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Post by franki68 on Feb 4, 2022 0:14:49 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Feb 4, 2022 10:24:51 GMT
Interesting indeed, however I wonder how popular it will be as the Turbo models kind of suit what the 911 has turned into which is a Grand tourer type of car. If they can create something sub GTS running a NA engine with some lightweight bits thrown at it, like the old 991T but with more, Lets call it a Club Sport, well that could be something.
Good to see the rear bumper treatment on the test car with the new exhausts as that will cure one of the issues I have with the 992 which is its mass of plastic bumper. Now all they need to do is put the old school cup holders back, get rid of the Braun shaver gearknob and the mass of plastic on the front and I'll be back on board.
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Post by Blarno on Feb 4, 2022 11:44:12 GMT
Why does it have an analogue tacho but a digital speedo? That makes no sense. Dials or no dials, make yer mind up!
Not sure how they can deduce the car in the photos isn't turbocharged because the exhaust is similar to a Cayman's - the turbos are mounted higher up and close to the manifolds anyway.
Anyway, so far, so 911. Business as usual.
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Post by Tim on Feb 4, 2022 12:29:51 GMT
Wasn't there a story last year that due to WLTP regs (possibly) manufacturers were going to go for bigger lower revving engines and ditch turbos?
Of course they're all chasing electric so that probably won't happen, although perhaps the current energy cost drama might make some of them think twice.
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Post by Martin on Feb 4, 2022 12:58:43 GMT
Why does it have an analogue tacho but a digital speedo? That makes no sense. Dials or no dials, make yer mind up! Not sure how they can deduce the car in the photos isn't turbocharged because the exhaust is similar to a Cayman's - the turbos are mounted higher up and close to the manifolds anyway. Anyway, so far, so 911. Business as usual. Digital speedos are much better than analogue ones and Porsche have had them in their cars for a long time as the analogue speedos were very hard to read. The NA engine possibility is really interesting, but I agree wIth Ed that the turbocharged engines probably do suit the mainstream 911s. I understand that if you order a base car now, it will be a 992.2 due to the extended leadtimes and their desire to build the more profitable cars first. |
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Post by Martin on Feb 4, 2022 13:01:24 GMT
Interesting indeed, however I wonder how popular it will be as the Turbo models kind of suit what the 911 has turned into which is a Grand tourer type of car. If they can create something sub GTS running a NA engine with some lightweight bits thrown at it, like the old 991T but with more, Lets call it a Club Sport, well that could be something. Good to see the rear bumper treatment on the test car with the new exhausts as that will cure one of the issues I have with the 992 which is its mass of plastic bumper. Now all they need to do is put the old school cup holders back, get rid of the Braun shaver gearknob and the mass of plastic on the front and I'll be back on board. The Sport design pack helps reduce the mass of plastic on the front and making it high gloss black also helps, but that does push the cost up. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 4, 2022 13:11:15 GMT
Wasn't there a story last year that due to WLTP regs (possibly) manufacturers were going to go for bigger lower revving engines and ditch turbos? Of course they're all chasing electric so that probably won't happen, although perhaps the current energy cost drama might make some of them think twice. ...although Porsche are continuing with their development of alternative fuels, so new ICE technology would be of use to them. |
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 4, 2022 13:47:00 GMT
This could be sweating the last of the developed ICE power units. I hope for future generations of enthusiasts that a new, cleaner, sustainable fuel for suck-squeeze-bang-blow power creation can be developed and I bet most of the developed world hope so too when we look at this week’s news of a domestic energy price hike. Soon electric car owners will be looking jealously at their neighbours small-engined ICE car that can be filled up for a mere £50.
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Post by Blarno on Feb 4, 2022 13:55:03 GMT
Why does it have an analogue tacho but a digital speedo? That makes no sense. Dials or no dials, make yer mind up! Not sure how they can deduce the car in the photos isn't turbocharged because the exhaust is similar to a Cayman's - the turbos are mounted higher up and close to the manifolds anyway. Anyway, so far, so 911. Business as usual. Digital speedos are much better than analogue ones and Porsche have had them in their cars for a long time as the analogue speedos were very hard to read. The NA engine possibility is really interesting, but I agree wIth Ed that the turbocharged engines probably do suit the mainstream 911s. I understand that if you order a base car now, it will be a 992.2 due to the extended leadtimes and their desire to build the more profitable cars first. But the pictures show a digital pretend dial speedo. The digital numerical display as well makes sense, but why go to the trouble of creating a fake dial for the speedo but have an actual dial for the tacho? It's 2 completely different schools of thought right next to each other. |
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Post by Martin on Feb 4, 2022 14:04:18 GMT
Digital speedos are much better than analogue ones and Porsche have had them in their cars for a long time as the analogue speedos were very hard to read. The NA engine possibility is really interesting, but I agree wIth Ed that the turbocharged engines probably do suit the mainstream 911s. I understand that if you order a base car now, it will be a 992.2 due to the extended leadtimes and their desire to build the more profitable cars first. But the pictures show a digital pretend dial speedo. The digital numerical display as well makes sense, but why go to the trouble of creating a fake dial for the speedo but have an actual dial for the tacho? It's 2 completely different schools of thought right next to each other. A fair point, but I think it’s the other way around, they’ve gone to the trouble of creating a proper dial for the tacho in a digital screen. |
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 4, 2022 14:42:04 GMT
Bikes have always had the Tacho take precedence over the speedo, and many with an analogue Tacho and digital speedo. With all the fuss about the current BMW car displays I realise how little interested I am in the revs in a car that just stops me over revving and will select the correct gears as required. I am generally interested in my rate of progress, however.
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Post by Tim on Feb 4, 2022 15:42:21 GMT
But the pictures show a digital pretend dial speedo. The digital numerical display as well makes sense, but why go to the trouble of creating a fake dial for the speedo but have an actual dial for the tacho? It's 2 completely different schools of thought right next to each other. A fair point, but I think it’s the other way around, they’ve gone to the trouble of creating a proper dial for the tacho in a digital screen. BMW did the same with the 'digital cockpit' as fitted to my 4 Series. I'd always much rather have a dial than numbers for the speedo though. Perhaps modern readouts are better but the ones fitted to the Citroen Picasso Mk1 and Renault Scenic Mk2 that my parents had were shite. |
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Post by Martin on Feb 4, 2022 16:40:35 GMT
A fair point, but I think it’s the other way around, they’ve gone to the trouble of creating a proper dial for the tacho in a digital screen. BMW did the same with the 'digital cockpit' as fitted to my 4 Series. I'd always much rather have a dial than numbers for the speedo though. Perhaps modern readouts are better but the ones fitted to the Citroen Picasso Mk1 and Renault Scenic Mk2 that my parents had were shite. The digital cockpit BMW moved to a couple of years ago is a complete mess. The lack of configurability is a wasted opportunity as well, although despite having different display options on both cars, I've defaulted to a traditional 2 dial set up with info in the middle! With a digital speedo in the middle of the speed dial. The best solution is a modern HUD, with digital speedo, traffic sign recognition and colour junction displays. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 4, 2022 17:07:05 GMT
BMW did the same with the 'digital cockpit' as fitted to my 4 Series. I'd always much rather have a dial than numbers for the speedo though. Perhaps modern readouts are better but the ones fitted to the Citroen Picasso Mk1 and Renault Scenic Mk2 that my parents had were shite. The digital cockpit BMW moved to a couple of years ago is a complete mess. The lack of configurability is a wasted opportunity as well, although despite having different display options on both cars, I've defaulted to a traditional 2 dial set up with info in the middle! With a digital speedo in the middle of the speed dial. The best solution is a modern HUD, with digital speedo, traffic sign recognition and colour junction displays. Mine is the older one so sort of based around dials. It still irritates me though that when you use the steering wheel controls to change radio station, etc the rev counter disappears for a few seconds. There's a big space in the middle they could've used. I don't like the display that comes up in Sport or Sport+ either but at least you can circumvent that by moving the gearlever across into Sport but leaving the drive mode as Normal. It's still a bit of a missed oportunity but much nicer than the current Octagonal ones |
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Post by Martin on Feb 4, 2022 18:12:24 GMT
The digital cockpit BMW moved to a couple of years ago is a complete mess. The lack of configurability is a wasted opportunity as well, although despite having different display options on both cars, I've defaulted to a traditional 2 dial set up with info in the middle! With a digital speedo in the middle of the speed dial. The best solution is a modern HUD, with digital speedo, traffic sign recognition and colour junction displays. Mine is the older one so sort of based around dials. It still irritates me though that when you use the steering wheel controls to change radio station, etc the rev counter disappears for a few seconds. There's a big space in the middle they could've used. I don't like the display that comes up in Sport or Sport+ either but at least you can circumvent that by moving the gearlever across into Sport but leaving the drive mode as Normal. It's still a bit of a missed oportunity but much nicer than the current Octagonal ones I think you can change a setting so it doesn't do that? You could on my 7, but it may have been a choice between HUD and dials. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 7, 2022 9:10:54 GMT
I'll have another look although I imagine the one in mine is a fairly basic spec since it was an option for something like £250.
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