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Post by ChrisM on Aug 26, 2021 14:20:19 GMT
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Post by Andy C on Aug 27, 2021 16:14:45 GMT
Its a bargain compared to a 205 GTi! Also, its done 100k not 200k. I wouldn't pay it, but thats what sought after cars are going for these days.
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Post by Boxer6 on Aug 27, 2021 16:51:42 GMT
I'm looking somewhat(but not that much really!) casually at new wheels, and went to have a look at a couple last night. One of them was a '66-plate Focus ST3, which was a bit gangstery (black paint, wheesls, dark privacy glass etc) but looked well looked after all the same.
Except .. .. .. there was a bit of door seal hanging down fromt he drivers door, and that was enough to put me right off the car! I'm sure it could be sorted pretty easily, but, well, you know .. .. ..
Good luck on your search Eff!
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Post by Eff One on Aug 27, 2021 22:44:36 GMT
Except .. .. .. there was a bit of door seal hanging down fromt he drivers door, and that was enough to put me right off the car! I'm sure it could be sorted pretty easily, but, well, you know .. .. .. Good luck on your search Eff! They All Do That, Sir. Our 63 plate Zetec has had its door seal glued back at least twice. Remiss of the ST3 owner to leave it in that state, it does look terrible and takes just a few minutes to fix. A Mk3.5 ST-3 would make a great used buy. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Aug 28, 2021 9:09:28 GMT
Except .. .. .. there was a bit of door seal hanging down fromt he drivers door, and that was enough to put me right off the car! I'm sure it could be sorted pretty easily, but, well, you know .. .. .. Good luck on your search Eff! They All Do That, Sir. Our 63 plate Zetec has had its door seal glued back at least twice. Remiss of the ST3 owner to leave it in that state, it does look terrible and takes just a few minutes to fix. A Mk3.5 ST-3 would make a great used buy. I was at a dealer, which to my mind is even worse! Main issue for me was it's a hatch, rather than an estate. Didn't bother asking for a look inside, but I fear the space for carting around model aeroplanes (safely) would be insufficient. |
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Post by Tim on Aug 31, 2021 8:32:55 GMT
I looked at an ST 3 and quite liked it although some of the interior was very plasticky.
A black one with silver alloys looks good.
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 31, 2021 20:06:20 GMT
i20N:
Allegedly under £25 grand new
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Post by Andy C on Aug 31, 2021 20:34:23 GMT
i20N: Allegedly under £25 grand new  I gotta say, after reading the reviews , and being able to get one for £22.5k , it would be at the top of my shortlist now . |
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Post by Martin on Aug 31, 2021 21:26:22 GMT
£22k through coast2coast cars or £23k with metallic and Bose. Really good value for money.
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Post by Eff One on Oct 2, 2021 15:31:05 GMT
Hmm. Prices are a bit challenging. My local dealer had a 15 plate GT86 - admittedly with only 10k miles - up for £19k. That's nearly 70% of list price for a six and a half year old car. There are a few more 2017 cars around the £20k mark than there were - though that still seems high to me. Wind forward to 2019 and there's nothing under £25k.
I'm waiting to see when the GR86 goes on sale.
The i20N is interesting and worthy of a closer look. From what I've read it runs the Fiesta close enough that the choice between them is largely a matter of taste. I don't like the looks but there are at least alternatives to the awful washed-out blue of the press cars.
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Post by Andy C on Oct 2, 2021 16:02:59 GMT
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Post by alf on Oct 12, 2021 10:47:15 GMT
Hmm. Prices are a bit challenging. My local dealer had a 15 plate GT86 - admittedly with only 10k miles - up for £19k. That's nearly 70% of list price for a six and a half year old car. There are a few more 2017 cars around the £20k mark than there were - though that still seems high to me. Wind forward to 2019 and there's nothing under £25k. I'm waiting to see when the GR86 goes on sale. The i20N is interesting and worthy of a closer look. From what I've read it runs the Fiesta close enough that the choice between them is largely a matter of taste. I don't like the looks but there are at least alternatives to the awful washed-out blue of the press cars. Bloody hell, that's more than a bit challenging. Retaining >50% after 3 years was until recently only possible with quite special, low volume cars. The worry currently is whether - when the OEM's truly turn the taps back on, and with flashy new EV's everywhere, many cars will retain their current inflated price levels very long... |
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Post by Martin on Oct 12, 2021 14:29:39 GMT
Hmm. Prices are a bit challenging. My local dealer had a 15 plate GT86 - admittedly with only 10k miles - up for £19k. That's nearly 70% of list price for a six and a half year old car. There are a few more 2017 cars around the £20k mark than there were - though that still seems high to me. Wind forward to 2019 and there's nothing under £25k. I'm waiting to see when the GR86 goes on sale. The i20N is interesting and worthy of a closer look. From what I've read it runs the Fiesta close enough that the choice between them is largely a matter of taste. I don't like the looks but there are at least alternatives to the awful washed-out blue of the press cars. Bloody hell, that's more than a bit challenging. Retaining >50% after 3 years was until recently only possible with quite special, low volume cars. The worry currently is whether - when the OEM's truly turn the taps back on, and with flashy new EV's everywhere, many cars will retain their current inflated price levels very long... Hopefully the inflated price won't last for too long, as it will just push up new prices and make trading up more expensive. Mine is 3 years old in 3 months and the current retail value is c73% of list price and trade is over 65%, pre used price madness I'd have expected it to be more like 50% (retail) |
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Post by johnc on Oct 12, 2021 15:06:57 GMT
Based on a WBAC valuation my car would "only" have cost me c£15K for 2 years and 8 months motoring. In M5 terms that is something of a bargain! However what would I buy instead and are ICE cars going to have any long term value after new ones stop being manufactured?
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Post by Martin on Oct 12, 2021 15:17:41 GMT
Based on a WBAC valuation my car would "only" have cost me c£15K for 2 years and 8 months motoring. In M5 terms that is something of a bargain! However what would I buy instead and are ICE cars going to have any long term value after new ones stop being manufactured? It helped that you got it for a great price, but that can't be far off half what you were expecting? I thought I was doing well with the Golf costing c£7k over a similar period but the M5 has cost less per month that I'd budgeted for the Golf! My car is c£6-7k up after 18 months, but doesn't mean anything as my requirements haven't changed and a newer one has gone up a similar %. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 13, 2021 14:01:06 GMT
Trade prices have gone up, but margins are increasing as well if Vertu Motors is anything to go by: (H1 2022 results)
The result was a £22.3m increase in gross profit generated from used vehicle sales compared to the same period in 2019, as gross profit per unit grew 42.4% to £1,679.
New car sales delivered a £0.7m increase in gross profit as gross profit per unit rose 20.2% on 2019 to £1,694.
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 14, 2021 8:51:02 GMT
A friend of mine was at the end of his PCP on a Discovery a year ago. He doesn’t do many miles so added a year. It’s now valued £11k more than last year.
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Post by Tim on Oct 14, 2021 12:17:54 GMT
Not long after we bought the Micra we decided it might've been a mistake and enquired about a trade-in against a Fiesta ST.
Nearly 3 years WBAC reckon it's worth £1000 more than we were offered as a part ex!
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Post by Eff One on Oct 29, 2021 10:49:03 GMT
The GR86 has gone on sale in Japan and the USA: www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/toyota-gr-86-buyers-offered-subaru-brz-test-drives-japanStill waiting on UK prices and availability but it undercuts the circuit pack GR Yaris by 17% in Japan, which points to a UK list price of around £29k for the posher model. Given the state of used prices and the dwindling opportunities to own a car like this, unless Toyota do something silly with the pricing, I'm going to put my name down for a GR86. |
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Post by johnc on Oct 29, 2021 11:51:39 GMT
How much power does the new engine put out?
I agree that this car is the last of its kind and we are unlikely to ever get the opportunity to buy anything like this new within a very few years.
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Post by Eff One on Oct 29, 2021 15:34:23 GMT
How much power does the new engine put out?. 232bhp and 184lb ft - up 15% and 20% respectively - and still only 1270kg. |
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Post by alf on Nov 5, 2021 14:31:55 GMT
That looks really nice! I was wondering if you had bought one yet, I noticed running near Thatcham the other day that CCS car sales (where we bought the 1 series Cab, a great car) has a couple of GT86 on the forecourt including one in full Castrol rallyalike colours: www.ccs-carsales.co.uk/used/Plenty to like on that link! |
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 5, 2021 19:34:26 GMT
That looks really nice! I was wondering if you had bought one yet, I noticed running near Thatcham the other day that CCS car sales (where we bought the 1 series Cab, a great car) has a couple of GT86 on the forecourt including one in full Castrol rallyalike colours: www.ccs-carsales.co.uk/used/Plenty to like on that link! They do like cars with black or dark grey wheels, don't they? Just reinforces my opinion that dark coloured wheels look really bad on most cars |
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Post by Eff One on Nov 15, 2021 9:41:39 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 15, 2021 10:11:31 GMT
Looks good and seems a nice step on from the old one. The only issue I had was at 6ft I struggled to get the seat far back enough in the old one to get comfortable lets hope they've remembered other nations apart form the Japanese need to fit in them too.
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Post by Andy C on Nov 16, 2021 9:40:54 GMT
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Post by Tim on Nov 16, 2021 13:58:21 GMT
I really like the sound (not engine sound, haven't heard that yet) of the new one. |
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Post by Eff One on Nov 18, 2021 14:25:02 GMT
There's a video on Autocar as well now. I must have hoovered up every bit of GR86 content on the internet - haven't been this excited about a new car since 2012, when the GT86/BRZ appeared.
I would have had one two years ago if COVID hadn't ground life to a halt and may yet if I can find one that isn't grotesquely overpriced.
But Toyota seem to be on a roll with their GR range. In the 86, they've apparently solved its two main issues - power delivery and interior quality, which is a bit low rent even for me in base GT86s - while making all the good bits even better.
European launch on 2 December. I'll be hovering by the configurator...
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Post by Eff One on Dec 10, 2021 12:24:11 GMT
Urgh. No prices, specs or orders until the spring, deliveries 'first half of 22' at the earliest. I'm getting impatient.
Meanwhile, back to scouring AT for used '86s and especially Mica blue BRZs...
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Post by alf on Dec 10, 2021 12:34:23 GMT
Urgh. No prices, specs or orders until the spring, deliveries 'first half of 22' at the earliest. I'm getting impatient. Meanwhile, back to scouring AT for used '86s and especially Mica blue BRZs... If that place in Thatcham I linked to previously has anything of interest, let me know as I'll happily look it over with you and give you a spin in whichever of the fleet you are most interested in (I still feel the Jag is more exotic but it gets 1% the general interest of the Boxster!). They always seem to have a few and the child in me liked the race branded one......... |
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