSs are on the Porsche Approved site for over £90k! I was in my local dealership last week and they have a late Turbo in a not particularly special spec or low mileage up for £101,500!! Although it was in the showroom, it's officially a demonstrator and I was told they don't want to sell it right now....I guess that's the case with some of the new GTSs that are being advertised. Even at £76k, I'd guess the cost per month is over £1,000 on a PCP (inc deposit) at 6.9%. Better to think of it being over £300 a month less than a 4 series, makes it feel like a real bargain!  Edit: Having seen one now, I'd seriously look at the gloss black exterior trim pack on the GTS. There's a huge amount of unfinished black plastic on the front otherwise, which looked a bit cheap to me. |
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Post by racingteatray on May 16, 2022 19:13:21 GMT
I confess do blow very hot and cold on this topic. I've been really pleased with my current car plus it costs me nothing except maintenance and does nothing wrong apart from perhaps being a touch on the low side. Moreover, to date it's been easily the most reliable car I've owned. Over 45k miles and 5.5 yrs, the only thing that's gone wrong with it was a failed bush on the steering column about two years ago (a known fault for the model). Now I've said that, it'll probably blow up tomorrow...
It's mainly just an itch to change before the fun police kill everything off. But then equally a lot of the time it would be a waste of time and money. The London Mayor and TFL have lost the plot entirely and made pretty much every road near us and frankly anywhere within central London a 20mph zone, and I shouldn't have to drive slower than the cyclists are permitted to cycle on frankly anything other than a residential side road or going past a school. 30mph on main streets was fine for years without entire classrooms of toddlers being mown down on a monthly basis - why is it suddenly not now? Going along the Embankment at 20mph is just mind-numbing and the the West Way, where the A40 goes into central London is now 30mph despite being an entirely inaccessible elevated dual carriageway. At the risk of sounding like Jeremy Clarkson (not that I disagree with him on much), I'm convinced it's just more evidence of the pernicious "health and safety" plague afflicting metropolitan officialdom these days. With those circumstances, what's the point of 440bhp and a large monthly payment?
Just in case any of you thought that what with being a perennial Boris-bashing Remainer, I might be some sort of closet lefty...
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 20:31:25 GMT
Westway has always been a pain. I wonder what the actually achieveable speed on that bit of road is but certainly not the 40mph I can remember.
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Post by Big Blue on May 16, 2022 21:02:57 GMT
The 20mph stuff is bollocks. When there are lots of cars and people about 20mph is totally unattainable; when there a fewer cars and people 30mph is not at all dangerous. And if I’m an uninsured gimboid in a car with a penknife blade as a key that my mate Robbie got me in exchange for an iPhone I don’t give a shit about any cameras enforcing them anyway.
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Post by PG on May 17, 2022 12:09:20 GMT
The 20mph stuff is bollocks. When there are lots of cars and people about 20mph is totally unattainable; when there a fewer cars and people 30mph is not at all dangerous. And if I’m an uninsured gimboid in a car with a penknife blade as a key that my mate Robbie got me in exchange for an iPhone I don’t give a shit about any cameras enforcing them anyway. And that is why none of us are allowed anywhere near the levers of power - we exude far too much common sense. Although I do wonder if any new party stood a chance in the UK it might be "Common Sense". "I'm voting for Common Sense" has a certain appeal. |
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Post by Martin on May 17, 2022 14:00:26 GMT
I confess do blow very hot and cold on this topic. I've been really pleased with my current car plus it costs me nothing except maintenance and does nothing wrong apart from perhaps being a touch on the low side. Moreover, to date it's been easily the most reliable car I've owned. Over 45k miles and 5.5 yrs, the only thing that's gone wrong with it was a failed bush on the steering column about two years ago (a known fault for the model). Now I've said that, it'll probably blow up tomorrow... It's mainly just an itch to change before the fun police kill everything off. But then equally a lot of the time it would be a waste of time and money. The London Mayor and TFL have lost the plot entirely and made pretty much every road near us and frankly anywhere within central London a 20mph zone, and I shouldn't have to drive slower than the cyclists are permitted to cycle on frankly anything other than a residential side road or going past a school. 30mph on main streets was fine for years without entire classrooms of toddlers being mown down on a monthly basis - why is it suddenly not now? Going along the Embankment at 20mph is just mind-numbing and the the West Way, where the A40 goes into central London is now 30mph despite being an entirely inaccessible elevated dual carriageway. At the risk of sounding like Jeremy Clarkson (not that I disagree with him on much), I'm convinced it's just more evidence of the pernicious "health and safety" plague afflicting metropolitan officialdom these days. With those circumstances, what's the point of 440bhp and a large monthly payment? Just in case any of you thought that what with being a perennial Boris-bashing Remainer, I might be some sort of closet lefty... That does sound equally pointless and horrendous. I think I’m having a bad day of my door to door average speed starts with a low 4! |
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Post by racingteatray on May 18, 2022 8:55:03 GMT
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Post by Martin on May 18, 2022 9:23:30 GMT
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