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Post by michael on May 18, 2020 10:29:07 GMT
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Post by Tim on May 18, 2020 10:32:52 GMT
Are you sure that's the new one and not the old one?  |
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Post by racingteatray on May 18, 2020 20:05:43 GMT
Nice and all that, but as my wife remarked yesterday as we followed a Porsche, much as she's always wanted one, she think that now she'd prefer either a Maserati or an Aston Martin. She decided this was age-related on her part. She sees Maseratis and Astons as bigger and comfier.
Off I went to google V8 Vantages, a car I have long slavered over.
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Post by PetrolEd on May 18, 2020 21:59:22 GMT
Nice but then not nearly as nice as the old one to these eyes.
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Post by Tim on May 19, 2020 8:22:14 GMT
Off I went to google V8 Vantages, a car I have long slavered over. I did that Autotrader search last week but ended up looking at early 4.2s due to price. I have a suspicion they have hit the bottom of their depreciation curve at around £30k (I think). |
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Post by Alex on May 19, 2020 8:30:41 GMT
Are you sure that's the new one and not the old one? Another hard days work on the Porsche 911 new vehicles design team! |
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Post by Martin on May 19, 2020 8:36:08 GMT
Off I went to google V8 Vantages, a car I have long slavered over. I did that Autotrader search last week but ended up looking at early 4.2s due to price. I have a suspicion they have hit the bottom of their depreciation curve at around £30k (I think). I can’t see (good ones) dropping any further. I was looking at them 6 years ago and a fairly low mileage 4.2 was £34-36k. Lovely cars, they look and sound great, but needs to be a 4.7 really and they do feel ancient inside with very patchy quality. Not so much of an issue at £30k though I suppose. |
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Post by johnc on May 19, 2020 8:51:21 GMT
Nice and all that, but as my wife remarked yesterday as we followed a Porsche, much as she's always wanted one, she think that now she'd prefer either a Maserati or an Aston Martin. She decided this was age-related on her part. She sees Maseratis and Astons as bigger and comfier. Off I went to google V8 Vantages, a car I have long slavered over. Did you see the DB9 V12 Volante in the Harry's Garage thread at the Silverstone (online) auction this weekend? Guide priced at £25K - £30K? Or this looks nice: www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/aston-martin/v8-vantage-coupe/aston-martin-vantage-4-7-v8-2dr-eu6/10533796 |
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Post by Tim on May 19, 2020 9:25:43 GMT
Nice and all that, but as my wife remarked yesterday as we followed a Porsche, much as she's always wanted one, she think that now she'd prefer either a Maserati or an Aston Martin. She decided this was age-related on her part. She sees Maseratis and Astons as bigger and comfier. Off I went to google V8 Vantages, a car I have long slavered over. Did you see the DB9 V12 Volante in the Harry's Garage thread at the Silverstone (online) auction this weekend? Guide priced at £25K - £30K? Or this looks nice: www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/aston-martin/v8-vantage-coupe/aston-martin-vantage-4-7-v8-2dr-eu6/10533796 That's about perfect, apart from the wheels. Doesn't look bad inside (better than Nissan's scratchy plastic as fitted to the 370Z...) and I know they get criticised for their slow tech but I don't think I would ever use the satnav so as long as it plays music from an iPod or pen drive I'd be fine. |
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Post by Martin on May 19, 2020 9:28:04 GMT
Nice and all that, but as my wife remarked yesterday as we followed a Porsche, much as she's always wanted one, she think that now she'd prefer either a Maserati or an Aston Martin. She decided this was age-related on her part. She sees Maseratis and Astons as bigger and comfier. Off I went to google V8 Vantages, a car I have long slavered over. Did you see the DB9 V12 Volante in the Harry's Garage thread at the Silverstone (online) auction this weekend? Guide priced at £25K - £30K? Or this looks nice: www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/aston-martin/v8-vantage-coupe/aston-martin-vantage-4-7-v8-2dr-eu6/10533796 Has racing bought it already? (link doesn't work for me) |
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Post by Tim on May 19, 2020 9:37:43 GMT
Has racing bought it already? (link doesn't work for me) It's still there  |
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Post by Martin on May 19, 2020 9:38:41 GMT
Has racing bought it already? (link doesn't work for me) It's still there Someone must have put a blocker on my browser....... |
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Post by Roadrunner on May 19, 2020 9:48:40 GMT
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Post by PetrolEd on May 19, 2020 10:23:28 GMT
If i was looking at Astons a V12Vantage or a lovely manual DBS would be great butthey're altogether a different price point. Can't disagree that a 30k V8V is good value but they're cheap for a reason and would be financial suicide if you were unlucky.
I have a mate who had a V8 Vantage and bailed out when his first 10k bill came knocking and got into a 997.1 Porsche. Poor sod then got bore scoring on the 911 but luckily that was under warranty as he bought the car through his OPC.
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Post by garry on May 19, 2020 11:16:49 GMT
I did that Autotrader search last week but ended up looking at early 4.2s due to price. I have a suspicion they have hit the bottom of their depreciation curve at around £30k (I think). I can’t see (good ones) dropping any further. I was looking at them 6 years ago and a fairly low mileage 4.2 was £34-36k. Lovely cars, they look and sound great, but needs to be a 4.7 really and they do feel ancient inside with very patchy quality. Not so much of an issue at £30k though I suppose. I found the vantage a disappointment. To my eyes, it’s up there with the best looking cars of all time, but as Martin says, the quality is patchy and everything looks old. The drive was ok, but no more than that - it lacked the delicacy and precision of the 911. No doubt that a vantage is über cool and it feels special just being in an Aston Martin, but I test drove the vantage and went straight back to do the deal on the 911. Still, it’s probably a relatively safe place to put £30k |
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Post by Alex on May 19, 2020 11:31:30 GMT
Agree with all of that, the V8V is probably one of those 'don't meet your heroes' kind of cars. Great on paper, less so in reality and suffering from the Volvo parts bin interior which is feeling it's age. I'd be worried about big bills and poor maintenance and mechanical sympathy on the part of previous owners if buying at the bottom end of the market too. But they do still look fucking great from the outside which is what will tempt many to take a punt on one.
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Post by Martin on May 19, 2020 12:15:52 GMT
The running costs put me off. We were stretching a bit having just bought a house and moving from a 6 year old Swift Sport and the 2 year warranty plus reasonable servicing costs, meant buying a Porsche was much more sensible. It was cheaper to insure/service/replace brakes/extend the warranty than the 535d, as when a model is replaced it moves onto reduced fixed price servicing.
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Post by racingteatray on May 19, 2020 14:58:12 GMT
The biggest disappointment I've had in a car was probably driving an early supercharged DB7. It was about as sporty and rigid as an elderly bath sponge. Smelt a bit like one too.
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Post by clunes on May 19, 2020 18:11:10 GMT
My neighbour has just got into a lovely looking 4.2 Vantage as his new 'weekend' toy - it sounds and looks absolutely glorious and his certainly looks to be in great condition. I'd be as concerned as others regards the potential for issues but as car purchases go it's got to be pretty safe from depreciation, if not bills.
Martin, as you mentioned the Swift Sport - what model was that? I'm still contemplating getting rid of the 640d to free up some house funds once things settle down and given my journeys are likely to stay mostly local and on minor roads the Swift Sport has cropped up as a potential contender (alongside things like a, much, older 130i).
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Post by Martin on May 19, 2020 18:27:29 GMT
My neighbour has just got into a lovely looking 4.2 Vantage as his new 'weekend' toy - it sounds and looks absolutely glorious and his certainly looks to be in great condition. I'd be as concerned as others regards the potential for issues but as car purchases go it's got to be pretty safe from depreciation, if not bills. Martin, as you mentioned the Swift Sport - what model was that? I'm still contemplating getting rid of the 640d to free up some house funds once things settle down and given my journeys are likely to stay mostly local and on minor roads the Swift Sport has cropped up as a potential contender (alongside things like a, much, older 130i). O. It was a late 2007, so mark 2. We lived in MK at the time and it was hilarious fun. You could easily get it onto 3 wheels around roundabouts, it revved to 7,000rpm and was brilliant on a B Road. Well equipped too for a small car, climate control, cruise control etc. It wasn’t much fun on the motorway though, only 5 gears and kept light through a lack of sound insulation. I believe the mark 3 is a lot better, it has still got the NA engine but with a 6 speed gearbox. It felt like a big step up from the Daewoo Lanos, which was bought as a stop gap and stayed for 4 years (until she met me!)   |
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Post by Andy C on May 19, 2020 19:46:31 GMT
Have a look at an Up! GTi too
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Post by Martin on May 19, 2020 19:52:18 GMT
Have a look at an Up! GTi too Bit more expensive but would probably be my choice. |
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Post by Tim on May 20, 2020 9:07:26 GMT
The front cover of the latest issue of CAR magazine proclaims "The man with your dream job. Meet Porsche's design boss" and the contents page says "Coffee with Porsche's design genius Mauer".
I can only assume that all translates as 'this man's a genius, he got your dream job of being extremely well paid for doing pretty much nothing all day'.
Where is the genius in taking an existing design, adding a few industry standard tweaks - some extra (possibly fake) vents, more styling lines and stuff like a full width rear light?
That's a serious question.
I understand a lot of people like the look and they sell well (in part due to the badge and reputation) but I genuinely struggle to see anything ground breaking.
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Post by garry on May 20, 2020 9:37:47 GMT
The front cover of the latest issue of CAR magazine proclaims "The man with your dream job. Meet Porsche's design boss" and the contents page says "Coffee with Porsche's design genius Mauer". I can only assume that all translates as 'this man's a genius, he got your dream job of being extremely well paid for doing pretty much nothing all day'. Where is the genius in taking an existing design, adding a few industry standard tweaks - some extra (possibly fake) vents, more styling lines and stuff like a full width rear light? That's a serious question. I understand a lot of people like the look and they sell well (in part due to the badge and reputation) but I genuinely struggle to see anything ground breaking. I know where you are coming from. They’re certainly winning no prizes for breakthrough design innovation, but they’ve done a great job in refining the line-up to where it is today. Granted, they took some munters to market in the first place that needed improving, but the current Porsche line-up is a fantastic looking portfolio. |
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Post by Tim on May 20, 2020 10:30:23 GMT
The front cover of the latest issue of CAR magazine proclaims "The man with your dream job. Meet Porsche's design boss" and the contents page says "Coffee with Porsche's design genius Mauer". I can only assume that all translates as 'this man's a genius, he got your dream job of being extremely well paid for doing pretty much nothing all day'. Where is the genius in taking an existing design, adding a few industry standard tweaks - some extra (possibly fake) vents, more styling lines and stuff like a full width rear light? That's a serious question. I understand a lot of people like the look and they sell well (in part due to the badge and reputation) but I genuinely struggle to see anything ground breaking. I know where you are coming from. They’re certainly winning no prizes for breakthrough design innovation, but they’ve done a great job in refining the line-up to where it is today. Granted, they took some munters to market in the first place that needed improving, but the current Porsche line-up is a fantastic looking portfolio. That makes perfect sense if you 'get' the design but I clearly don't. The 911 has, to my eyes, evolved into a bloated soap bar and on the rare occasions I see a Panamera I think it looks as if it weighs about 4 tonnes. I'm not overly excited by the shape of the others really either, although the Cayman can look ok depending on spec and colour but I'd still choose a fast Datsun ahead of it. |
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Post by PetrolEd on May 20, 2020 12:17:20 GMT
The front cover of the latest issue of CAR magazine proclaims "The man with your dream job. Meet Porsche's design boss" and the contents page says "Coffee with Porsche's design genius Mauer". I can only assume that all translates as 'this man's a genius, he got your dream job of being extremely well paid for doing pretty much nothing all day'. Where is the genius in taking an existing design, adding a few industry standard tweaks - some extra (possibly fake) vents, more styling lines and stuff like a full width rear light? That's a serious question. I understand a lot of people like the look and they sell well (in part due to the badge and reputation) but I genuinely struggle to see anything ground breaking. Or the hardest job in design. You fuck up the 911 and your careers over. I love 911's and don't particularly like the 992 as its vastly changed to a 991. I never understand how the 911 gets a reputation for "just put the photocopier on 110% and thats the new 911 chat". Surely every successful car line is the same, be it VW Golf, BMW 3 series, Range Rover etc. The 911 still stands alone unfortunately. I'd love for more manufactures to compete with the car. From memory the last manufacturer that did with was Renault with the A610 . The 911s sell well because its a daily sportscar. Not flash compared to the competition and thats down to the familiarity, you can do the daily grind and then turn up at Silverstone, have a good thrash around all day and then drive home. At the weekend you can take the missus and kid out. Its just a fabulous piece of design and its embodied in motorsport domination. The Taycan is by far the best looking electric car on sale and the Panamera is again another product that no other manufacturer competes directly with (Maybe an Alpina). I don't particularly think they are designed with the UK market in mind but if you lived in Germany I can see it making a lot of sense. |
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Post by Tim on May 20, 2020 13:20:30 GMT
The front cover of the latest issue of CAR magazine proclaims "The man with your dream job. Meet Porsche's design boss" and the contents page says "Coffee with Porsche's design genius Mauer". I can only assume that all translates as 'this man's a genius, he got your dream job of being extremely well paid for doing pretty much nothing all day'. Where is the genius in taking an existing design, adding a few industry standard tweaks - some extra (possibly fake) vents, more styling lines and stuff like a full width rear light? That's a serious question. I understand a lot of people like the look and they sell well (in part due to the badge and reputation) but I genuinely struggle to see anything ground breaking. Or the hardest job in design. You fuck up the 911 and your careers over. I love 911's and don't particularly like the 992 as its vastly changed to a 991. I never understand how the 911 gets a reputation for "just put the photocopier on 110% and thats the new 911 chat". Surely every successful car line is the same, be it VW Golf, BMW 3 series, Range Rover etc. The 911 still stands alone unfortunately. I'd love for more manufactures to compete with the car. From memory the last manufacturer that did with was Renault with the A610 . The 911s sell well because its a daily sportscar. Not flash compared to the competition and thats down to the familiarity, you can do the daily grind and then turn up at Silverstone, have a good thrash around all day and then drive home. At the weekend you can take the missus and kid out. Its just a fabulous piece of design and its embodied in motorsport domination. The Taycan is by far the best looking electric car on sale and the Panamera is again another product that no other manufacturer competes directly with (Maybe an Alpina). I don't particularly think they are designed with the UK market in mind but if you lived in Germany I can see it making a lot of sense. How can you fuck up the design when it's the same as last time + a few bits? Porsche Board interviewing potential candidate: "How would you not fuck the design up?" Candidate: "Fire the current one through the photocopier, widen the doors a bit, spend 5 minutes adding a few lines with the crayons and Bob's your Uncle". Board: "When can you start?". I think the 911 has plenty of competitors, just none of them has the engine dangling out the back. Similarly the Panamera has loads of competitors - I'm sure Martin and John would consider one to replace their BMWs, then there's the AMG 4 door coupe GT thing and basically anything with 4 doors, lots of power and a premium badge. Ben Oliver in CAR prefers the interior of his Audi SQ8 to that of the Bentley GT and I'm sure that anyone in the market for a £100k 4 door will be looking at higher end SUVs as well as saloons. |
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Post by PetrolEd on May 20, 2020 16:13:59 GMT
Or the hardest job in design. You fuck up the 911 and your careers over. I love 911's and don't particularly like the 992 as its vastly changed to a 991. I never understand how the 911 gets a reputation for "just put the photocopier on 110% and thats the new 911 chat". Surely every successful car line is the same, be it VW Golf, BMW 3 series, Range Rover etc. The 911 still stands alone unfortunately. I'd love for more manufactures to compete with the car. From memory the last manufacturer that did with was Renault with the A610 . The 911s sell well because its a daily sportscar. Not flash compared to the competition and thats down to the familiarity, you can do the daily grind and then turn up at Silverstone, have a good thrash around all day and then drive home. At the weekend you can take the missus and kid out. Its just a fabulous piece of design and its embodied in motorsport domination. The Taycan is by far the best looking electric car on sale and the Panamera is again another product that no other manufacturer competes directly with (Maybe an Alpina). I don't particularly think they are designed with the UK market in mind but if you lived in Germany I can see it making a lot of sense. How can you fuck up the design when it's the same as last time + a few bits? Porsche Board interviewing potential candidate: "How would you not fuck the design up?" Candidate: "Fire the current one through the photocopier, widen the doors a bit, spend 5 minutes adding a few lines with the crayons and Bob's your Uncle". Board: "When can you start?". I think the 911 has plenty of competitors, just none of them has the engine dangling out the back. Similarly the Panamera has loads of competitors - I'm sure Martin and John would consider one to replace their BMWs, then there's the AMG 4 door coupe GT thing and basically anything with 4 doors, lots of power and a premium badge. Ben Oliver in CAR prefers the interior of his Audi SQ8 to that of the Bentley GT and I'm sure that anyone in the market for a £100k 4 door will be looking at higher end SUVs as well as saloons. Its just rather boring to suggest 911's all look the same. They all drive amazingly therefore what prices a 996 less then a 993 or a 997 or the 964 more then all of them? Looks, Even my mother can easily tell them apart You don't get he 911 so no point in trying to change your mind but I'm always amazed that people who aren't into 911's are into cars. They're just bloody awesome. Spend some time in one and you'll appreciate there is little to touch one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 16:57:34 GMT
For myself, 911's have some variation but they just look 'right' to me.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 20, 2020 22:10:58 GMT
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The 911 has an unrivalled integrity and fitness for purpose, hence no need to fix or change much at all. Just introduce a bit of updated technology now and then and, above all, don't mess with the core recipe.
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