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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 0:33:24 GMT
Well he did a great job and then the bastard virus took him off.
He was a source of inspiration for many and an example as to how to be positive and live for the day.
RIP.
More than the sum of the parts of any human being.
For the Fallen
Robert Laurence Binyon, by artist William Strang. (1) Laurence Binyon
Poem by Robert Laurence Binyon (1869-1943), published in The Times newspaper on 21 September 1914.
With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.
Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres.
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.
They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
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Post by PG on Feb 3, 2021 13:31:07 GMT
He was an inspirational figure that's for sure. And I'm glad he got his knighthood. Far more deserved than the civil servants who will get theirs for doing nothing except for turning up for work for example.
I read that he'd been having treatment for prostate and skin cancer and was already suffering from pneumonia before he finally got Covid. And it looks like he got that in hospital (like a big percentage of cases it seems) as his last test before he went in for pneumonia was clear.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 3, 2021 13:38:05 GMT
RIP. He was just back from a holiday in the Caribbean so returning to this damp isle won’t have helped.
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Post by michael on Feb 3, 2021 14:23:27 GMT
He tested negative for COVID before going into the care of the NHS.
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 3, 2021 15:47:41 GMT
He tested negative for COVID before going into the care of the NHShospital. Come on - let's not politicise this too. It's obvious that going into hospital puts you at risk of catching Covid - we are all told to take extra care to avoid doing anything which could result in a hospital visit at the moment. Moreover, I gather he had a respiratory disease (pneumonia) before going into hospital which cannot have helped. He was 100, and thanks to one original and inspired act, he absolutely smashed it out of the park for the last year of his life and we should be delighted for him about that. Celebrate what he achieved. Good on him. But am I sad? Good heavens no. No more than I am about the death of any centenarian I'm not related to. At that age, death cannot be tragic or necessarily cause for finding fault or blame. |
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Post by michael on Feb 3, 2021 16:11:53 GMT
He's politicised by left, right and centre with the claim he was raising money for the NHS - he wasn't it was for NHS charities.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 3, 2021 16:22:00 GMT
I was more surprised to hear (in the background as I wasn't watching) that in a Piers Morgan (spit) interview it transpired that he was married for 20 years to his first wife in an unconsummated marriage.
What the actual fuck? (or not as the case was).
R.I.P. anyway. He actually had a pretty interesting life before this past year, including an appearance on Blankety Blank in the early '80s.
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Post by LandieMark on Feb 3, 2021 16:32:37 GMT
He was 100, and thanks to one original and inspired act, he absolutely smashed it out of the park for the last year of his life and we should be delighted for him about that. Celebrate what he achieved. Good on him. But am I sad? Good heavens no. No more than I am about the death of any centenarian I'm not related to. At that age, death cannot be tragic or necessarily cause for finding fault or blame. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I didn't want to appear harsh. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 16:55:27 GMT
To be fair, he had a good innings and seemed content in and of himself. I am glad he got the recognition though, it was more than merited.
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 3, 2021 17:11:43 GMT
He was 100, and thanks to one original and inspired act, he absolutely smashed it out of the park for the last year of his life and we should be delighted for him about that. Celebrate what he achieved. Good on him. But am I sad? Good heavens no. No more than I am about the death of any centenarian I'm not related to. At that age, death cannot be tragic or necessarily cause for finding fault or blame. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I didn't want to appear harsh. Looking at it on a personal family basis my 80yo mother is forever reminding us to look after ourselves in the pandemic and not to worry about her as she's had a pretty fabulous life if she dies (speaking to her on FaceTime last night she looks like she has at least a decade to go) |
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Post by PG on Feb 3, 2021 17:18:36 GMT
Like others, I'm not sad. 100 is a bloody good age. Just best we celebrate what he did and remember that.
Perhaps we are all a bit different to other people? I think when somebody goes at a good age, we should celebrate their life, not wallow in their death.
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Post by Roadsterstu on Feb 3, 2021 19:26:55 GMT
It seemed pretty clear he was only a few days away from the inevitable when it was announced he was in hospital with pneumonia. He was a good old age though and he certainly went out on a high note. Well done that man!
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Post by Alex on Feb 3, 2021 20:59:02 GMT
I can understand not being sad about a centegenarian to whom you have no relationship with but equally I can see how a lot of people are upset by his passing. He was to many a beacon of hope over the last year so there is inevitably a sense of loss seeing him being taken out by the virus that his story was helping us to beat. You are right that the passing of someone who went beyond the point of a good innings 20 years ago is not a tragedy, merely the natural way of things and I cant criticise anyone who holds such a view, but the passing of Sir Tom is a tragedy given what he meant to people. It's like when a mega pop star dies. Most of us couldn't give a flying fuck but for hoards of screaming teenage girls it's the end of the world.
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Post by Stuntman on Feb 3, 2021 22:07:53 GMT
"Very old man dies". Shock news!  A good life, well lived. Apart from the 20 year unconsummated marriage bit, obvs. Did anyone clap? Thankfully I was still at work. I find it slightly insulting to be encouraged to clap at a specific time on a specific date because a (definitely inspirational, definitely very nice, definitely very dignified, but still) very old man has died. |
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Post by Stuntman on Feb 3, 2021 22:10:22 GMT
I can understand not being sad about a centegenarian to whom you have no relationship with but equally I can see how a lot of people are upset by his passing. He was to many a beacon of hope over the last year so there is inevitably a sense of loss seeing him being taken out by the virus that his story was helping us to beat. You are right that the passing of someone who went beyond the point of a good innings 20 years ago is not a tragedy, merely the natural way of things and I cant criticise anyone who holds such a view, but the passing of Sir Tom is a tragedy given what he meant to people. It's like when a mega pop star dies. Most of us couldn't give a flying fuck but for hoards of screaming teenage girls it's the end of the world. I wouldn't fancy your chances if you had to try and prove that in a court of law |
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Post by Big Blue on Feb 3, 2021 22:27:27 GMT
"vs. Did anyone clap? Thankfully I was still at work. I find it slightly insulting to be encouraged to clap at a specific time on a specific date because a (definitely inspirational, definitely very nice, definitely very dignified, but still) very old man has died. Fortunately I was on a Zoom call with the Royal Observatory, Edinburgh looking at images from a space telescope with my eldest daughter. Having spent several hours on Teams it's great to go straight on Zoom after work...... |
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Post by Blarno on Feb 4, 2021 10:00:43 GMT
I was in the car on the way home when the forced clapping was initiated. Good innings for the old boy as well, he must have had balls like watermelons in that first marriage. Anyway, does anyone need a zimmer frame? Low mileage, only done 100 laps. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 4, 2021 10:19:18 GMT
I was sad when I heard he’d passed. It would have cheered me up if they said he’d gone out surrounded by hookers and blow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 10:57:51 GMT
Blowing hookers? Whatever next......
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 4, 2021 11:11:44 GMT
Did anyone clap? Thankfully I was still at work. I find it slightly insulting to be encouraged to clap at a specific time on a specific date because a (definitely inspirational, definitely very nice, definitely very dignified, but still) very old man has died. No, not around here at any rate. I think it was probably a bit short notice. We left the house at 6pm to go for a walk and my wife said "aren't we supposed to be clapping? I can't see or hear any clapping". My reply was "clapping for what?" as I had genuinely missed the call to clap. Probably because it came from Boris and my attention span these days when he speaks is non-existent. |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 4, 2021 11:12:56 GMT
He's politicised by left, right and centre with the claim he was raising money for the NHS - he wasn't it was for NHS charities. Rightly or wrongly, that's a distinction entirely lost on me and therefore probably lost on the majority. |
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Post by michael on Feb 4, 2021 11:16:23 GMT
He's politicised by left, right and centre with the claim he was raising money for the NHS - he wasn't it was for NHS charities. Rightly or wrongly, that's a distinction entirely lost on me and therefore probably lost on the majority. Yes I'd agree. Which is why everybody thought that he was raising money for the NHS. It feeds into the NHS is underfunded narrative, not the money is wasted narrative. |
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Post by Eff One on Feb 4, 2021 11:32:23 GMT
Lots around here did, along with a lot of hooting and ringing of what sounded like cowbells. I was out running and initially had no idea what was going on. |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 4, 2021 11:32:25 GMT
That the NHS is a vastly inefficient bureaucracy from a funding point of view is surely indisputable in my view. The issue comes when people use that as an excuse to argue against the very notion of it. Privatising healthcare is not the right solution to that inefficiency in my book.
I noticed last year, and an unlucky colleague recently confirmed she had the same experience lately, that counterintuitively I got much, much quicker medical attention via my GP and the NHS than would have been possible via my private healthcare provider. So private is not necessarily better. But is necessarily more expensive.
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Post by michael on Feb 4, 2021 11:38:13 GMT
That the NHS is a vastly inefficient bureaucracy from a funding point of view is surely indisputable in my view. The issue comes when people use that as an excuse to argue against the very notion of it. Privatising healthcare is not the right solution to that inefficiency in my book. I noticed last year, and an unlucky colleague recently confirmed she had the same experience lately, that counterintuitively I got much, much quicker medical attention via my GP and the NHS than would have been possible via my private healthcare provider. So private is not necessarily better. But is necessarily more expensive. You're falling into the trap of thinking privatisation means the US model, it doesn't. My preferred model would be that of pretty much any other developed European country which is an state backed mandatory insurance model remaining free a the point of use and with better health outcomes.
The public perception is the NHS is underfunded. It guzzles a billion every three days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 11:45:58 GMT
The nhs is not underfunded, it is run in an inefficient manner, wasting millions every year and it has interest groups within it who contribute more than is obvious to that. There needs to be a definite management structure where doctors do as they are told. Proper health care does not and should not be something payed for by another insurance type arrangement. Basic life care should be free and as far as plastic surgery goes, it should be private unless it is certifiably an accident. Cancer care, free etc. People who get liver and heart transplant, found to continue smoking and drinking etc should be fined or not given the organ replacement. Proper care contributes to the economy rather than taking but the other stuff, like arse and face surgery to look like some pissant on the box? That has to go.
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Post by garry on Feb 4, 2021 11:46:22 GMT
Rightly or wrongly, that's a distinction entirely lost on me and therefore probably lost on the majority. Yes I'd agree. Which is why everybody thought that he was raising money for the NHS. It feeds into the NHS is underfunded narrative, not the money is wasted narrative. If the 30 million he raised had gone directly into the nhs it would have fed the beast a couple of hours at best. |
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Post by racingteatray on Feb 4, 2021 12:09:09 GMT
Proper care contributes to the economy rather than taking but the other stuff, like arse and face surgery to look like some pissant on the box? That has to go. I'd be a bit surprised though (and maybe I will be) if that turns out to be the major source (or even a statistically significant source) of NHS overspending?? Sounds mostly like tabloid rabble-rousing to me. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Feb 4, 2021 12:16:09 GMT
On a side note, saw the S*n headline earlier which was that BawJaws says what we need now is a statue for SirTom. Really?!?!?!  |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Feb 4, 2021 14:01:18 GMT
On a side note, saw the S*n headline earlier which was that BawJaws says what we need now is a statue for SirTom. Really?!?!?! I was thinking the same the other day. What about that empty plinth in Trafalgar Sq.? |
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