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Post by garry on Jan 20, 2021 14:36:54 GMT
Mentioned before but I've been wondering what to do with the Porsche. I'm now down to four options:
1. New 992
2. New Boxster GTS
3. Keep the 991
4. Circa 2015 Ferrari California T
We've endlessly discussed the first three options. Of those, if I had to decide today it would be the Boxster GTS. But I've been doing some looking around and I think a California would be a good fit for me - whatever I choose will not do many miles and I've just bought a separate garage from my neighbor so it could have it's own little palace. I guess it would fulfill an ambition whilst I'm still just about young enough to enjoy it (53 next!). Does anyone have any experience of Ferrari ownership? Are they nightmare prima donnas to run? Will it be ruinously expensive? What's depreciation going to be like - they seem to be 'cheap' for Ferraris but does that mean they've got some distance to go in depreciation? Is this nuts?
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 20, 2021 14:49:01 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 20, 2021 15:01:19 GMT
1. Not a fan of the 992 looks so that would be out
2. Good choice but seems at odds given the other cars on the list, probably the best "drivers" car
3. Probably a good idea as values aren't going to go down much further in the short term.
4. Always seems like the Ferrari people buy who don't want a Ferrari. If I was to drop 100k into a Ferrari I'd be tempted by a 599 and a fund to keep it running.
Ferraris don't have to be ruinous to run, Ferrari can put a warranty on the car if it goes through its inspection and they have cheaper servicing plans for older cars.
What the intended use of the new car, are you a get up at 5 in the morning and go for a blast, are using it on track or is it to cruise around in for weekends away.
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Post by garry on Jan 20, 2021 15:34:13 GMT
1. Not a fan of the 992 looks so that would be out 2. Good choice but seems at odds given the other cars on the list, probably the best "drivers" car 3. Probably a good idea as values aren't going to go down much further in the short term. 4. Always seems like the Ferrari people buy who don't want a Ferrari. If I was to drop 100k into a Ferrari I'd be tempted by a 599 and a fund to keep it running. Ferraris don't have to be ruinous to run, Ferrari can put a warranty on the car if it goes through its inspection and they have cheaper servicing plans for older cars. What the intended use of the new car, are you a get up at 5 in the morning and go for a blast, are using it on track or is it to cruise around in for weekends away. Intended use is not track. Morning backroad blast and weekend cruise sums up my driving. I would not want anything that was more hardcore than my 911 |
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Post by Tim on Jan 20, 2021 17:08:12 GMT
I don't think the early ones got a very good write-up for being quite soft and unfocused but assume that's relative to something a bit more hard charging and, not to forget, being driven by a 'hand' rather than a mere mortal.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 20, 2021 17:16:46 GMT
Morning backroad blast and weekend cruise. BMW S1000RR based on that usage. Sub 6s 0-100mph, Active suspension, cruise control, semi-auto box....... heated grips. They get stolen a lot, though. |
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Post by johnc on Jan 20, 2021 17:22:00 GMT
A friend of mine had one for a long weekend a few years ago and took me out in it. I was impressed. It was relatively comfortable and was anything but slow. The sound was also spine tingling. I can't say I have much experience of Ferrari and it might not tick all the aficionado's boxes but I thought it was an event to be in it, probably more so that any 911 I have been in. It had a few traction issues on the damp day we were out but that adds to the experience although point to point I think a 911 would be faster.
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Post by Martin on Jan 20, 2021 18:27:04 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 20, 2021 19:14:36 GMT
You know when you've been tango'd...
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Post by johnc on Jan 20, 2021 19:18:24 GMT
What's a fair price for a McLaren 600lt?
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Post by Martin on Jan 20, 2021 19:26:01 GMT
What's a fair price for a McLaren 600lt? We’ll find out what the market thinks in 5min, but £130k? |
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Post by michael on Jan 20, 2021 19:31:41 GMT
You know when you've been tango'd... It’s been a day for it! |
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Post by Martin on Jan 20, 2021 19:43:51 GMT
What's a fair price for a McLaren 600lt? We’ll find out what the market thinks in 5min, but £130k? So the answer is £122,500 |
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Post by johnc on Jan 20, 2021 19:48:58 GMT
We’ll find out what the market thinks in 5min, but £130k? So the answer is £122,500 + a 6% buyer's fee |
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Post by Martin on Jan 20, 2021 20:03:37 GMT
So the answer is £122,500 + a 6% buyer's fee So I was pretty much spot on then! |
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Post by Andy C on Jan 20, 2021 20:23:07 GMT
California is a bit ..meh
I'd go for the Boxster, or a Mclaren
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 20, 2021 20:50:37 GMT
An open top McLaren 570S would be up there
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Post by Stuntman on Jan 20, 2021 21:16:48 GMT
If you want to say you have owned a Ferrari, the California is probably an itch for you to scratch.
Me? I wouldn't swap an 991 for a California and if I wanted a Ferrari I'd either go for a mid engined V8 (430 or later), or Ed's suggestion of a 599, or even a 550 or 575 Maranello.
A lightly used 600LT for circa £130k would be massively tempting if funds permitted, and a very lightly used 570S for about the same price as a well-specced Boxster GTS 4.0 would be an exceptionally compelling proposition.
EDIT: a 600LT is pretty hardcore and I suspect that while perfectly usable as a daily, a 570s is probably a fair bit more hardcore than a non-GT 911.
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Post by michael on Jan 20, 2021 21:29:37 GMT
If you’re after comfort and occasion would an Aston Martin do the job? I’m commenting as someone who looks at the pictures of these cars and zero experience of them.
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Post by chipbutty on Jan 20, 2021 21:38:55 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jan 21, 2021 11:55:36 GMT
The McLaren looks tempting from the point of view of someone who isn't actually buying one merely advising someone else to. All reports seem to suggest they are ruinously expensive to own and run. Hopefully that's improving. This YouTuber did a recent series on mid engined Ferraris and does himself own a 550 Marenello so might be worth a watch, not sure if he's done a California video though:
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 21, 2021 12:00:46 GMT
My view on Ferraris is that; if you can afford to buy one brand new and run it then looking at secondhand ones should not really be a cause for financial worry. If you are looking at secondhand ones because you can't afford a new one then you probably can't afford to run a secondhand one.
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Post by Alex on Jan 21, 2021 12:02:04 GMT
That could apply to any supercar or indeed high end executive car.
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Post by Martin on Jan 21, 2021 12:58:00 GMT
That could apply to any supercar or indeed high end executive car. It does. But, excluding depreciation, it's cheaper to run a new Ferrari/McLaren than a used one, because they are under warranty and if you buy a new Ferrari now, it will have a 4 year warranty and 7 year servicing pack included and having to replace consumables like brakes will be further into the future. A used McLaren does look like a relative bargain, but when you look at the servicing cost and £4k+ annual warranty, they quickly become very expensive again. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Jan 21, 2021 13:11:23 GMT
That could apply to any supercar or indeed high end executive car. I wouldn't place Porsche in that bracket, or most Japanese sports cars. Italian supercars just seem to have a fragility beyond what is the norm for the category. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 21, 2021 14:22:21 GMT
I've no desire for any of these high-end things but if pushed I'd plump for a Ferrari of some sort before a Lambo or McLaren. The latter leave me cold and Lambos are just Instagram shit now (possibly).
I used to detest Ferraris but not quite so much now
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Post by racingteatray on Jan 21, 2021 20:54:46 GMT
My view on Ferraris is that; if you can afford to buy one brand new and run it then looking at secondhand ones should not really be a cause for financial worry. If you are looking at secondhand ones because you can't afford a new one then you probably can't afford to run a secondhand one. I read about the bills on this one with your words ringing in my ears... themarket.co.uk/listings/ferrari/f355-f1-berlinetta/7e42f332-3591-4cc1-9940-e4bb4b75a7b9 |
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 21, 2021 20:58:25 GMT
The McLaren looks tempting from the point of view of someone who isn't actually buying one merely advising someone else to. All reports seem to suggest they are ruinously expensive to own and run. Hopefully that's improving. This YouTuber did a recent series on mid engined Ferraris and does himself own a 550 Marenello so might be worth a watch, not sure if he's done a California video though: AV Engineering....... round these parts, that used to be part of Alder Valley Bus Garages. They realised that they had spare capacity in their maintenance depot so started bidding for independent engineering contracts..... under the name of "AV Engineering" |
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Post by LandieMark on Jan 21, 2021 21:22:59 GMT
I don't mind the California. Think I would still prefer a 355.
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Post by PetrolEd on Jan 21, 2021 22:07:52 GMT
You don’t need to have the money to buy a new Ferrari/McLaren to run an old one. Many people happily run V8 models for 2k a year in maintenance. Some years are a lot less and some you’ll need 5k or 10k if unlucky. Depreciation on 488 in its first year would be 50-100k depending how mad you’d go With the options.
Avoid cars that need engine out for basic servicing like the 355. I understand the 360 and F430 are a lot cheaper to run and a Cali shouldn’t be a risk if you can get it under warranty.
If your half interested in a McLaren then look on the owners site on pistonheads. Plenty of people running things like a 650s or 570 for not huge amounts. Specialists like Thorney motorsport offer their own warranties for under 3 grand a year. I know it’s not Porsche running costs but your into a different league
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