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Post by Blarno on Mar 3, 2020 20:19:19 GMT
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Post by Ben on Mar 4, 2020 15:59:38 GMT
Talk us through the "refreshed looks", for I can't really tell...  |
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Post by Blarno on Mar 4, 2020 16:00:31 GMT
No panels are the same, but it's more noticeable when there is a current Mono next to it.
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Post by michael on Mar 4, 2020 16:04:44 GMT
Design by photocopier.
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Post by Martin on Mar 4, 2020 16:08:16 GMT
We all know a lot more has gone into it than that, but it’s a fair point (especially as blarno is usually the first to complain!) and other manufacturers get accused of it when there are much greater differences in design. I don’t think switching to a turbocharged engine is a step forward for a track car either. All good though if it sells and keeps blarno in a job! |
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Post by michael on Mar 4, 2020 16:15:33 GMT
It's disappointing, some less charitable might call it lazy design but I do they could have more it a bit more distinct from the previous version. Technology has moved on in ten years and that could have been reflected in the design. Porsche are very good at doing this by focussing on details like lighting for example - a trick Fiat have got on board with for the new 500.
The other side of the argument is that looks just don't matter as it's so unique and it's not what it's about. Bit of a shame though.
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Post by Bob Sacamano v2.0 on Mar 4, 2020 16:20:41 GMT
I still think the original looks good so I have no problem with just tweaking it and after all it's a £160k rich man's toy normal rules don't apply.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 16:23:33 GMT
Surely as a track car, what matters is under the skin - how it drives/rewards/how capable it is? I know that a portion of them will be bought as 'jewellery' so appearance matters to some degree, but I'd have thought it far less important for the likes of BAC than Porsche - a company that makes very little effort in evolving its styling as far as my eye is concerned.
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Post by michael on Mar 4, 2020 16:35:11 GMT
Surely as a track car, what matters is under the skin - how it drives/rewards/how capable it is? I know that a portion of them will be bought as 'jewellery' so appearance matters to some degree, but I'd have thought it far less important for the likes of BAC than Porsche - a company that makes very little effort in evolving its styling as far as my eye is concerned. That was the point of the second part of my post, but I think you're right that it's more an engineering exercise than a styling one. I do think it's a shame, though, as it seems an opportunity missed to create something fresh around such a bespoke concept. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 17:01:50 GMT
I wonder if, like Blarno says, seeing the two side by side would be enlightening.
It looks rather more pugnacious in profile to me, but I may be imagining things.
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Post by Blarno on Mar 4, 2020 17:19:09 GMT
The turbo engine was a necessity in order to sell in Europe. The current NA engine can't meet EU6 regs and the Ecoboost is not only more powerful straight out of the box, but meets EU6 without any modifications and allows for greater power increases if necessary.
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Post by johnc on Mar 5, 2020 12:14:17 GMT
I presume the relatively low torque for a turbo means it has virtually no lag and a smoother power delivery to prevent a wall of torque from making the handling tricky.
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Post by Blarno on Mar 5, 2020 12:18:53 GMT
I've not driven a Focus RS or an Ecoboost Mustang yet, but knowing what modern turbo engines are like, lag will be almost imperceptible. The turbo is relatively small and mounted direct to the head - no manifold - with a built in mechanical wastegate. It's completely unmodified from how Mountune supply it, indeed we can't move the turbo or any of its components or we will forgo EU6 compliance.
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