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Post by johnc on Oct 27, 2021 8:10:09 GMT
This is something I am very aware of now that my just 18 year old daughter has gone off to University and it really scares me.
There is also lots in the news about drinks being spiked and there is going to be a boycott of clubs by girls this week to try to force more action to prevent it. There is also the reported recent injection of women in night clubs which basically renders them unconscious.
Has spiking of drinks/injections become more prevalent or are we just hearing more about it? I would like to know what goes through someone's mind when they decide to do this to a young woman. Where do they buy the drugs to spike and why can't there be more surveillance which allows the culprits to be identified? Is there a certain demographic for your average spiker and why can't we just chop their nuts off if they are caught?
Walking about Glasgow as a student and taking public transport home was dangerous enough for me 30+ years ago but drugging people and then raping their comatose body is on a completely different level and would leave scars and insecurities potentially for life: and life should be the sentence for those found guilty.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 27, 2021 9:22:49 GMT
I think it is a problem but I've also never seen so many young girls absolutely plastered through drink, through pre-loading before they go out and drinking strong cocktails throughout the night in town. I'm not surprised many can't remember whole parts of the previous evening.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 27, 2021 10:46:53 GMT
I’m sure there were always these issues when I was younger and worked weekends in a very dubious club as I knew the owner (armed doormen type of place) but I agree with Bob, not just girls but boys too. I’m aware that my own alcohol use as a teen was eye watering but today the drinks are concocted to not only taste of sweeties but contain enough shots to double your intake without knowing it.
I think we’ll find these instances are rare compared to the number of club / party goers but the fact the media and then the social media loons have raised it makes us think we’re in danger of being jabbed as we emerge from our front door.
Never go home or party alone or with someone you don’t know was a strategic move in the ‘80s. No reason it shouldn’t be now.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 27, 2021 11:39:42 GMT
I don’t like the idea of staying at home as a protest for all the obvious reasons. We’ve all been there, starts as a large group that throughout the night gets smaller and smaller. You’ve got too pissed too early, Going off with some girl you’ve met to get jiggy. Suddenly need a dirty kebab from the plastic box merchant. Someone’s throwing an after party back at their digs and this is where the danger comes about and it’s not just women that need to be careful. Yes people have the right to go about their lives in safety and security but there are a lot of nutters out there. It’s that groups duty to make sure everyone gets home safely and would be a better route of action rather then staying in as a protest.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 27, 2021 12:38:58 GMT
I don’t like the idea of staying at home as a protest for all the obvious reasons. We’ve all been there, starts as a large group that throughout the night gets smaller and smaller. You’ve got too pissed too early, Going off with some girl you’ve met to get jiggy. Suddenly need a dirty kebab from the plastic box merchant. Someone’s throwing an after party back at their digs and this is where the danger comes about and it’s not just women that need to be careful. Yes people have the right to go about their lives in safety and security but there are a lot of nutters out there. It’s that groups duty to make sure everyone gets home safely and would be a better route of action rather then staying in as a protest. As good an idea as that may be, the problem is, 10 pints in (or whatever) any semblance of "duty" has gone out the window!
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Post by PG on Oct 27, 2021 13:43:55 GMT
I think the spiking of drinks has always been an issue, from adding more alcohol to somebody's drink; pretending to drink a drink to get somebody to drink more; all the way to date-rape drugs. But like many things, social media gives it far more coverage and I suspect that date-rape drugs are easier to get hold of now as there is more general drug availability.
Sadly, the way to avoid it is the same as it always was, much of which has already been said. Including only drink a drink that you've seen poured and has been given straight to you and never leave your drink unattended. And don't go anywhere alone. Although I recognise that if you want to take matters further with somebody, that may be impossible unless you fancy a threesome, but if you're too pissed to know what you're going to do, then you should not be going anywhere and a friend should take you home.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 28, 2021 20:38:53 GMT
Lindsey went out with a friend for a meal at a wine bar/club in Darlington about 15 years ago. She came back in a state that I have never seen her in since. The friend alleged that they only had 3 drinks and then can't remember anything further. She vomited several times during the night all over the house which I had to clear up and I left her to sleep it off the next day. She remembers nothing other than having the meal and 2-3 drinks. Doesn't remember being ill or anything else.
She swears she was spiked as the lack of memory and fog after just 3 drinks isn't possible and I am inclined to agree as I've seen her very drunk and this was nothing like it.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 28, 2021 21:31:51 GMT
Lindsey went out with a friend for a meal at a wine bar/club in Darlington about 15 years ago. I honestly thought this was going to end “….and when the roofies wore off she discovered she’d married me.” 😁
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 28, 2021 21:35:40 GMT
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Post by Alex on Oct 29, 2021 7:12:14 GMT
It's been a well publicised problem for many years and I remember seeing all the warnings (aimed mostly at women) when I started drinking over 20 years ago. I've been out and got hammered on a number of occasions in my youth but only one time at uni do I truly have no recollection of what I got up to. During my first year at uni I went to the student bar but only the next morning did I have one of my angry female friends come to my door to tell me I'd practically fallen through the door to her room at 3am when she'd had a couple of mates from home stopping over who had to help her escort me back to my room. I didn't do anything dodgy I was just being a complete knob! I'll never know if I drunk something I shouldn't have but I've never had that experience again even after some pretty heavy sessions since. Our halls were off campus so how I got back there in one piece is anyone's guess.
I know the warnings about not being alone when drunk are aimed at women but you can be equally vulnerable to a mugging or worse as a man if you allow yourself to get so drunk even the taxis won't take you home. I remember once out clubbing in Bournemouth a mate disappeared and we later found he'd been chucked out and was so drunk the taxis all told him to do one so he did. Walked back 10 miles to his home the other side of Poole including along the hard shoulder of a dual carriageway (he knew he went that way because he ended up home with some of the signs from the roadworks!) OK it's a funny story bit it wouldn'thave been if he'd been run over.
I think the warnings are getting louder at the moment because of the recent murders of Sarah Everard and the two women stabbed in the park by that devil worshiper last year. There was also a recent case in Nottingham of a drunk girl being raped and murdered. Understandably a lot of women feel that enough is enough and not enough protection is being given and in many ways I'd agree, however as a man I hate the way we're all being labelled as some sort of predator. But equally as a father of two girls I do see how men should be made aware of how very low level stuff such as looking at a girls arse in the street makes them feel very uncomfortable and I wouldn't like another chap doing that to my girls when they get older. I know it's a bit extreme to suggest that if you think it's OK to look at a girl with a low cut top you'll probably end up raping her - of course 9999 out of 10000 men won't, but that doesn't mean that it's OK and that women somehow appreciate the gesture.
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Post by Ben on Oct 29, 2021 14:38:13 GMT
I think the warnings are getting louder at the moment because of the recent murders of Sarah Everard and the two women stabbed in the park by that devil worshiper last year. There was also a recent case in Nottingham of a drunk girl being raped and murdered. Understandably a lot of women feel that enough is enough and not enough protection is being given and in many ways I'd agree, however as a man I hate the way we're all being labelled as some sort of predator. But equally as a father of two girls I do see how men should be made aware of how very low level stuff such as looking at a girls arse in the street makes them feel very uncomfortable and I wouldn't like another chap doing that to my girls when they get older. I know it's a bit extreme to suggest that if you think it's OK to look at a girl with a low cut top you'll probably end up raping her - of course 9999 out of 10000 men won't, but that doesn't mean that it's OK and that women somehow appreciate the gesture. Honestly it's the actions of the minority that tarnishes the majority, and I don't blame women for being fearful and defensive against men. Such incidents leave terrible mental scars that can be hard to erase and forget.
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Post by Blarno on Nov 1, 2021 12:23:35 GMT
One thing I've always done, no matter how drunk or otherwise intoxicated I may have been, was to make sure the female members of my group got home safely. Even if it meant me or one of the others walking miles out of our way.
I've never understood the need or desire to drug someone for the purposes of gratification. I'm no Adonis. I'm also ginger, but it has never stood in the way of my ability to attract members of the opposite sex by just talking to them. Must be a fragile male ego thing. Thankfully, nothing has ever happened to any of my female friends, or I may have ended up serving time for GBH or attempted murder.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 1, 2021 12:46:34 GMT
One thing I've always done, no matter how drunk or otherwise intoxicated I may have been, was to make sure the female members of my group got home safely. Even if it meant me or one of the others walking miles out of our way.I've never understood the need or desire to drug someone for the purposes of gratification. I'm no Adonis. I'm also ginger, but it has never stood in the way of my ability to attract members of the opposite sex by just talking to them. Must be a fragile male ego thing. Thankfully, nothing has ever happened to any of my female friends, or I may have ended up serving time for GBH or attempted murder. Same here - till they're through their front door safely. Mind you sometimes that walk back was in the hope of getting an invite in..... not much luck there either
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Post by Blarno on Nov 1, 2021 16:47:39 GMT
We all lived in hope!
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Post by PG on Nov 1, 2021 17:54:53 GMT
Indeed. "Let me give you a lift home...." said whilst trying not to sound too desperate.
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Post by Ben on Nov 2, 2021 2:57:46 GMT
One thing I've always done, no matter how drunk or otherwise intoxicated I may have been, was to make sure the female members of my group got home safely. Even if it meant me or one of the others walking miles out of our way. I try to do the same, but in Singapore crime is less of an issue (it's not non-existent but mostly it's relatively safe here). So sometimes if the girl insists she'll be ok on her own I won't force the issue.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Nov 2, 2021 7:14:30 GMT
We've seen quite a big increase in reports of spiking at work, although I've not dealt with any directly and there is a national programme to collate numbers. The increase will be partly due to an increase in awareness and to what extent it is down to increased cases, I don't know. I'm hoping we get some updated training out of it because I have little idea who is behind it or what they predominantly using or exactly why. How much is targeted directly with a clear motive and how much is completely random? How many cases, in fact, are genuine cases where a substance has been administered because I regularly see the state some young people end up in on nights out purely through drink. Separating out these cases is really important so that some accuracy around actual incidents can be determined.
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