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Post by alf on Nov 24, 2020 9:43:27 GMT
Apologies if it has been covered before when I was busy, but in comparison to electric vehicles, this sort of stuff really does worry me: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54454738Imagine, you are cornering hard on deserted, well sighted sweeping A roads, balancing the car on the throttle and revelling in the engine response (which will still be there - in spades - with eelctric), and the bloody throttle keeps going dead. Total killjoy. Also - in anything powerful and RWD especially - this could be incredibly dangerous. Give the throttle a bigger push and you could lose control when it allows you some power. In my car - sytems on or off - a few mm of throttle travel can be the difference between spinning and a perfect corner exit. Inhabiting that hinterland safely is exactly the part of driving I enjoy the most, and why most RWD bores love it so much. This, is a major concern. Presumably there will still be trackday cars but that market is vastly more expensive than 20 years ago when I was on track every other weekend.... When people say you can't enjoy a powerful car on road I always challenge it, find the right road and time even in the south and you can, but this legislation could easily kill off driving as a pleasure. At least my partner is German eh. There has always been a big green movement there, but there are much bigger car companies... |
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Post by johnc on Nov 24, 2020 10:26:54 GMT
Totally agree James. Shutting off a driver's ability to control a car is just dangerous. Full stop! Unfortunately all cars will also be fitted with the technology to relay your speed to big brother and although this won't happen at first, it is almost certain to be legislated in within a few years. This is an agenda driven by those who see speed alone as the danger and are obviously too dim to see that there are some occasions such as accelerating away or past trouble you can see building around you on a motorway when it is a much safer option.
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Post by Martin on Nov 24, 2020 10:32:55 GMT
I think it's a terrible idea, if people need the car to control the throttle to obey the speed limit then they shouldn't be driving.
You'll still be able to accelerate away or past trouble by pushing the throttle all the way down, but that also means anyone who wants to drive at excessive speed will be able to.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 24, 2020 10:54:10 GMT
Any kind of interference affecting the control of the car by the driver is fraught with difficulty. So you had an accident, and you can reasonably prove in court that you would not have had that accident if you could have accelerated away from the scene of the accident before it became the scene of an accident but the systems in place didn't allow it or delayed it even by a fraction of a second. Possibly a secondary accident was caused by this momentary unresponsiveness of the throttle combining with its sudden responsiveness causing a massive slide and propelling you towards the scene of the secondary accident (especially one to consider with electric engines and that Taycan driveway-fail video we've all seen). Insurance companies would run a mile; the courts would be utterly inconsistent and the legislation would be pulled back so fast that the government may be accused of speeding.
There's also this belief that the speed limit is the safe limit. the limit past our schools is 20mph. At drop off and collection that would be akin to the kids feeling like trackside marshalls at an F1 race. The speed then becomes 30mph on the streets adjacent to the school roads, which are still pedestrian routes home for the children. Parked cars both sides (it's a London borough), wet roads, leaves everywhere, kids seeing their friends on the other side of the street.... 30mph is suddenly lethal but the system can't see that but the driver should.
If you're not able to control yourself appropriately (including NOT driving in the overtaking lane at all times) then maybe its not car systems that need to be introduced.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 24, 2020 10:56:33 GMT
The one thing the government have fucked up on with their police state utopia is the lack of police on the front line.
I can see whole industries set up to relay false code to the road monitoring network and I'll be first in line. Or I keep the 911 for ever and not have these issues.
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 24, 2020 10:58:54 GMT
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Post by johnc on Nov 24, 2020 11:28:29 GMT
I would also add that my car regularly picks up the 30mph limit of an adjacent road when I am travelling along the M8 before the Stirling turn off. If my car thinks it is in a 30mph limit suddenly and the normal tailgaiters are sleeping or checking their phones then I will be rear ended. Technology isn't always right.
There is another bit of the M8 where they have just built a new section and bits of the old road cross over and run parallel with the new road and the speed limit sign on my car flashes a variety of incorrect speeds as I go by. Mayhem could ensue.
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Post by Martin on Nov 24, 2020 11:33:40 GMT
I would also add that my car regularly picks up the 30mph limit of an adjacent road when I am travelling along the M8 before the Stirling turn off. If my car thinks it is in a 30mph limit suddenly and the normal tailgaiters are sleeping or checking their phones then I will be rear ended. Technology isn't always right. There is another bit of the M8 where they have just built a new section and bits of the old road cross over and run parallel with the new road and the speed limit sign on my car flashes a variety of incorrect speeds as I go by. Mayhem could ensue. Doesn't it read the signs and ignore what the sat nav thinks the limit is? I didn't have any of those issues in the 7 (nor the RR), it worked really well with temporary speed limits and didn't get caught out with speed limit stickers on lorries which I understand can cause problems with some systems. |
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Post by michael on Nov 24, 2020 11:39:25 GMT
This is a bloody stupid idea and perpetuates the myth that it's speed, rather than poor judgement and application of speed, that kills. My house is on a single track lane, there's no pavement or street lights, the speed limit is 60mph. This blunt instrument regulation is the worst kind of regulation as to be effective it would require even more regulatory burden and infringement of liberty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 12:21:26 GMT
"I exceeded the speed limit for a short while to overtake safely which is perfectly safe", "Why on earth do you need to overtake, you can get there just as safely without". Cue no need to overtake and a gradual reduction in speed to the point where it is quicker to walk/cycle. "Hang on, what do you mean you can do twenty mph on a bicycle"? "Ban them".......
The estate I grew up on lost fifty percent of its parking spaces, I ask the council why and they say, "What on earth do you need a car for, get the bloody train/bus/coach"!
These people are unelected and we have no way to remove them which is anti democratic.
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Post by johnc on Nov 24, 2020 12:35:52 GMT
Doesn't it read the signs and ignore what the sat nav thinks the limit is? I didn't have any of those issues in the 7 (nor the RR), it worked really well with temporary speed limits and didn't get caught out with speed limit stickers on lorries which I understand can cause problems with some systems. I don't know what is giving me the speed limit (satnav or camera) but it changes in the instruments and on the head up display. It's not something I use often unless I am on roads I don't know but you do notice when it suddenly flashes from 70 or 50 to 30 or 40. |
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Post by chipbutty on Nov 24, 2020 14:05:44 GMT
Realistically - if this functionality was introduced and could not be disabled (like AEB can), new car sales would plummet (mainly on anything remotely sporting or powerful).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 14:39:59 GMT
Which shows how ridiculous the process is. What is the minimum requirement for say, 70mph? The new norm to make us WANT to go by bus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 15:44:01 GMT
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Post by ChrisM on Nov 24, 2020 17:01:45 GMT
It's just a stopgap until we're all being ferried about by autonomous Noddy cars we don't own. ^ This is what kind-of worries me.. I wonder how many affluent people will consider emigrating to, say, the USA or Canada where the car is still king of transport options whilst the rest of us live under more Orwellian times |
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Post by PG on Nov 24, 2020 19:10:14 GMT
It is just one of the many mysteries of life that something that has given us freedom and undoubtedly driven a lot of economic growth, namly the private car, should be so despised by so many people as the source of all evil. Even if the environmental debate was not happening (or already lost sadly) the "cars kill, bring back the red flag" arguments would still be coming forward from some groups who have to much power and access to too many people who take decisions. And this latest daft idea is just one more idea from those sad people. Which means , of course, that it will somehow be seen as essential and we will all be the poorer for it.
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