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Post by Blarno on Dec 4, 2020 17:02:48 GMT
I thought it was no jeans and t shirts without collars? Riding a bike has no restrictions on what you can or can't wear, beyond having to wear a helmet at certain locations, which is common sense really. Has it not? That doesn't seem to be the case when you watch the Tour de France or any mountain biking event. Mrs Sacamano used to work for Fox Racing and their riders used to have allsorts of specialist clothing. The lads that pass me on their Mountain bikes on the trails in the hills all seem pretty well kitted up with team shirts and shorts etc. You can wear whatever you like at driving ranges and pitch and putt but most courses would bar jeans and t shirts. Then again, you can buy a suitable polo shirt and trousers for £15 all in - about what you'd pay for a cycle inner tube. You don't have to wear all the specialist stuff, it's a choice. Sadly, most MTBers seem to think it's mandatory to wear all the gear when it really isn't necessary - you certainly won't be stopped from entering a trail centre or forest for not wearing the "correct" clobber. It makes me laugh the amount of people I see when out and about, wearing several hundred quids worth of team jersey and shorts and there's me in Primark cargo shorts and a hoodie, doing exactly what they do with no restrictions for less than £20. The only restrictions, and this is usually only at pretty extreme places, are that you wear a helmet. And if you're out on a bike without one, you are one.
I also don't know where you buy your inner tubes if you're paying £15!
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Post by PG on Dec 4, 2020 18:27:53 GMT
I do hope that golf clubs and courses are becoming more welcoming in both their attire demands and general approach. I played a bit in my twenties (1980's) and back then, pretty much every club had stringent dress codes on and off the course and most even had some daft rules about who could play at what time. For example at Epsom Downs (where I was a member for a few years), if I wanted to go round with my mum (also a member) we had to wait until after 11am on certain days. WTAF?
The other big no-no at many clubs was getting changed in the car park. And I don't mean strippig off to your boxers. I mean putting on your golf shoes.
At one club in Yorkshire when I played as a green fee with a friend who was a member, the secretary raced across several holes to berate me for wearing jeans (they were blue chinos) and said that unless I went round with my waterproof overtrousers on he'd tear up my green fee. It was the middle of summer FFS.
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Post by Andy C on Dec 4, 2020 18:40:13 GMT
Luckily the courses I play have none of that. They give you plastic cups to put your beers in for when going round and the clubhouse atmosphere is like a decent boozer.
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 4, 2020 18:47:48 GMT
Well to compare someone to any sort of club secretary (but particularly a golf club secretary) has never been a compliment!
It just conjures up images of officious martinets in gold-buttoned blazers and regimental-style ties, whose minds are as narrow as their bottoms are broad, and who slip effortlessly from beaming bonhomie to haughty froideur and back again depending on who is in front of them.
Not my sort of person at all. I cordially loathe the secretary of my club in St James, who I think is a thoroughly ghastly man.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 4, 2020 20:21:39 GMT
Dress code. A bete noir of mine.
The RAC has had a dress code as long as it’s been in existence. It has been vastly relaxed in the time I’ve been a member but STILL every single edition of the magazine includes a letter from some arsehole complaining about it. It was there when you joined: what’s the problem?
The worst thing though was the change of dress code to the Turkish baths - to insist upon swimwear. I was fuming and had to rewrite my own letter several times to avoid a summons before the house committee. In the rest of Europe wearing clothing in saunas and steam rooms is banned yet a few cunts complain and we’re not allowed. When I say a few I mean a few: I’ve not met one person that had complained about nudity (there was an Arab came into the sauna with his wife in a veil when I was sitting stärkers but how’s that my issue?) yet I’ve met several that have written to complain about the new rules. I’ve been playing sport since childhood and I’ve seen all manner of cocks, arses, tits and pussies on fat people, skinny people, young, old, attractive, unattractive people and I suspect I am in the overwhelming majority.
And relax........
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Post by Grampa on Dec 10, 2020 17:47:12 GMT
Haven't dressed smart for work for 18 years - I thought I would probably just dress up a bit for client meetings, but going to visit one client at short notice when I didn't have time to change, she commented how nice it was to see me looking more relaxed. None of my clients wear a shirt and tie so as well as being more comfortable not doing so, it puts me on the same level as them.
One of my clients a good few years ago went to a meeting at a posh bank - his contact told him after the meeting (at which said client got the outcome he wanted), "you had us all at a disadvantage the moment you walked in."
"How so?"
"You were the only one not wearing a tie so it felt like we were all subservient to you."
Back to the opening post - I do a bit of volunteer training for the RNLI. Some of it has been done over video lately (for which I wear the uniform I would for face to face training) - last meeting there was lady we couldn't see - I said that we couldn't see her - she switched her camera on and she was still wearing a dressing gown!
Another family meeting we had with our solicitor the other day, my sister disappeared from view - I asked if she was still there - she waved her hand in front of the camera and said, "I got fed up of counting my chins!" (the solicitor was just wearing a hoody BTW).
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Post by racingteatray on Dec 10, 2020 17:58:28 GMT
One of my clients a good few years ago went to a meeting at a posh bank - his contact told him after the meeting (at which said client got the outcome he wanted), "you had us all at a disadvantage the moment you walked in." "How so?" "You were the only one not wearing a tie so it felt like we were all subservient to you." Yes, a lot of BSD-types specialise in attending meetings in a smart suit but without a tie and with more than one top button undone. It's up there with turning up empty-handed but with a bag-carrying flunkie who takes all your notes for you. |
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Post by Grampa on Dec 10, 2020 18:04:44 GMT
One of my clients a good few years ago went to a meeting at a posh bank - his contact told him after the meeting (at which said client got the outcome he wanted), "you had us all at a disadvantage the moment you walked in." "How so?" "You were the only one not wearing a tie so it felt like we were all subservient to you." Yes, a lot of BSD-types specialise in attending meetings in a smart suit but without a tie and with more than one top button undone. It's up there with turning up empty-handed but with a bag-carrying flunkie who takes all your notes for you. I doubt the client in question was wearing a suit - I never saw him wearing one - he would have been very smart but also very casual - wearing a suit and and shirt and looking like you've just removed the tie is not a good look IMO. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 10, 2020 18:07:42 GMT
I don't know anyone who wears a tie for work anymore - I'm glad I didn't buy shares in TieRack. Normal in Oil&Gas is a suit with no tie - the Europeans seemed to be a few years ahead of us on this.
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Post by Martin on Dec 10, 2020 18:25:16 GMT
I only wear a tie for formal lunches / events.
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Post by PG on Dec 10, 2020 18:58:34 GMT
Back when suits and ties seemed de-rigeur for business meetings, I always admired Dirty Den for wearing a suit with a polo shirt. He was clearly a trend setter.
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Post by Tim on Dec 11, 2020 10:16:14 GMT
Mrs Tim thinks a tie should always be worn with a suit so whenever I came home from work with the tie in my pocket I got a look.... From now on though it's going to be jeans, t-shirt and hoodie  |
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 11, 2020 10:27:21 GMT
Back when suits and ties seemed de-rigeur for business meetings, I always admired Dirty Den for wearing a suit with a polo shirt. He was clearly a trend setter. I am afraid this is where we differ greatly. A suit is to be worn with a proper shirt. A suit with a polo shirt or T shirt just looks wrong and one small step away from Rab C Nesbitt. |
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Post by Boxer6 on Dec 11, 2020 10:36:46 GMT
Back when suits and ties seemed de-rigeur for business meetings, I always admired Dirty Den for wearing a suit with a polo shirt. He was clearly a trend setter. I am afraid this is where we differ greatly. A suit is to be worn with a proper shirt. A suit with a polo shirt or T shirt just looks wrong and one small step away from Rab C Nesbitt. Oh, no; there's still the not inconsiderable matter of ripped jacket shoulder, scuffed and stained once-white 'gutties' and manky head bandage to take into account! Miles away! |
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Post by Tim on Dec 11, 2020 11:16:35 GMT
I think Rab C would be offended at the thought of him wearing a polo shirt too!
A stained vest if you please.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 11, 2020 12:29:11 GMT
I used to love Rab C. Probably only bettered by Still Game.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 15, 2020 14:27:27 GMT
Yes, a lot of BSD-types specialise in attending meetings in a smart suit but without a tie and with more than one top button undone. It's up there with turning up empty-handed but with a bag-carrying flunkie who takes all your notes for you. I do both of these things but mainly because I'm relaxed about appearances at my age and if there's someone taking minutes why am I wasting my time? I do take notes on my phone occasionally. |
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Dec 15, 2020 14:38:32 GMT
Yes, a lot of BSD-types specialise in attending meetings in a smart suit but without a tie and with more than one top button undone. It's up there with turning up empty-handed but with a bag-carrying flunkie who takes all your notes for you. I do both of these things but mainly because I'm relaxed about appearances at my age and if there's someone taking minutes why am I wasting my time? I do take notes on my phone occasionally. Can I be your bag-carrying flunkie? |
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 15, 2020 18:30:37 GMT
Can I be your bag-carrying flunkie? What size cup are you and what is your leg length? |
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