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Post by garry on Oct 25, 2021 12:04:12 GMT
How do you convince the public that you have a credible and coherent viewpoint? Perhaps you overwhelm them with evidence and logic. Perhaps you appeal to their higher values. …or you could just glue your head to the road!!!! Aristotle, Socrates and Plato must be lamenting the lack of superglue in their day.
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Post by johnc on Oct 25, 2021 12:20:46 GMT
Use a pneumatic drill to dig up the piece of road he has attached himself to, then send him off to jail for a month with a 2lb lump of tarmac attached to his head. See if he wants to do it again after that.
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 25, 2021 13:14:59 GMT
Or just kick him on the nuts repeatedly until he finds a way to unstick himself.
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Post by PG on Oct 25, 2021 15:34:17 GMT
I'd like to think that gluing your head to the pavement shows such a total disregard for your own well being that sectioning him under the metal health act would be a good thing. A few months in an institution might knock some sense into the pillock.
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Post by michael on Oct 25, 2021 15:46:36 GMT
Start publishing the costs of these actions to services.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 16:14:26 GMT
With a mug shot in the local rag.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 25, 2021 16:54:13 GMT
I'd like to think that gluing your head to the pavement shows such a total disregard for your own well being that sectioning him under the metal health act would be a good thing. It does seem a spectacularly silly thing to do. Only just short of that bloke who (IIRC) nailed his own balls to Red Square in the name of art.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 25, 2021 17:55:07 GMT
Just leave them. Put cones around them. Traffic lights, if needs be. Then leave the silly fuckers to get cold and wet.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Oct 25, 2021 17:55:28 GMT
Start publishing the costs of these actions to services. Better still, bill them.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 25, 2021 19:07:09 GMT
Only just short of that bloke who (IIRC) nailed his own balls to Red Square in the name of art. Yes, sorry about that. Hope it didn’t cause too much disruption.
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Post by Stuntman on Oct 25, 2021 20:40:55 GMT
Truth is the first casualty of war. And in a war, the first lie wins.
I love the idea of using a pneumatic drill to free them but not remove the tarmac from their head. And also the traffic cone idea. And the Mental Health Act idea.
Yes - basically mess up their lives in the way they are messing up the lives of some others.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 25, 2021 21:38:46 GMT
Truth is the first casualty of war. And in a war, the first lie wins. I love the idea of using a pneumatic drill to free them but not remove the tarmac from their head. And also the traffic cone idea. And the Mental Health Act idea.
Yes - basically mess up their lives in the way they are messing up the lives of some others. Not this. Mental Health wards are already over-subscribed with people suffering real, scary, life-threatening mental illness. Just let these fuckers wander around with a few pounds of tarmac glued to their heads - that'll do.
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Post by PG on Oct 26, 2021 11:31:05 GMT
... And the Mental Health Act idea.
Yes - basically mess up their lives in the way they are messing up the lives of some others. Not this. Mental Health wards are already over-subscribed with people suffering real, scary, life-threatening mental illness. Just let these fuckers wander around with a few pounds of tarmac glued to their heads - that'll do. Point duly noted. But what annoys me is that if I behaved like I was mad - say by repeatedly gluing myself to objects in the street at risk to my own safety - I would probably get sectioned under the mental health for my own safety. But as it is an "act of protest", they seem to get a free pass on stuff that would soon result in others getting a hard time. Although I see in the newspaper today that the High Court has granted a nationwide injunction that could get them into jail. Not for blocking the roads, that would be too simple. But for contempt of court. So basically if you piss off a judge you're screwed. Piss off everyone else and you're good.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 26, 2021 12:12:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 13:47:51 GMT
I thought fuel duty was a carbon tax, that and the 'road fund license' whatever it is this week.
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Post by Boxer6 on Oct 26, 2021 18:25:44 GMT
While she feels it's totally fine swanning off to Berlin "on a separate project". So, hypocrisy mixed into the looniness.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 26, 2021 19:13:52 GMT
Yes I read that and thought "Oh dear. Somebody pass Patsy the sedatives".
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Post by Stuntman on Oct 27, 2021 18:58:06 GMT
I might be a slightly dissenting voice when I say that the idea of rationing isn't that loony. It's certainly worthy of further discussion in my opinion.
For example - personally, I choose to sacrifice things like going on holiday so that I can own and run nice cars. So if the Government passed legislation which effectively made this a case of either nice cars or nice holidays, regardless of your financial means - I would continue to make this as a clear choice. For others, they may choose to spend more of their rationing points on holidays, or whatever, rather than on cars.
Of course, for this to work in practice would require an enormous amount of administrative infrastructure, data security and to eliminate the possibility of arbitrage or forced selling, or stealing or hacking of ration points. And ideally I would want to carry over any unused rations from one year to another. Or be able to offset them against income tax or something.
I do agree that Joanna Lumley appears guilty as charged when it comes to hypocrisy.
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Post by johnc on Oct 27, 2021 19:21:22 GMT
I might be a slightly dissenting voice when I say that the idea of rationing isn't that loony. It's certainly worthy of further discussion in my opinion. For example - personally, I choose to sacrifice things like going on holiday so that I can own and run nice cars. So if the Government passed legislation which effectively made this a case of either nice cars or nice holidays, regardless of your financial means - I would continue to make this as a clear choice. For others, they may choose to spend more of their rationing points on holidays, or whatever, rather than on cars. Of course, for this to work in practice would require an enormous amount of administrative infrastructure, data security and to eliminate the possibility of arbitrage or forced selling, or stealing or hacking of ration points. And ideally I would want to carry over any unused rations from one year to another. Or be able to offset them against income tax or something. I do agree that Joanna Lumley appears guilty as charged when it comes to hypocrisy. I certainly hope it doesn't get as far as rationing. I think there would be a distinct likelihood that those with money and resources would up sticks and leave the UK unless it was a world initiative and we would be in grave danger of backing ourselves into an economic and social black hole from which we may never emerge again. I can't see Martin taking too kindly to being told he can have his Range Rover or his holidays. As Stuntman alluded to, I also think the system would be far too complicated - how exactly would you factor in the amount of meat eaten or the amount of heat used in the home, especially for those who live in rural areas with coal fires or wood burners. This kind of thinking or even its mention is what makes me realise that Politicians really have no more idea about how to run the country than the average pub quiz team.
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Post by LandieMark on Oct 27, 2021 19:42:22 GMT
^^^ That. It is terrifying.
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Post by ChrisM on Oct 27, 2021 20:58:07 GMT
..... is what makes me realise that Politicians really have no more idea about how to run the country than the average pub quiz team. They have less idea; the average pub team at least has a very good idea of what is currently going on, and what the general consensus of opinion is; they are also more likely to engage in meaningful discussion about proposed changes before pushing them through, regardless
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Post by Martin on Oct 27, 2021 21:32:37 GMT
I might be a slightly dissenting voice when I say that the idea of rationing isn't that loony. It's certainly worthy of further discussion in my opinion. For example - personally, I choose to sacrifice things like going on holiday so that I can own and run nice cars. So if the Government passed legislation which effectively made this a case of either nice cars or nice holidays, regardless of your financial means - I would continue to make this as a clear choice. For others, they may choose to spend more of their rationing points on holidays, or whatever, rather than on cars. Of course, for this to work in practice would require an enormous amount of administrative infrastructure, data security and to eliminate the possibility of arbitrage or forced selling, or stealing or hacking of ration points. And ideally I would want to carry over any unused rations from one year to another. Or be able to offset them against income tax or something. I do agree that Joanna Lumley appears guilty as charged when it comes to hypocrisy. I certainly hope it doesn't get as far as rationing. I think there would be a distinct likelihood that those with money and resources would up sticks and leave the UK unless it was a world initiative and we would be in grave danger of backing ourselves into an economic and social black hole from which we may never emerge again. I can't see Martin taking too kindly to being told he can have his Range Rover or his holidays. As Stuntman alluded to, I also think the system would be far too complicated - how exactly would you factor in the amount of meat eaten or the amount of heat used in the home, especially for those who live in rural areas with coal fires or wood burners. This kind of thinking or even its mention is what makes me realise that Politicians really have no more idea about how to run the country than the average pub quiz team. No, I wouldn’t take kindly to that at all! Holidays are my number 1 priority/ expense but I wouldn’t want that to be at the expense of a nice car. It sounds impossible to put into practice thankfully.
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Post by chipbutty on Oct 28, 2021 6:27:36 GMT
While she feels it's totally fine swanning off to Berlin "on a separate project". So, hypocrisy mixed into the looniness.
Her life time carbon footprint must be of Elephantine proportions and equivalent to 5 or so lifetimes of the common or garden pleb she wants to ration. There is nothing worse than the ancient eco weenie who has enjoyed such a full life lecturing those less fortunate and suggesting their relatively meagre pleasures should be curtailed.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 28, 2021 7:56:38 GMT
I like Michael's idea of publishing the cost of these protests on a daily basis, perhaps a running total on the news, like Covid deaths, perhaps linking it to the number of nurses that could have been employed if the money wasn't diverted to policing costs. Add in the police taking longer to turn up to the sites of these protests so drivers can get 10 mins with them alone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 10:35:24 GMT
I know of at least one case where ambulances have been delayed and apparently one death, not sure when and where as a search revealed nothing but it was on the nooz (BBC). Perhaps charge the Miscreants with manslaughter and jail them for life?
"police taking longer to turn up to the sites of these protests so drivers can get 10 mins with them alone".
What sort of damage would be allowable? Broken arms and legs perhaps and delay the ambulance coming for them too.
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Post by Alex on Oct 29, 2021 18:41:34 GMT
While she feels it's totally fine swanning off to Berlin "on a separate project". So, hypocrisy mixed into the looniness. Her life time carbon footprint must be of Elephantine proportions and equivalent to 5 or so lifetimes of the common or garden pleb she wants to ration. There is nothing worse than the ancient eco weenie who has enjoyed such a full life lecturing those less fortunate and suggesting their relatively meagre pleasures should be curtailed. The trouble is that that's how western countries look when we try to tell developing nations to curb their growing use of fossil fuels. Why shouldn't they be allowed to burn coal for power when we were allowed to for a couple of hundred years before them? It's why I fear that very little will be achieved in Glasgow next week.
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Post by johnc on Nov 1, 2021 16:21:28 GMT
I fear that very little will be achieved in Glasgow next week.You are quite right - very little will be achieved in Glasgow for the next 3 weeks. Today they have closed another 3 major arterial roads and outside our office (5 miles from the city centre) the traffic is at a standstill. A client who was supposed to be here at 3.30 is nearly an hour late and is stuck in traffic which has only moved about a 1/4 mile in the last hour - I have told her just to try to get back home because at this rate she won't get here until about 6.30 if she's lucky. Whoever has decided on the road closures has done so to completely paralyse the traffic. Nothing on the North side of the city can move.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 1, 2021 16:28:08 GMT
Whoever has decided on the road closures has done so to completely paralyse the traffic. Nothing on the North side of the city can move. ”Whoever planned this mess must ‘ave planned a way out. Check all of the passenger names out of Malpensa.” Sorry, couldn’t resist.
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Post by Martin on Nov 1, 2021 18:45:47 GMT
You are quite right - very little will be achieved in Glasgow for the next 3 weeks. Today they have closed another 3 major arterial roads and outside our office (5 miles from the city centre) the traffic is at a standstill. A client who was supposed to be here at 3.30 is nearly an hour late and is stuck in traffic which has only moved about a 1/4 mile in the last hour - I have told her just to try to get back home because at this rate she won't get here until about 6.30 if she's lucky. Whoever has decided on the road closures has done so to completely paralyse the traffic. Nothing on the North side of the city can move. We've got stores to deliver to every day, we're clear on the restrictions and can get in, but the extra traffic isn't what you need when you're already tight on drivers,
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Post by Boxer6 on Nov 1, 2021 19:36:31 GMT
You are quite right - very little will be achieved in Glasgow for the next 3 weeks. Today they have closed another 3 major arterial roads and outside our office (5 miles from the city centre) the traffic is at a standstill. A client who was supposed to be here at 3.30 is nearly an hour late and is stuck in traffic which has only moved about a 1/4 mile in the last hour - I have told her just to try to get back home because at this rate she won't get here until about 6.30 if she's lucky. Whoever has decided on the road closures has done so to completely paralyse the traffic. Nothing on the North side of the city can move. I go into work pretty easily this morning, with only a few Black Rats holding up traffic on the roundabout at Robroyston for a few seconds while a convoy of 4 or 5 cars went through from the Park & Ride station!
My boss stays on Gt. Western Road near the retail park and was on before me, though I didn't speak to her today to see how early she left home! Another OT colleague was working from home today; she stays near Whiteinch, on Dumbarton Road, so her commute will be .. .. interesting, to say the least!!
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