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Post by Martin on Oct 6, 2020 16:39:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 16:58:31 GMT
I'm guessing all the facelift effort went towards the interior, as it looks exactly the same on the outside?
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Post by Martin on Oct 6, 2020 17:39:39 GMT
It’s got a wider/deeper grille (doesn’t look that different to me) and decent headlights.
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Post by johnc on Oct 6, 2020 18:01:21 GMT
The inside looks much better and a proper gearstick just makes more sense. The i-Pace steering wheel is also there and that is a good thing.
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Post by PG on Oct 6, 2020 18:57:12 GMT
Big improvement to the interior. I think the exterior now apes what the "S" model was before, which always looked better. Jaguars always used to be better priced than their German competitors and had more standard equipment. But in the past few years (since the XE and Mk 2 XF) there was more of a match. Which never really worked. So I'm pleased they've gone back to better pricing and including more equipment as standard. A "base" spec Jag was never a good thing.
I see that XE prices have also come down and you can now put a well equipped XE on the road for well under £40k and a decent equipped XF for just under £40k. So that has to help private buyers as that's a straight £25 per month saving straight away on road tax from year 2.
OK, they're only 4 cylinder engines, but to most people that won't be a deal breaker. I wonder of the 6 cyl engines will be released later on?
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Post by PetrolEd on Oct 7, 2020 8:05:27 GMT
Its still amazing how they mucked up this generation of XF when compared to the original. Its mildly better but you still wouldn't.
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Post by michael on Oct 7, 2020 8:58:26 GMT
It's just so ordinary. It's a tidy looking car but it has nothing stand-out that'd make you want one. I think the XE is better but the days of saloon cars are nearly over.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 7, 2020 9:04:56 GMT
It's just so ordinary. It's a tidy looking car but it has nothing stand-out that'd make you want one. I think the XE is better but the days of saloon cars are nearly over. I'd agree but I'm not sure that applies across all markets globally. One of my wife's cousins has a current-shape XF 3.0D in sporty trim (R-Design?) and in a sort of bronze-smoke silver colour with black-trim instead of chrome it does look very smart. |
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Post by chipbutty on Oct 7, 2020 9:21:11 GMT
If it's a UK spec car - it will be a Diesel S. Silicon silver by the sounds of it..... The XF is very handsome (if you spec it correctly) and exceptionally good to drive.    |
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Post by PG on Oct 7, 2020 10:35:15 GMT
Perhaps people have got too used to over detailed, overly fussy designs? For me it looks simple in design terms - no multiple creased sides; no huge lumps of chrome below the bumper at the back; the grille looks in keeping with the size of the car. It does not have the perfect proportions that the mk 1 had, but one of the criticisms always levelled at the Mk 1 was lack of rear leg room. So in addressing that, a bit of the elegance of stance was lost. Which is probably why you think the XE looks better - it has most of the same design cues as the Mk 1 XF including no window behind the rear doors and a shorter rear end. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 7, 2020 10:46:13 GMT
I quite like it until you get to the rear, which looks stretched and out of proportion with the rest of the car.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 10:49:18 GMT
Interior designer 1: "How can we get a bigger screen in the cabin without a full redesign of the dashboard?"
Interior designer 2: "I know, why not just whip the small one out and stick the bigger one over the hole? I don't think anyone will notice"
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Post by michael on Oct 7, 2020 10:52:34 GMT
Perhaps people have got too used to over detailed, overly fussy designs? For me it looks simple in design terms - no multiple creased sides; no huge lumps of chrome below the bumper at the back; the grille looks in keeping with the size of the car. It does not have the perfect proportions that the mk 1 had, but one of the criticisms always levelled at the Mk 1 was lack of rear leg room. So in addressing that, a bit of the elegance of stance was lost. Which is probably why you think the XE looks better - it has most of the same design cues as the Mk 1 XF including no window behind the rear doors and a shorter rear end. That's not really what I was getting at. In terms of looks it smart, but it's not stand out like the first one was, but it's nothing special and I think a Jaguar should be. The first XF had the swivelling vents and the rotary gear selector, funky lighting and so on. This just seems very plain and easy to overlook. I wish Jaguar would have the confidence to put wood back in their cars, the open pour stuff is very popular in other brands and it might go some way to restoring Jaguarness. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 7, 2020 11:01:57 GMT
Perhaps people have got too used to over detailed, overly fussy designs? For me it looks simple in design terms - no multiple creased sides; no huge lumps of chrome below the bumper at the back; the grille looks in keeping with the size of the car. It does not have the perfect proportions that the mk 1 had, but one of the criticisms always levelled at the Mk 1 was lack of rear leg room. So in addressing that, a bit of the elegance of stance was lost. Which is probably why you think the XE looks better - it has most of the same design cues as the Mk 1 XF including no window behind the rear doors and a shorter rear end. That's not really what I was getting at. In terms of looks it smart, but it's not stand out like the first one was, but it's nothing special and I think a Jaguar should be. The first XF had the swivelling vents and the rotary gear selector, funky lighting and so on. This just seems very plain and easy to overlook. I wish Jaguar would have the confidence to put wood back in their cars, the open pour stuff is very popular in other brands and it might go some way to restoring Jaguarness. I agree with all of this. I looked at the pictures and thought "so what?". |
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Post by PG on Oct 7, 2020 12:07:57 GMT
You can spec wood - there's as much on the doors and dash as the Mk 1 XF. but none on the centre console. I love the swivelling vents, so do mourn those. But overall I still think it a vast improvement.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 14:14:02 GMT
The feeling I get from interior snaps and from being in the car is entirely different. Missing the tactile side destroys the value of interiors of cars for me.
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Post by racingteatray on Oct 7, 2020 14:43:52 GMT
If it's a UK spec car - it will be a Diesel S. Silicon silver by the sounds of it..... It's an Italian-spec car (he lives near Milan) which he bought new about three years or so ago. No it's not Silicon Silver. Googling it, I'd guess at Quartzite. It's distinctly bronze-ish. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 7, 2020 17:54:16 GMT
You can spec wood - there's as much on the doors and dash as the Mk 1 XF. but none on the centre console. I love the swivelling vents, so do mourn those. But overall I still think it a vast improvement. Nice and probably very high quality, but lacking wow factor. You could put an Audi MMI controller in the centre console and it would be almost indistinguishable from the Ingolstadt competition. Nothing here is making me want to dash excitedly to my local Jaguar dealer. |
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Post by Big Blue on Oct 7, 2020 21:41:44 GMT
There's an XF estate a few doors down from me and it looks lovely to be honest. No Hybrid option so corporate fleet buyers will likely not even add it to their available list.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Oct 8, 2020 9:18:15 GMT
You can spec wood - there's as much on the doors and dash as the Mk 1 XF. but none on the centre console. I love the swivelling vents, so do mourn those. But overall I still think it a vast improvement. I think that looks lovely and a step up from the BMW/Merc/Audi competition. |
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Post by michael on Oct 8, 2020 9:40:33 GMT
I've just had a look on the configurator and it does seem to be a lot better value now. I'm also impressed to see it has a decent range of paint options including British Racing Green.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 8, 2020 9:40:47 GMT
Skoda Superb  Audi A6  Leaving aside the touchy feely quality of the materials, which one looks most like the Jaguar interior and which one looks more upmarket? |
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Post by michael on Oct 8, 2020 9:42:54 GMT
Leaving aside the touchy feely quality of the materials, which one looks most like the Jaguar interior and which one looks more upmarket? Hide the badge and on the inside the XF could be anything. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 8, 2020 9:44:27 GMT
Leaving aside the touchy feely quality of the materials, which one looks most like the Jaguar interior and which one looks more upmarket? Hide the badge and on the inside the XF could be anything. Exactly! |
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Post by johnc on Oct 8, 2020 13:28:14 GMT
It may be anonymous on the inside but at least it doesn't look like the new 4 series on the outside.
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Post by michael on Oct 8, 2020 13:49:01 GMT
It may be anonymous on the inside but at least it doesn't look like the new 4 series on the outside. From the same school of reasoning that brought us, "that paper-cut sure did smart but at least I didn't take a parachute-less fall, crotch first, onto a security bollard". |
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Post by johnc on Oct 8, 2020 13:57:44 GMT
It may be anonymous on the inside but at least it doesn't look like the new 4 series on the outside. From the same school of reasoning that brought us, "that paper-cut sure did smart but at least I didn't take a parachute-less fall, crotch first, onto a security bollard". At least there is nothing offensive about the interior and it is a big improvement on what was there previously. |
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Post by chipbutty on Oct 8, 2020 14:06:43 GMT
It's almost the same interior that is going into the new F-Pace (which was very highly praised on the F-Pace thread).
Interesting divergence of opinion dependant on the car the interior is fitted to.
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Post by michael on Oct 8, 2020 14:24:43 GMT
Interesting divergence of opinion dependant on the car the interior is fitted to. I suppose it has a lot to do with the F-Pace starting from a low bar and the previous XF seemingly a higher bar (interior wise) than the car that followed it. |
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Post by Blarno on Oct 8, 2020 14:46:31 GMT
The "wood" in all of them is hideous, but the stuff in the Superb is horribly reminiscent of a Rover SD1.
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