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Post by Eff One on Sept 14, 2020 16:31:08 GMT
Demolition derby aside, that was great. The circuit and setting are magnificent, surely among the finest places anywhere to watch F1 cars. I thought qualy would be the highlight, with a processional race. But the combination of powerful DRS and cambered corners - allowing for more than one line - seemed to allow them to follow closer than anticipated.
Good on Alex Albon for breaking his duck, and Danny Ric for showing his class again. And ever since I said that Stroll was a waste of space, he's been getting better and I have to admit, was going well until his left rear let go. That was a nasty shunt which I was relieved to see him walk away from. He was heading for P5, ahead of Perez (as he should have been with an updated car). Still behind a slower car in Ricciardo's Renault, but a solid effort.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 17:38:50 GMT
The race between stops was quite good, I was expecting some paint sharing but not the havoc we actually saw. Crashjean reacted like a spoiled child suggesting the people at the front wanted to kill him. Interesting thought but doubt anyone had time to think of let alone act out the plan. I see we have to reinforce the legal theory that the person hitting the car in front is responsible. The driver at the front sets the pace and the rerst have to react to that.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 14, 2020 19:36:12 GMT
..... ever since I said that Stroll was a waste of space, he's been getting better ...... In the past few races, Stroll has been getting much stronger. When he gets the hang of car set-up, he could be very useful indeed.... so long as he starts near the front. Not sure of his ability to overtake
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Post by Sav on Sept 16, 2020 22:25:36 GMT
One of the fundamental aspects I liked about Mugello was the flow of the circuit, and the relatively quick laptimes. People (including me) talk about turbulence and the braking distances, both of which unquestionably harm the racing. However, I think circuit design is something that has got progressively worse.
Why is the racing always good at Interlagos and Montreal? Because the layouts are simple, there aren’t unless corner sequences to deal with. The drivers can attack the same opportunity in barley a minute’s time on any given lap. Compare that to Abu Dhabi, which has two sectors which are impossible for overtaking, with silly artificial chicanes and 90-degree corners. We need circuits with fewer corners, and circuits that flow.
With the restarts, it’s a tricky one. Only Mugello and Baku have a very long pit straight, where the lead driver can exit the final corner with a serious chance of being overtaken into turn one. Maybe Interlagos is another track too. So really, Bottas had to go at the last possible second. Otherwise he would have been swamped into turn one.
I think two improvements can be made. The leader supposedly can’t weave or brake erratically. But this is never clearly defined, what constitutes to a foul in this regard? European open wheel drivers love to aggressively brake and weave under Safety Car, it’s just what happens. I would outlaw weaving and sudden braking on restarts. I would also stipulate a minimum speed to be maintained on the pit straight itself. I think this would avoid a situation where the leader trundles along, doing absolutely nothing wrong according to the regulations. Drivers behind would more or less have to stay in-line.
V8 Supercars has gone through a lot of different restarts. They have finally nailed one that works. No weaving or sudden braking, with 80 kph maintained by the leader. With F1 cars one could say that the minimum speed could be higher, maybe 120 kph.
The issue of the Safety Car lights has been strange. With most restarts, race control must know if a restart can be initiated with a lap to go. At best, drivers need a half a laps notice before a restart. Drivers need to visually see that. With other forms of racing, the lights go out with a lap to go. It’s like with the red flag light at Monza, it just wasn’t very clear. The pits being closed could have been a more serious situation, but the lights were located on the outside of Parabolica, out of the driver’s field of vision. It wasn't even clearly red. Improvements can be made, I think difficult Grands Prix can be managed more effectively then certain incidents at Monza and Mugello were. Part of the issue is that F1 doesn’t have many restarts, red flags or the closing of pitlane. F1 should use this as an opportunity to review procedures and add clarity.
I think from 2022-onwards we might have a lot more of this, with more closer and competitive racing. That will lead to more contact and Safety Cars.
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Post by ChrisM on Sept 17, 2020 9:53:17 GMT
We need circuits with fewer corners, and circuits that flow. (snip) I think from 2022-onwards we might have a lot more of this, with more closer and competitive racing. That will lead to more contact and Safety Cars. You mean, like an oval? As to contact, IMHO that is a very definite no-no in open wheel cars, especially F1 where there are high speeds to consider too
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Post by Sav on Sept 21, 2020 21:12:59 GMT
Funny you mention that, because one of the Bahrain GP's will use a circuit that is being dubbed as an oval. It isn't really because of the layout's esses. But it will be very short, sub-50 second laps. I think it will be superb. Circuits like Interlagos and Montreal are fine in terms of length.
Abu Dhabi and the Sorchi Autodrome should be used as examples of how not to design circuits.
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