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Post by chipbutty on Nov 11, 2020 18:27:46 GMT
  After 14 months and 7,000 thoroughly enjoyable miles, I’ve given the P380 back and picked up my P450. Like the P380, it’s AWD, but being a 21MY facelift car, quite a lot has changed. For UK/Europe, the V6 engine is discontinued and replaced by a detuned version of the 5.0 supercharged V8 used in the P575. At 450 ps and 428 lbs ft it’s a good deal brawnier than the outgoing V6, but a healthy gap between it and the P575 remains. The options fitted to this car are as follows: Silicon Silver Pano roof Privacy glass Exterior design & black pack Performance seats Extended leather upgrade 12 way memory climate upgrade for the seat Climate pack (Heated windscreen, wheel and two zone climate) Heated, powerfold auto dim mirrors Meridian surround sound audio Park assist Secure tracker On initial impressions, it is very different to the outgoing P380 and the character of the car has changed. The P380 was a loveable, hairy arsed gob shite that used to make me giggle like an idiot whether I was snuffling through town or howling through the country side, such was it’s vocal range and depth. You didn’t really notice it was four wheel drive, given it’s arse happy nature and it was just a joyously entertaining bad ass every time I drove it. The P450 though, is far less chatty, in fact it does a good church mouse impression below 3500 rpm - obviously I’ve not given it serious beans yet and I’ve been told that you need to really rev it out to get it to come alive, but that to me is a shame given the infrequency with which you will likely be presented with the opportunity to work it. I can’t work out whether the latest party pooping legislation is to blame or if there has been a conscious effort to tuck it’s shirt in and comb it’s hair. The ride is much improved and the motorway refinement is better, but I loved the firmness of the old car which was never uncomfortable so it will be interesting to see how the new car reacts on lumpy B roads. On the positive side, the V8 is buttery smooth, delicious sounding (when you do hear it) and the available performance is on another level – the press comments have been rather favourable for the P450 and the video Harry did on the rwd model was great. |
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Post by michael on Nov 11, 2020 18:33:51 GMT
It's a good looking car despite the more anonymous nose - that said I haven't seen one in the metal so I shouldn't really comment.
I keep looking at these on Autotrader and thinking I want one more than a Porsche.
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Post by Alex on Nov 11, 2020 19:04:04 GMT
Must say I prefer the original front end. The new lights look far too obviously as if they were not the original design. Otherwise it's still a great looking car.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 19:20:08 GMT
In that colour it works, for me anyway. It looks bloody glorious in fact. Enjoy.
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Post by Blarno on Nov 11, 2020 19:28:46 GMT
I take it the V8s have less of the artificial arse-cracklery that the V6s seem to have?
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 11, 2020 20:05:14 GMT
Looks great in that colour. I am another who looks at these on Autotrader.
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Post by chipbutty on Nov 11, 2020 20:07:41 GMT
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Post by racingteatray on Nov 12, 2020 10:15:15 GMT
Looks very nice in that colour and I'm another that would have one of these over a 992.
Was your P380 pre-facelift?
What do you make of the two designs up close and personal?
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Post by PG on Nov 12, 2020 10:23:20 GMT
That looks lovely.
From the various reviews I read, it sounds like the P450 is the sweetspot in the range. Plenty of power; a good all-rounder; not overly lairy; significantly cheaper than the P575.
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Post by Martin on Nov 12, 2020 10:27:37 GMT
That does look very nice and I think a more subtle sounding V8 suits the F Type very well.
They're a lot cheaper used than a 911, so would be very tempting with a £40-50k budget, but not new. My spec would be high 70s after a 13% discount and at that price I'd man maths my way into a 992 which, admittedly without driving one, I'd love to have.
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Post by johnc on Nov 12, 2020 11:22:43 GMT
That's a great looking car. It's a pity you're not allowed to sell to friends and family at the end of your lease.
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Post by PetrolEd on Nov 12, 2020 11:41:15 GMT
Lovely things F-Types but unfortunately for some reason unlike 911's those people I know who have bought one never upgrade to the next model and move to a different manufacturer which must be why they're a rare sight on our roads. The looks alone are enough to provide the car far more success then it currently has.
As Martin says a 4 year old AWD 5.0 Coupe for mid 40 odd grand is the way forward.
How do your company cars get treated Chips? I assume they are purchased with large discount in your own name with generous buy backs to get round the tax issues otherwise I can imagine the BIK would be eyewatering.
Edited to add, do you have to order the car in resale spec? If I wasn't taking the risk on resale value I'd be ordering that Blood Orange or at least Firenze Red.
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Post by chipbutty on Nov 12, 2020 18:36:00 GMT
My P380 was the last of the pre-facelifts (20MY) and I think the pre-facelift is prettier and any substantial change was always going to be divisive as the car is damn near perfect (IMO).
Dependent on the model, the level of choice varies. On the F-type the colour choice is quite wide and only excludes SVO paints and Indus silver (which is annoying as that is my favourite colour). Interior choice is more restrictive (can't have red, or tan) and no choice of wheels either (I'd have the silver 20 inch 5 spokes). Most of the options I listed are standard fit for a management order, but I added the roof and the bodykit/black pack.
The funding route is standard for the industry - essentially a loan to buy the car at cost and the user pays a fee for interest, insurance and maintenance. Then when the car is returned, it's sold for a profit and no BIK has been incurred, so no BIK tax is owed. The fee structure is different on my SM car, so I end up paying BIK on a nominal interest charge.
If I was to buy an F-Type (and I really, really would). I would want the last of the pre-facelifts (20MY) and I would be happy with a P380 or an R.
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Post by Stuntman on Nov 12, 2020 20:19:26 GMT
Nice one Pete. I think this P450 is potentially the sweet spot of the range for me on paper, and I look forward to reading more of your impressions of the car as you live with it.
Enjoy it to the full and I hope its personality grows on you.
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Post by chipbutty on Nov 17, 2020 12:01:39 GMT
Good news ! I’ve worked out how to enable noisy start  I’ve also worked out that keeping the engine on the boil (above 3500 rpm) uncorks the tunes and permits the occasional artillery pop. It’s not quite as vocal as the pre facelift car, but it’s much more like it. As the car accumulates miles, the exhaust note will improve as it goes through more heat cycles and I get to explore the outer reaches of the rev limits. It’s also naffin quick. |
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Post by alf on Nov 20, 2020 9:01:09 GMT
Lovely - loved the old one, love the new one. That colour works well with how you describe the engine - I'd want shoutier on both fronts, but this has a very nice sophisticated look.
I'm very much not a fan of pops/bangs/whoosh sounds from the exhaust, but do love a snorty induction roar and the more cultured noisiness you get from a Porsche, Ferrari etc vs a 4 pot Audi. It's a tough balance for OEM's and I'm glad Jaguar have rowed back from the silly stuff a bit. Enjoy, chip, you lucky so and so!
My XFR's have been totally different despite allegedly the same engine/exhaust (I don't think there is a sports option). First one was more subtle - bassy and loud but very classic V8, supercharger whine barely present. The red one is far louder - clearly has some sort of exhaust trickery as it makes a lot of noise around 3k revs on a part throttle, it's just very bloody loud (in an entirely nice way, no pops) even at low speed, sounding more Porsche than muscle car, and the supercharger whine is present too. Clearly some work was put in in the intervening years but I never saw anything claimed in reviews etc.
An F Type R (RWD for me) remains a probable purchase at some point in the future if life goes to plan.... Late pre facelift does indeed sound good!
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Post by franki68 on Nov 20, 2020 11:41:15 GMT
Currently debating on one of these for the wife,narrowed the choice down to a boxster/cayman or f type (probably an awd version) nothing else is coming to mind ,maybe an audi rs5 ?
The f types do look great .
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Post by chipbutty on Nov 20, 2020 13:33:19 GMT
If you want a RWD F-Type R, you will be limited to cars made in 2014/15, as they went AWD only at 16MY.
In theory you could buy a RWD 21MY P450 and have it remapped up to 575ps (I think the engines are mechanically identical - but tbc), but I would strongly recommend driving an AWD one before thinking about RWD.
F-Types are very much RWD until the front wheels put down their paper, kick off their slippers and start doing some work. Off the line traction is fantastic, but you can go completely sideways out of a wet junction if you so choose.
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Post by johnc on Nov 20, 2020 14:27:23 GMT
If you want a RWD F-Type R, you will be limited to cars made in 2014/15, as they went AWD only at 16MY. In theory you could buy a RWD 21MY P450 and have it remapped up to 575ps (I think the engines are mechanically identical - but tbc), but I would strongly recommend driving an AWD one before thinking about RWD. F-Types are very much RWD until the front wheels put down their paper, kick off their slippers and start doing some work. Off the line traction is fantastic, but you can go completely sideways out of a wet junction if you so choose. I can completely concur with those comments coming from a RWD biased 4WD car - and that is with everything in "normal". If I put it into Sport on a damp road, the rear end movement can become a bit uncomfortable and I wouldn't use it if pressing on with lots of sharp turns. In Sports Plus you need a track with space otherwise you'll lose your licence or more if anyone is coming the other way. |
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Post by alf on Nov 20, 2020 15:50:54 GMT
I'll certainly try a 4WD version then! The Audi we have now is the other side of 4WD - the V6 diesel and quattro system are simply propulsion. Impressive in a way, but not playful, and it raises the speed of anything needing correction to occasional use when focusing and in space only. The supercharged engines are good for messing about in, like big NA engines, as there is no lag, which is always fun! If the F type was a 2+2 I'd have had one years ago... PS on the subject of messing about with 4WD, have a look on Facebook for Chris Harris in the rapid Yaris - he does some amazing stuff there, he certainly has skills  |
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2020 15:59:49 GMT
If you want a RWD F-Type R, you will be limited to cars made in 2014/15, as they went AWD only at 16MY. In theory you could buy a RWD 21MY P450 and have it remapped up to 575ps (I think the engines are mechanically identical - but tbc), but I would strongly recommend driving an AWD one before thinking about RWD. F-Types are very much RWD until the front wheels put down their paper, kick off their slippers and start doing some work. Off the line traction is fantastic, but you can go completely sideways out of a wet junction if you so choose. I can completely concur with those comments coming from a RWD biased 4WD car - and that is with everything in "normal". If I put it into Sport on a damp road, the rear end movement can become a bit uncomfortable and I wouldn't use it if pressing on with lots of sharp turns. In Sports Plus you need a track with space otherwise you'll lose your licence or more if anyone is coming the other way. I too can concur with those comments despite driving a puny 2 litre diesel with 4wd! Full waz when turning right from a junction when the roads are damp/slippery usually results in a lot of sideways action. |
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 10, 2021 21:15:31 GMT
Quite boring update Almost identical to the previous P450 AWD Coupe – the differences are on the inside. I couldn’t have the performance seats this time, but full extended leather was still included – however if you specify standard ebony leather it only comes with black stitching, so if you want oyster contrast stitch you need the oyster/ebony interior (which I do because I am a tart). The seats are neither heated nor cooled, but keyless entry is now fitted – which has always struck me as being a completely pointless option on cars with retractable door handles as you need to touch the handle first to make it pop out even though it does that when you unlock from the fob. I probably should have chosen a more adventurous colour (bluefire maybe) – but I can confirm the following: This car definitely makes more noise below 3500 rpm – I think the exhaust tune has been tweaked to wind back the aural castration (which makes me very happy) This car rides better – but there is no logical reason why unless there was an undisclosed tweak at 22MY I think I have slightly more headroom with these seats – again, no logical reason why as the shape looks similar to the performance ones. I love this car – I did just over 5500 miles in the old one and it was fabulous. The performance is epic (450ps quoted, but the cars that have been tuned are circa 490 bhp on the pre tune dyno runs), the sound above 3500 rpm is stupendous and the way it drives is a delight (the vast majority of those 5000 + miles were accrued on early Sunday morning drives). Special mention must go to the gearbox calibration as I have now become a convert of the torque convertor paddle shift – if I am “ driving “, it’s always in manual mode because it works so well (full manual control that compliments the brawny engine) and it enhances the F-Type arse fireworks because you soon learn the sweet spot for the lift off pops, gurgles and snuffles.   |
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 11, 2021 7:52:59 GMT
Nice. I too would have the tartier seats.
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Post by PetrolEd on Dec 11, 2021 9:13:34 GMT
Nice again. Though I’d probably go for the slightly less tarty tan interior.
How come you guys can’t order sports seats? I’d assume like the glass roof this would be an almost essential option on the used market therefore helping resale?
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Post by alf on Dec 12, 2021 11:19:35 GMT
Beautiful car, love the not especially exterior and tarty interior colours. I would have that in a heartbeat! I'm guessing the 450bhp version of the V8 is plenty...
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Post by chipbutty on Dec 12, 2021 17:30:53 GMT
Performance seats aren’t really sports seats when compared with standard, they are just tarty versions that look super cool, I haven’t noticed any real difference in how they feel (they are supportive and comfortable regardless).
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Post by Stuntman on Dec 12, 2021 20:02:13 GMT
It looks very sweet indeed and I am most envious. I have still never driven an F-Type and I'd particularly like a go in the 450+ horsepower V8 version.
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Post by Martin on Dec 12, 2021 20:38:50 GMT
That’s lovely. BRG with a glass roof for me please.
Heated seats as well (at least), haven’t had a car without them since a 1996 Peugeot 406….!
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Post by PG on Dec 13, 2021 20:07:22 GMT
Very nice. Good to see Jag offering the proper way to do light seats - everything else except the seats and door cards black.
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Post by Martin on Dec 13, 2021 20:15:57 GMT
Missed your point about keyless. Proximity sensors are the answer, as the handles pop out when you approach the car. Quite a few cars have that now from Teslas to the 992.
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