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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 15:41:19 GMT
I think they mean the main hull plates rather than armour plates but either way it will be a big job. Anyone see any of our old warships getting this sort of attention?
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 6, 2021 20:27:11 GMT
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HMS Victory;
The Mary Rose
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 6, 2021 21:40:04 GMT
^ HMS Victory; The Mary Rose They're historic though, rather than simply old. I suspect that makes a big difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 23:15:23 GMT
Well Victory is rather older, as is the Mary Rose. Anything remotely large gets scrapped. The navy is hardly sentimenta; about these things. Do we have HMS Dreadnoght? There is also HMS Warrior too but again it's rather older and hardly a USS Texas,
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 7, 2021 5:18:17 GMT
Well Victory is rather older, as is the Mary Rose. Anything remotely large gets scrapped. The navy is hardly sentimenta; about these things. Do we have HMS Dreadnoght? There is also HMS Warrior too but again it's rather older and hardly a USS Texas, HMS Belfast? |
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Post by Boxer6 on Jul 7, 2021 6:26:40 GMT
Well Victory is rather older, as is the Mary Rose. Anything remotely large gets scrapped. The navy is hardly sentimenta; about these things. Do we have HMS Dreadnoght? There is also HMS Warrior too but again it's rather older and hardly a USS Texas, HMS Belfast? How could we forget that? In my defence, I've never been in London long enought to "do the sights"; not sure if that will ever change now, given my deep and utter loathing for cities these days.
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Post by Tim on Jul 7, 2021 7:37:53 GMT
What's the First World War Q Ship that's moored on the Thames? I remember it has a full 'dazzle' paint scheme. HMS President? There's also a similarly aged destroyer or cruiser moored in Belfast. Also not to forget a fleet of retired rusting nuclear subs lurking around at Rosyth, they may not be getting restored but they are maintained to a degree. EDIT There's a mini-sub on display at Duxford. Does the Royal Yacht Britannia count? I'm also not sure how I forgot this but in addition to RRS Discovery (which I can almost see from the office window when I'm in) Dundee is also host to HMS Unicorn which is a bit of a heap but now appears to be getting restored www.frigateunicorn.org/ |
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 7, 2021 17:58:59 GMT
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The Unicorn is fascinating, been on board at least twice. I've been on RRS Discovery a few more times than that too
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 7, 2021 18:32:50 GMT
The Australian National Maritime Museum in Sydney is well worth a visit for the tour of HMAS Vampire and the submarine HMAS Onslow. It’s unbelievable how so many men lived for weeks in such a small space.
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Post by Tim on Jul 8, 2021 8:17:27 GMT
The Australian National Maritime Museum in Sydney is well worth a visit for the tour of HMAS Vampire and the submarine HMAS Onslow. It’s unbelievable how so many men lived for weeks in such a small space. You should go on the Discovery in Dundee. The officers quarters are wood panelled luxury - just what you really need when you're on a small boat (Russian oligarchs would use something this size as a tender to their yacht) heading to the frozen wastes for months on end. There's even a large dining area |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 9:56:49 GMT
We have zero large ships as museums, HMS Vanguard was state of the art when she was scrapped after only a few years service. Would have made a great museum/cadet/recruit training ship. I know HMS Victory is still the flagship.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jul 8, 2021 10:20:03 GMT
We have zero large ships as museums, HMS Vanguard was state of the art when she was scrapped after only a few years service. Would have made a great museum/cadet/recruit training ship. I know HMS Victory is still the flagship. Am I missing something with the 12000 ton large cruiser HMS Belfast museum ship on the Thames? |
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Post by PG on Jul 8, 2021 10:20:22 GMT
MHS Belfast is probably the biggest modern ship as a museum. Well worth a visit.
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Post by Tim on Jul 8, 2021 11:58:39 GMT
The Yanks have a variety of modern(ish) ships as museums.
There's an aircraft carrier - Intrepid - parked up in New York and it's host to an aircraft museum as well as just the ship.
In fact it appears to have a Concorde on board as well as an SR-71 plus the usual Navy stuff.
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Post by Martin on Jul 8, 2021 13:32:23 GMT
The Yanks have a variety of modern(ish) ships as museums. There's an aircraft carrier - Intrepid - parked up in New York and it's host to an aircraft museum as well as just the ship. In fact it appears to have a Concorde on board as well as an SR-71 plus the usual Navy stuff. It does have a Concorde and I think it’s got a Space shuttle on there as well. We wanted to visit when we were in NY but it was closed for a reason I can’t remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 14:54:15 GMT
Frigates can be between 7 and 9 thousand tonnes. Vanguard is a proper BIG ship.
Profile view of Vanguard underway
Class overview
Operators Royal Navy
Preceded by • Lion class (planned)
• King George V class (actual)
Succeeded by None
Built 1940–1946
In commission 1946–1960
Completed 1
Scrapped 1
History
United Kingdom
Name Vanguard
Ordered 14 March 1941
Builder John Brown and Company, Clydebank, Scotland
Cost £11,530,503
Yard number 567
Laid down 2 October 1941
Launched 30 November 1944
Commissioned 12 May 1946
Decommissioned 7 June 1960
Identification Pennant number: 23[1]
Motto We Lead[2]
Fate Scrapped, 1960
Badge On a field blue, issuing from barry of four white and green a demi-lion gold supporting a spear issuing white[2]
General characteristics (as completed)
Type Fast battleship
Displacement • 44,500 long tons (45,200 t) (standard)
• 51,420 long tons (52,250 t) (deep load)
Length 814 ft 4 in (248.2 m) (o/a)
Beam 108 ft (32.9 m)
Draught 36 ft (11 m) (deep load)
Installed power • 130,000 shp (97,000 kW)
• 8 Admiralty 3-drum boilers
Propulsion 4 shafts; 4 steam turbine sets
Speed 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph)
Range 8,250 nautical miles (15,280 km; 9,490 mi) at 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph)
Complement 1,975
Sensors and
processing systems • 1 × Type 960 early-warning radar
• 1 × Type 293 search radar
• 1 × Type 277 height-finding radar
• 2 × Type 274 15-inch fire-control radar
• 4 × Type 275 5.25-inch fire-control radar
• 11 × Type 262 40 mm fire-control radar
Armament • 4 × twin 15 in (380 mm) guns
• 8 × twin 5.25 in (133 mm) dual-purpose guns
• 10 × sextuple, 1 × twin, 11 × single 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors AA guns
Armour • Belt: 4.5–14 in (114–356 mm)
• Deck: 2.5–6 in (64–152 mm)
• Barbettes: 11–13 in (279–330 mm)
• Gun turrets: 7–13 in (178–330 mm)
• Conning tower: 2–3 in (51–76 mm)
• Bulkheads: 4–12 in (102–305 mm)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 17:58:49 GMT
In case it is of interest, an earlier HMS Vanguard still sits on the bottom of Scapa Flow. There is a decent wreck survey. Apparently the loss was caused by a catastrophic explosion on board as in the Jutland losses.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 8, 2021 19:06:40 GMT
The Yanks have a variety of modern(ish) ships as museums. There's an aircraft carrier - Intrepid - parked up in New York and it's host to an aircraft museum as well as just the ship. In fact it appears to have a Concorde on board as well as an SR-71 plus the usual Navy stuff. It does have a Concorde and I think it’s got a Space shuttle on there as well. We wanted to visit when we were in NY but it was closed for a reason I can’t remember. It does indeed have a Space Shuttle as well as a Concorde  When did you visit - end of 2006 or 2007? It was closed for a long time for a total refurbishment. Concorde used to be on a barge but was moved onto the pier. Also they towed Intrepid away to be refurbished somewhere else but she was stuck in the silt and it took considerable effort to pull her away from the Pier. If you search YouTube you can see videos of the Space Shuttle being flown into (IIRC) JFK then transferred onto a barge to be taken round to the Intrepid Museum  |
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 8, 2021 19:26:21 GMT
You should go on the Discovery in Dundee. The officers quarters are wood panelled luxury - just what you really need when you're on a small boat (Russian oligarchs would use something this size as a tender to their yacht) heading to the frozen wastes for months on end. There's even a large dining area  |
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Post by Tim on Jul 9, 2021 8:25:23 GMT
Dodgy geezer alert!! Give me a shout if you're up again Chris. That's less than 5 minutes walk from my office - including going down 4 flights of stairs  |
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Post by PG on Jul 9, 2021 13:45:46 GMT
Intrepid in NYC has changed a lot since we went in 1996. Was still an amazing visit back then. They had an SR71 sply plane on the main deck - is that still there?
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Post by Tim on Jul 9, 2021 13:56:55 GMT
It appears to be an A-12 that they have, the predecessor to the SR-71.
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Post by Martin on Jul 9, 2021 14:01:48 GMT
It appears to be an A-12 that they have, the predecessor to the SR-71. So you've got more than one anorak!  |
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Post by Tim on Jul 9, 2021 14:08:37 GMT
Nobody needs more than 1 anorak.
Google was my friend, although I did know what an A-12 was. Didn't know that's what was aboard Intrepid though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 14:30:06 GMT
No anorak but the AF-12 was initially designed as an interceptor and recce aircraft. the idea was to fire nuclear warheads into groups of soviet bombers and take out a squadron with one hit. The cost over run of the Vietnam war ended the project. Not too sure if the Canucks were aware of bothered that their soil would be irradiated.
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Post by ChrisM on Jul 9, 2021 19:11:19 GMT
It appears to be an A-12 that they have, the predecessor to the SR-71. Hopefully a "spotter" can tell us what it is.....  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 23:40:54 GMT
The aircraft is an A(F)-12 from project Boxcart and is airframe number 60-6925. It was the second airframe from the original project Boxcart builds. You can tell the difference in the chine on the forward fuselage as it does not extend to the extreme front of the nose cone. The frames were altered to fit the radar for AAM's.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 0:01:38 GMT
Having looked again, the recce mods look to have returned this aircraft closer to the final SR-71 final spec.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 22:14:23 GMT
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