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Post by racingteatray on Nov 5, 2021 19:13:57 GMT
Anyone got any experience of them and views?
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Post by Blarno on Nov 5, 2021 21:47:42 GMT
I was part of the testing for our carbon ceramic brake upgrade. We had to perform dead stops from 140mph, left the tyres looking like 50p pieces. The stopping power on such a light car is phenomenal - we were stopping in a shorter distance from 100mph than the Highway Code claims for 40mph. Not sure how they feel on heavier cars, but the general consensus is that they take longer to warm up, but once they do, they are insanely powerful and fade resistant.
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Post by Blarno on Nov 5, 2021 21:49:41 GMT
Add to that the fact that a Mono on steel brakes is massively overbraked and will out brake almost anything on the planet. That's when you're not taking advantage of the phenomenal engine braking and not touching the brakes.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 6, 2021 0:54:43 GMT
If you had a choice on a “regular” performance car - eg an M4 or 911 or some such, would you want the ceramics or normal brakes?
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 6, 2021 17:36:20 GMT
What are you considering buying...?
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 6, 2021 20:31:22 GMT
What are you considering buying...? I wondered when the penny would drop. See other thread. |
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Post by Blarno on Nov 6, 2021 20:45:52 GMT
I genuinely think that carbon brakes are too much for a road car. They're mostly for pub bragging rights and a bit of willy waving.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 6, 2021 20:50:02 GMT
I genuinely think that carbon brakes are too much for a road car. They're mostly for pub bragging rights and a bit of willy waving. Absolutely |
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 6, 2021 21:56:46 GMT
I’ve experienced them in Porsches on track they’re fantastic but then I’ve never experienced issues in modern Porsches on steels but I’m not Lewis Hamilton so they are a little wasted on me. On the road they are worse for stopping power as they need to be warm to work properly.
I’d be nervous about the replacement bill but you’d be unlucky to need new discs unless there damaged by a stone for example. Worse happens swap them out for steels.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 7, 2021 0:20:44 GMT
What are you considering buying...? I wondered when the penny would drop. See other thread.  |
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Post by Stuntman on Nov 7, 2021 21:14:24 GMT
I've been very happy with the steels on my various Caymans for road and occasional track use and I would be wary of a very large bill if I had the ceramics and needed to replace them for some reason. General consensus on the Porsche sub forum on PH seems to be that the ceramics are better if you don't want brake dust, pedal feel is probably better on the steels, the ceramics can squeal a bit more than the steels, the steering can feel a bit lighter, and the unsprung mass is of course a bit lower. Most of the people who post there are possibly more interested in how the yellow calipers co-ordinate with either the bodywork or the interior stitching colour  Porsche steel brakes are more than adequate for road use - in fact they are fantastic. |
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Post by Tim on Nov 8, 2021 9:15:06 GMT
I presume if a Porsche 911 has red calipers then it has steel brakes?
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Post by Blarno on Nov 8, 2021 11:30:13 GMT
One of the benefits of lightweight and a really high compression engine:
The first Mono (Our own) is now 10 years old and still on its original steel discs and pads. The pads are not even a quarter worn. We haven't replaced a single pad or brake disc through wear yet.
Oddly, the carbon brakes on our current Gen test car are 7 years old and have been to hell and back in terms of use and are only just at a point where the discs are reaching the end of their life.
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Post by Martin on Nov 8, 2021 11:34:10 GMT
I presume if a Porsche 911 has red calipers then it has steel brakes? Yes, and I think red callipers means it's an S or above. You can pay extra to have them black, on both the standard brakes and PCCBs. |
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 8, 2021 11:41:12 GMT
Most of the people who post there are possibly more interested in how the yellow calipers co-ordinate with either the bodywork or the interior stitching colour Yes I can imagine! I wouldn't pick yellow calipers but they look fine against Night Blue and are almost less obviously schporty than red ones. |
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Post by franki68 on Nov 8, 2021 13:33:18 GMT
I have had them.They are brilliant although mine drove me mad squeaking (they were on the Aston) and I have seriously considered them every time I have specced a car,but I really like the Porsche steel brakes for feel and with Porsche I think the steels are so good that you don't need the ceramics.
A lot of them can be quite grabby and make it difficult to drive smoothly,I would try to test them on any car before buying.
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Post by franki68 on Nov 8, 2021 13:36:03 GMT
I have just seen what you are looking at,I would certainly have them on any heavy car like that ,but you want them properly checked out they cost a fortune to replace.
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 8, 2021 14:46:50 GMT
I have just seen what you are looking at,I would certainly have them on any heavy car like that ,but you want them properly checked out they cost a fortune to replace. I'd assume that on an OPC car with the two year warranty, you are paying for them to be ok? |
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Post by franki68 on Nov 8, 2021 14:51:05 GMT
I really would check on that ,brakes and pads are considered wear and tear usually .
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Post by johnc on Nov 8, 2021 14:52:15 GMT
I have just seen what you are looking at,I would certainly have them on any heavy car like that ,but you want them properly checked out they cost a fortune to replace. I'd assume that on an OPC car with the two year warranty, you are paying for them to be ok? I would think you are only paying for them to be within tolerance. I would also think that they would be considered to be consumables as soon as the car is purchased and would thereafter no longer be covered by warranty. I would be asking what the thickness of the discs was when new, what they are now and most importantly at what thickness is replacement required. |
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