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Post by michael on Aug 4, 2020 13:37:48 GMT
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Post by Tim on Aug 4, 2020 14:16:26 GMT
From that view the headlights are very similar to the McLaren MP4-12 (?).
It's not particularly attractive to my eyes although that applies to most of these now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 14:18:26 GMT
Spoiled by the fan on the back. Hairdryer?
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Post by PG on Aug 4, 2020 17:59:24 GMT
Spoiled by the fan on the back. Hairdryer? That's spoilt it for me. I thought that was the rocket motor nozzle. |
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Post by Martin on Aug 4, 2020 19:03:25 GMT
I like it, right up to the fan which does spoil it somewhat.
Quote from Chris Harris: What you need to know is that the thing looks tiny in the raw, and it’s free of all the crap that’s made this type of car increasingly pointless.
More info and you’ll see how small it is, virtually the same size as the F1 but with a bigger cabin.
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Post by michael on Aug 4, 2020 19:07:28 GMT
I really like it but the fan looks a bit daft. That said I think it’ll grow on me as I do love the ambitious technology. It seems a lot more clever than anything else out there and I like that.
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Post by Martin on Aug 4, 2020 19:15:46 GMT
I’ve watched all the video now, really interesting and great to really understand all the technical solutions and detail rather than just getting stats and marketing guff.
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Post by Andy C on Aug 4, 2020 19:35:11 GMT
From that view the headlights are very similar to the McLaren MP4-12 (?). It's not particularly attractive to my eyes although that applies to most of these now. And the back looks like a Ferrari 488 to me. I think it’s the lights |
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Post by chipbutty on Aug 4, 2020 20:19:42 GMT
I know GM has taken some flack in the past for some of his views with regards weight and purity of design, but hearing him and Harry talk through the details of the car and the design ethos was fantastic.
It’s got a few funny angles, but the engineering purity is fabulous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 20:39:09 GMT
It's exactly as described, the F1 with thirty more years of thought combined with modern technology put into it.
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 4, 2020 21:33:02 GMT
I never got the invite for an interview at GMD/GMA. However, let's just say that the current Unimog is a pretty awesome vehicle even if it is somewhat different to the T50
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Post by Stuntman on Aug 4, 2020 21:37:50 GMT
I like most of the exterior but I'm not so keen on the interior. And personally (whilst being well aware that I'm likely to be in the minority) I would far rather that the car was designed around a conventional seating position with the gear leaver in the middle of the car.
I get why it is so, but I don't see the point.
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Post by michael on Aug 4, 2020 21:51:20 GMT
I know GM has taken some flack in the past for some of his views with regards weight and purity of design, but hearing him and Harry talk through the details of the car and the design ethos was fantastic. It’s got a few funny angles, but the engineering purity is fabulous. I agree entirely. His approach was refreshing and Harry’s excitement about the project was obvious. I do wonder how much of this could translate into a more affordable car? By affordable I still mean £150k sort of money but is it the case you can only get the compact dimensions and clean design with mega bucks carbon tubs and so on? |
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Post by rodge on Aug 5, 2020 2:45:23 GMT
While not intending to, I watched the entire video above.
Really looking forward to seeing these when they are finished.
Gordon Murray is a fascinating guy to listen to, and love that he has kept it an engineers car.
Vastly superior to anything else and much more desirable than any other super/hyper car that’s been released in the last 15 years.
The fan is weird looking I’ll admit, but the benefits are huge. Knocking 10m off the 150-0 mph braking distance is very impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 5:49:53 GMT
I see there are around half a dozen of these videos on the Toob so Gordon has talked at length several times about the car to different journalists and vloggers. I like most of the exterior but I'm not so keen on the interior. And personally (whilst being well aware that I'm likely to be in the minority) I would far rather that the car was designed around a conventional seating position with the gear lever in the middle of the car. I get why it is so, but I don't see the point. You're not alone on that bit, Dan. Would it not be even lighter with only two people fitting in it? Plus having to change gear with the wrong hand would get tiresome rather quickly for me. I'm a southpaw, so RHD manual cars feel a lot more natural to me than LHD ones. |
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Post by Tim on Aug 5, 2020 8:25:53 GMT
I can't remember if there was ever a reason given for the central seating position on the F1.
Is it weight distribution related?
Having owned a 2 seater (and several 2 door cars) I don't think I'd ever actually need 3 seats - I'd be happy with a 2 seater and a saloon/hatch/estate for other duties.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 5, 2020 10:30:02 GMT
I can't remember if there was ever a reason given for the central seating position on the F1. Is it weight distribution related? Having owned a 2 seater (and several 2 door cars) I don't think I'd ever actually need 3 seats - I'd be happy with a 2 seater and a saloon/hatch/estate for other duties. It's designed as a three-seater so you can take both the wife and the mother in law out in it, and a central seating position so they have an ear each. |
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 5, 2020 11:01:18 GMT
Umm ok. There's more than a degree of McLaren F1 re-hash going on here, both inside and out.
What does the comedy fan on the back do?
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Aug 5, 2020 11:15:18 GMT
What does the comedy fan on the back do? You would hope some sort of blue glow like the warp drive engines on the starship Enterprise. |
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Post by PetrolEd on Aug 5, 2020 11:32:11 GMT
The car is Pure genius. Listening to Murray, it’s interesting that he has the same hate for many tinsel in cars as I do so no doubt I’ll love this. Very brave having a manual gearbox in a car that quick and he’ll have a hell of a job getting drivable with that rev flare but what a machine. If I was in the hyper car market I wouldn’t be looking any where else.
Usable
Bloody fast
Na V12
Compact
Ok it’s not the most exciting shape and the fans a little awkward but think this’ll be iconic.
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Post by Martin on Aug 5, 2020 13:11:10 GMT
Umm ok. There's more than a degree of McLaren F1 re-hash going on here, both inside and out. What does the comedy fan on the back do? Try and make the time to watch the Harry M video, it’s fascinating. As for the fan, the engineering and downforce/drag benefit is substantial plus it also them to keep the overall shape very clean, no big rear spoiler or splitter on the front. I’m not surprised I didn’t know especially as it was news to HM, but the F1 had 2 x small fans to work the air on the diffusers so was a fan car, just not as overtly as this one. |
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Post by scouse on Aug 5, 2020 14:39:37 GMT
I like it and I love the fact that its got a NA V12, just not sure how well a 12000rpm V12 would suit a road car. If it was a track day special, then I'd see the point, but surely 12k is a bit much the road.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 15:33:08 GMT
I suppose it does depend on the road.
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Post by racingteatray on Aug 5, 2020 15:42:04 GMT
Umm ok. There's more than a degree of McLaren F1 re-hash going on here, both inside and out. What does the comedy fan on the back do? Try and make the time to watch the Harry M video, it’s fascinating. As for the fan, the engineering and downforce/drag benefit is substantial plus it also them to keep the overall shape very clean, no big rear spoiler or splitter on the front. I’m not surprised I didn’t know especially as it was news to HM, but the F1 had 2 x small fans to work the air on the diffusers so was a fan car, just not as overtly as this one. I will find the time. I've always been a bit lukewarm about Gordon Murray - I couldn't honestly tell you why. Possibly all that pontificating about purity of this that and the other. I've never had very much time for purists and ideologues of any sort. |
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Post by Martin on Aug 5, 2020 15:52:58 GMT
Try and make the time to watch the Harry M video, it’s fascinating. As for the fan, the engineering and downforce/drag benefit is substantial plus it also them to keep the overall shape very clean, no big rear spoiler or splitter on the front. I’m not surprised I didn’t know especially as it was news to HM, but the F1 had 2 x small fans to work the air on the diffusers so was a fan car, just not as overtly as this one. I will find the time. I've always been a bit lukewarm about Gordon Murray - I couldn't honestly tell you why. Possibly all that pontificating about purity of this that and the other. I've never had very much time for purists and ideologues of any sort. I'd have said the same until yesterday. I thought he was way too full of himself and he was always right, everyone else was wrong. But I didn't get that impression at all and despite loving FG/gadgets, I didn't really disagree with anything he said about what a car of that type should be like and it's refreshing to see decisions being made by an engineer not marketing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 17:18:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 20:19:38 GMT
Does it put the driver near to the point of rotation?
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Post by Blarno on Aug 5, 2020 20:45:42 GMT
I am completely unmoved by this, and I love the F1.
I watched some of the launch with Dario Franchitti and had to turn it off as Murray bores me.
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Post by Tim on Aug 6, 2020 8:23:43 GMT
I will find the time. I've always been a bit lukewarm about Gordon Murray - I couldn't honestly tell you why. Possibly all that pontificating about purity of this that and the other. I've never had very much time for purists and ideologues of any sort. I'd have said the same until yesterday. I thought he was way too full of himself and he was always right, everyone else was wrong. But I didn't get that impression at all and despite loving FG/gadgets, I didn't really disagree with anything he said about what a car of that type should be like and it's refreshing to see decisions being made by an engineer not marketing. I feel the same way about him (haven't watched the video yet) but I'm sure at least 50% of that is due to the unquestioning awe that journos always appear to have of him about everything he's done. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 9:48:54 GMT
They obviously all forgot about that aborted city car thing...
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