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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 9:03:47 GMT
The BBC have decided it didn't meet their editorial guidelines which means it must have gone quite a long way beyond what they usually accept. I can appreciate why those who subscribe to Maitlis's views can waive impartiality when it suits them, but the BBC should either be impartial or it shouldn't and if it shouldn't I shouldn't have to pay for it. Perish the thought that we should be forced to have our views challenged. The problem with both Tory supporters and Labour supporters is that, amazingly, both of them managed to whinge that the BBC is biased against them as if it is some sort of bizarre Schrodinger's Cat of broadcasting. It's tricky for this to be true. Or, if it is true, then it smacks of...impartiality. So, inevitably, this leaves me with the impression that actually what they are whinging about is the BBC's failure (as they see it) to be partial to their preferred point of view.
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 9:09:59 GMT
It's not a challenge of views to present a show with your own views though, is it? Furthermore is the role of the BBC to challenge or report and have its guests do the challenging? If it's to take a side, any side, nobody should be forced to pay for that.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 10:40:15 GMT
It's not a challenge of views to present a show with your own views though, is it? Furthermore is the role of the BBC to challenge or report and have its guests do the challenging? If it's to take a side, any side, nobody should be forced to pay for that. I would dispute that this is about views. In this instance, there is the actual reality of the situation, which seems pretty clear to everyone except those determined to ensure that it isn't clear. And then there is an alternative version of reality being peddled by the government. I'm not clear why patently false narratives should be given the same airtime as reality, not least for the good reason of not setting bad precedent. Unless the aim is to twist reality in the minds of the viewing public and get away with the proverbial blue murder.
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 11:07:47 GMT
'Good evening, Dominic Cummings broke the rules. The country can see that and it’s shocked the Government cannot. The longer minister and the Prime Minister tell us he worked within them, the more angry the response to this scandal is likely to be.
He was the man remember who always got the public mood – who tagged the lazy label of elite on those who disagreed. He should understand that public mood now – one of fury contempt and anguish. He made those who struggled to keep to the rules feel like fools and has allowed many more to presume they can now flout them.
The Prime Minister knows all this but despite the resignation of one minister, growing unease from his backbenchers, a dramatic early warning from the polls and a deep national disquiet, Boris Johnson has chosen to ignore it.'
BBC have reviewed Maitlis's introduction and found 'that it did not meet our standards of due impartiality' - that IS a fact.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 11:28:13 GMT
'Good evening, Dominic Cummings broke the rules. True. The country can see that True and it’s shocked the Government cannot. Straying into opinion The longer minister and the Prime Minister tell us he worked within them, the more angry the response to this scandal is likely to be. Opinion, but hardly fantastical as a claim.
He was the man remember who always got the public mood – who tagged the lazy label of elite on those who disagreed. True He should understand that public mood now – one of fury contempt and anguish. True He made those who struggled to keep to the rules feel like fools and has allowed many more to presume they can now flout them. Straying into opinion, but certainly true for many.
The Prime Minister knows all this but despite the resignation of one minister, growing unease from his backbenchers, a dramatic early warning from the polls and a deep national disquiet, Boris Johnson has chosen to ignore it.' True
BBC have reviewed Maitlis's introduction and found 'that it did not meet our standards of due impartiality' - that IS a fact. The BBC is rightly scared of a government that has demonstrated itself to be both petty and spiteful. This is basically about the airing of uncomfortable truths that don't fit the narrative which said government expects us to swallow. Defend it all you like but you are defending the indefensible on this occasion.
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Post by Tim on May 28, 2020 11:32:44 GMT
It looks a bit harsh as an opener to me.
In the interests of balance I look forward to Michael pointing out other unfairness aimed at all political parties across a variety of media platforms.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on May 28, 2020 11:49:02 GMT
'Good evening, Dominic Cummings broke the rules. True. The country can see that True and it’s shocked the Government cannot. Straying into opinion The longer minister and the Prime Minister tell us he worked within them, the more angry the response to this scandal is likely to be. Opinion, but hardly fantastical as a claim.
He was the man remember who always got the public mood – who tagged the lazy label of elite on those who disagreed. True He should understand that public mood now – one of fury contempt and anguish. True He made those who struggled to keep to the rules feel like fools and has allowed many more to presume they can now flout them. Straying into opinion, but certainly true for many.
The Prime Minister knows all this but despite the resignation of one minister, growing unease from his backbenchers, a dramatic early warning from the polls and a deep national disquiet, Boris Johnson has chosen to ignore it.' True
BBC have reviewed Maitlis's introduction and found 'that it did not meet our standards of due impartiality' - that IS a fact. The BBC is rightly scared of a government that has demonstrated itself to be both petty and spiteful. This is basically about the airing of uncomfortable truths that don't fit the narrative which said government expects us to swallow. Defend it all you like but you are defending the indefensible on this occasion. Are they more scared of this Government or that of Blair and Campbell - the latter hated them devoted half his time to bullying and trying to force the board to resign? I would argue the BBC isn't so much scared of this Government but rather the general public who are starting to wake up and smell the coffee and question why they're legally forced to pay this compulsory tax. They're afraid of the Government removing the legal sanctions they can employ to force payment when in reality if they are all they claim to be people will willingly pay for it - like they do with Netflix, Prime or BritBox.
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 11:59:34 GMT
'Good evening, Dominic Cummings broke the rules. True. The country can see that True and it’s shocked the Government cannot. Straying into opinion The longer minister and the Prime Minister tell us he worked within them, the more angry the response to this scandal is likely to be. Opinion, but hardly fantastical as a claim.
He was the man remember who always got the public mood – who tagged the lazy label of elite on those who disagreed. True He should understand that public mood now – one of fury contempt and anguish. True He made those who struggled to keep to the rules feel like fools and has allowed many more to presume they can now flout them. Straying into opinion, but certainly true for many.
The Prime Minister knows all this but despite the resignation of one minister, growing unease from his backbenchers, a dramatic early warning from the polls and a deep national disquiet, Boris Johnson has chosen to ignore it.' True
BBC have reviewed Maitlis's introduction and found 'that it did not meet our standards of due impartiality' - that IS a fact. The BBC is rightly scared of a government that has demonstrated itself to be both petty and spiteful. This is basically about the airing of uncomfortable truths that don't fit the narrative which said government expects us to swallow. Defend it all you like but you are defending the indefensible on this occasion. I'm airing facts, your indulging in conspiracy theories.
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 12:19:20 GMT
In the interests of balance I look forward to Michael pointing out other unfairness aimed at all political parties across a variety of media platforms. Why should I want to do that? I don't think the BBC are particularly anti-Tory.
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Post by Tim on May 28, 2020 13:05:09 GMT
Perhaps you could point me to one of your posts where you've highlighted some coverage of them failing to be impartial to the LimpDems, Labour, SNP, etc? *I don't really expect you to do this
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 13:10:10 GMT
But why would I? I've just said I don't think they're particularly biased against the Tories but I do think they're biased against Brexit which explains their obsession with Dominic Cummings.
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Post by Tim on May 28, 2020 13:11:07 GMT
Ah, ok. I'll shut up now then.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 13:15:16 GMT
This, posted on FB by a friend, seemed a decent if barbed summary:
So far. A quick précis. 1. Dominic Cummings, one of the few men to have ever been found in contempt of Parliament, moved onto contempt for everything.
2. When the story broke, and he was accused of doing things that look bad, he said he didn't care how things looked.
3. Then ministers said press outrage meant nothing, only the opinion of the people mattered.
4. Then polls showed 52% of people wanted Cummings to resign.
5. So Cummings decided to show the public some respect, by turning up 30 minutes late to make his explanation.
6. He began by saying he wasn't speaking for the govt, which must be why he was in the Rose Garden of 10 Downing Street.
7. Then the self-styled "enemy of the Islington media elite" said his wife, who works in the media, had been ill in their house in Islington.
8. But she was only a bit ill, so he popped home, got himself nice and infected, then went back to Downing Street for meetings with lots of vitally important people in the middle of a national crisis.
9. But then he got ill too, so then it was suddenly important.
10. Sadly he couldn't get childcare in London, even though 3 immediate relatives live within 3 miles of his London home.
11. So because he was carrying a virus that can cross a 2 metre distance and kill, he immediately locked himself in a car with his wife and child for 5 hours.
12. He then drove 264 miles without stopping in a Land Rover that gets maybe 25 MPG.
13. Then the scourge of the metropolitan elites made himself extra-relatable by describing his family's sprawling country estate, multiple houses and idyllic woodlands.
14. He explained that he'd warned about a coronavirus years ago in his blog.
15. Then it was revealed he actually secretly amended old blogs after he'd returned from Durham.
16. And anyway, if he'd warned years ago, why was he so massively unprepared and slow to react?
17. Then he said he was too ill to move for a week.
18. But in the middle of that week, presumably with "wonky eyes", he drove his child back from hospital.
19. Then he said that to test his "wonky eyes" he put his wife and child in a car and drove 60 miles on public roads.
20. Then it was revealed his wife drives, so there was no reason for the "eye test", cos she could have driven them back to London.
21. Then it was revealed the "eye test" trip to a local tourist spot took place on his wife's birthday.
22. Then cameras filmed as he threw a cup onto the table, smirked and left.
23. And then it emerged his wife had written an article during the time in Durham, describing their experience of being in lockdown in London, which you'd definitely do if you weren't hiding anything.
24. A govt scientific advisor said "more people will die" as a result of what Cummings had done.
25. Boris Johnson said he "wouldn't mark Cummings " down for what he'd done.
26. The Attorney General said it was ok to break the law if you were acting on instinct.
27. The Health Minister said it was OK to endanger public health if you meant well.
28. Johnson said Cummings' "story rings true" because his own eyesight was fine before coronavirus, but now he needs glasses.
29. But in an interview with The Telegraph 5 years ago, Johnson said he needed glasses cos he was "blind as a bat"
30. Michael Gove went on TV and said it was "wise" to drive 60 miles on public roads with your family in the car to test your eyesight.
31. The DVLA tweeted that you should never, ever do this.
32. Then ministers started claiming Cummings had to go to Durham because he feared crowds attacking his home. The streets were empty because we were observing the lockdown.
33. And then a minister finally resigned.
34. Steve Baker, Richard Littlejohn, Isabel Oakeshott, Tim Montgomerie, Jan Moir, Ian Dale, Julia Hartley Brewer, 30 Tory MPs, half a dozen bishops and the actual Daily Mail said Cummings should go.
35. The govt suggested we can ignore them, because they're all left-wingers.
36. Then a vicar asked Matt Hancock if other people who had been fined for doing exactly what Cummings did would get their fine dropped. Matt Hancock said he'd suggest it to the govt.
37. The govt said no within an hour. Cummings' statement had lasted longer than that.
38. And if the guidelines were so clear, why were people being stopped and fined for driving to find childcare in the first place?
39. Then a new poll found people who wanted Cummings sacked had risen from 52% to 57%.
40. Cummings is considered the smartest man in the govt
41. And in the middle of all this, in case we take our eye off it: we reached 60,000 deaths. One of the highest per capita death rates worldwide.
42. We still face Brexit under this lot.
43. It's 4 years until an election.
44. And it's still only Wednesday
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 13:19:22 GMT
He missed out the bit where Michael Barnier writes to the leaders of the opposition to beg for an extension to the transition period.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 13:22:21 GMT
He missed out the bit where Michael Barnier writes to the leaders of the opposition to beg for an extension to the transition period. Which is entirely irrelevant. This is about us having a terrible government of incompetents. Compared to that, at the moment, Brexit is neither here nor there.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 13:22:35 GMT
And it was a she.
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Post by Tim on May 28, 2020 13:24:01 GMT
She must be a left-wing Remoaner of some repute then
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 13:26:21 GMT
Well she's got quite a lot of it wrong factually including point 42 which is apparently neither here nor there.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 13:30:06 GMT
Well she's got quite a lot of it wrong factually including point 42 which is apparently neither here nor there. Feel free to correct the errors and we'll see whether it makes a whole heap of difference.
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Post by PG on May 28, 2020 14:12:21 GMT
The BBC have decided it didn't meet their editorial guidelines which means it must have gone quite a long way beyond what they usually accept. I can appreciate why those who subscribe to Maitlis's views can waive impartiality when it suits them, but the BBC should either be impartial or it shouldn't and if it shouldn't I shouldn't have to pay for it. And the official line is that she "asked for the night off" the next day, hence her replacement on the show the next evening. Do the BBC have no sense of irony, haranguing Cummings for supposed implausible explanations, but coming out with that corker? I imagine she either had a hissy fit and refused to come in, or they asked her not to.
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Post by PG on May 28, 2020 14:25:53 GMT
I can't really be arsed to read all 44, but as this is a car forum I feel the need to point out that she's as guilty of many others in allowing their perception to become their reality. Re point 12. "He then drove 264 miles without stopping in a Land Rover that gets maybe 25 MPG.". Yes, he a bastard and therefore to add to all his other sins, drives a gaz-guzzling, planet destroying huge big 4x4. It can't possibly go 264 miles on a tank of fuel - it just proves he is a lying bastard.
We don't know what the fuel gauge read when he set off. It's a Disco Sport. It'll do well more than 264 miles on a full tank of fuel. My 5.0 V8 Jag will do 400 miles on a full tank on a long trip.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 14:27:05 GMT
The BBC have decided it didn't meet their editorial guidelines which means it must have gone quite a long way beyond what they usually accept. I can appreciate why those who subscribe to Maitlis's views can waive impartiality when it suits them, but the BBC should either be impartial or it shouldn't and if it shouldn't I shouldn't have to pay for it. And the official line is that she "asked for the night off" the next day, hence her replacement on the show the next evening. Do the BBC have no sense of irony, haranguing Cummings for supposed implausible explanations, but coming out with that corker? I imagine she either had a hissy fit and refused to come in, or they asked her not to. Well on that I agree with you.
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Post by Martin on May 28, 2020 14:36:51 GMT
I can't really be arsed to read all 44, but as this is a car forum I feel the need to point out that she's as guilty of many others in allowing their perception to become their reality. Re point 12. "He then drove 264 miles without stopping in a Land Rover that gets maybe 25 MPG.". Yes, he a bastard and therefore to add to all his other sins, drives a gaz-guzzling, planet destroying huge big 4x4. It can't possibly go 264 miles on a tank of fuel - it just proves he is a lying bastard. We don't know what the fuel gauge read when he set off. It's a Disco Sport. It'll do well more than 264 miles on a full tank of fuel. My 5.0 V8 Jag will do 400 miles on a full tank on a long trip. I’ve read a couple of reports that just say Discovery, presumably because that’s what it says on the bonnet. Fair enough, they’re not motoring journalists, but I agree that if they’re going to start sharing ‘facts’ then they should be factual. I don’t know whether it’s a petrol or diesel, but on a long steady motorway run it must be well into the 400s.
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 14:48:14 GMT
Start again because I've run a check on the registration and it's a diesel (even though he kept using the word "petrol"). I don't doubt he was able to drive 264 miles without refuelling, assuming he conveniently had a full tank before leaving that has been there for a while (otherwise I'm not sure I see a relevant difference between refuelling at the start of your journey or part-way through it). Seems slightly more unlikely that all three of them, including his 4yr old, managed a 5hr car journey from Islington to Durham without needing to pee. Not least as we're told the child needed a pee stop during their "short" round trip of two hours or so to Barnard Castle.
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 14:59:32 GMT
I've managed the 271 mile trip to Tonbridge Wells plenty of times on one tank and without stopping. Even so, the police have issued a statement to the effect he didn't break the law at all in travelling to Durham so who cares?
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Post by Tim on May 28, 2020 15:36:30 GMT
The Dominic Cummings equivalents at all the other parties who feed directly to the same media that he does when there's a bit of mud to be slung?
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Post by racingteatray on May 28, 2020 15:55:18 GMT
I've managed the 271 mile trip to Tonbridge Wells plenty of times on one tank and without stopping. Even so, the police have issued a statement to the effect he didn't break the law at all in travelling to Durham so who cares? Evidently not you. Anything to protect the government and the Party eh?
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Post by michael on May 28, 2020 16:02:05 GMT
You're right in so much as I don't care that a man didn't break the law by driving to Durham. I hope more people don't break the law on their drives to Durham.
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Post by garry on May 28, 2020 18:16:56 GMT
So we can now meet in groups of 6 from Monday. Hurray! Make it 7 or Sunday and you’ll all die.
Edit: And we can play doubles tennis. Are they going to continue with this very specific level of sports unlocking? Next week we’ll be able to go swimming but only crawl and doggy paddle.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 18:31:27 GMT
One or the other but both is a stroke too far.....
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